Government is only pandering to the problem. "We the People" can only
blame ourselves. I have some swampland you can build your next palatial
healthcare facility on if you vote for me. Tammany Hall makes today look like
twin lights,'still ignoring the fact that conservatives DID put forth
alternatives, I see. and MORE than tort reform. Why do you INSIST on repeating
that blatant untruth? Why?too much msnbc for you!So if
someone without insurance breaks their arm (sorry, I used "their" for
"there" in my prior comment - is my face RED!) and has no insurance but
pays for their treatment out of pocket, they are a freeloader? you
said "potential" freeloader. If every potentiality were met, we'd
be living in a very different worldThey only learned it did not work
once a dem employed it. Did you not read the article Monday in the DN saying
access to care did not increase? That was not the repubs saying that, it was
the lamestream "support BO with everything you have" media! It was
reported by the AP. So when facts bear something out with which you disagree,
the repubs are making it up? c'mon, you're better than that.
Lost in DC,They had decades to put forward alternate solutions
(including when they had control of the more than just the House). Nothing
other than tort reform.You misread me. I did not tout the
Massachusetts system. I only noted that Romney implemented an individual
mandate in response to the same issues we face. Republicans invented the
individual mandate. They only learned it did not work once a Democrat employed
it.Anyone who has no insurance and does not have about a million or
so in quick assets (quick conversion to cash – not real estate) is a
potential freeloader on the system. Try getting some forms of cancer or a
permanent heart condition and see how fast you burn through even a quarter of a
million. Self-insurance is a myth unless you are truly wealthy. Unless folks
doing this are wealthy, they are betting my money and lying to themselves about
it.I care plenty about lies and I think are lots of things this
legislation could be improved by. But we need to be realistic about where we
twin lights,I disagree,solutions have been put forward that do
NOT require and individual mandate. nancy and harry would not give them the time
of day. they concoted this monstrosity so people would recognize it as a
disaster and move to pure socialized medicine.Oh, and did you not
read the article the other day that said MA's program, the one you tout,
did NOT increase access to healthcare even though they had insurance? half the
clinics in MA are not accepting new patients, and their are socialized medicine
style waiting lists for basic treatments. Just another version on death panels.
Obamacare is trying to force that on us all. repubs learned the individual
mandate DOES NOT WORK. Why are liberals so blind to that?not
everyone who does not buy insurance "free-loads" on the system.Obamacare is now and always has been a lie. But you don't seem to care
about lies, I guess. the dn justifies the means? Isn't that the
justification the soviets used for some of their tactics in suppressing their
Lost in DC,Yes. Forcing people to be a part of the system rather
than free riding the system by going to the emergency room or relying on charity
when things go wrong. Allowing people to jump into the insurance pool at the
last minute is also a lousy model. These things force me to pony up for their
negligence.Healthcare is unlike nearly any other product. You
don’t know when you will need, how long you will need it, how much your
illness will cost, etc. We can talk about doing this at a different
level or reconstructing it bunch of ways. But the individual mandate is the
core. Mitt understood this though he instituted it at a different level.I couldn’t care less whether they call it a tax or not. I
couldn’t care less whether this is Obama or someone else heading up the
program. The system we have is broken. Don’t like this fix? No problem.
But whatever fix we get will need an individual mandate at its core.
The medical industry has a serious case of "blank check syndrome." Only
solution, tear up the blank check.
One problem with the grand plan is that many of the healthy people, mandated to
purchase health insurance to offset the medical costs of the sick, are mired in
student loan debt which Congress is raising rates on, and working two part-time
jobs, due to Obamacare the company they work for will not hire full-time
employees. And when they cannot pay for the insurance with the remains of their
two minimum wage paychecks, they'll be sent to a privatized prison system,
which has been promised a 90% occupancy rate. Problem solved.The
plan is to destroy the entire economy; It looks like they have finally found
something that they are good at.
I don't agree with this logic. I work in insurance. The majority of people
who don't have healthcare are too sick or too poor. Flooding the pool with
new insured persons isn't going to help, it's going to cause a massive
never ending drain that cannot be fulfilled. The logic is all wrong here: people
are healthy BECAUSE they have access to healthcare. It's incorrect to say
healthy members do not have insurance because they are already healthy. Further
proof: Obamacare "claims" there will be no bar on access to insurance
due to pre existing conditions. So who is going to flood the pool? Uninsured
sickos, not the healthy. Also - NY's premiums are so costly
because New York is more costly in general, therefore the health care is more
costly. Simple marketplace math, not some conspiratorial sounding
Lets see here. Media doctors Zimmerman 911 call. Bengazi was because of a video.
IRS was only low level people in Cincinatti.etc. etc. Ya i believe the media and
I especially believe the government.
the Washington compost writer say's we'd get a plan glutting the
market with the sick without healthy participants if the GOP got its way and
delayed the individual mandatejust another example of how the
lamestream media lies. If the GOP got its way, Obamacare would be repealedtwin lights,that's what we've come to - forcing people
to by something they do not want? the SCOTUS said it was legal because it was a
tax, but BO and the dems said there would be no tax increase. the cost of
Obamacare is 3 times what BO and the dems said it would be.everything about Obamacare is a lie.
You know it's a farce anytime the words government subsidy are used to
describe how inexpensive something is.
Comments about ‘New York health insurance to fall under
Obamacare?’......are you sure you didn't mean to say FAIL instead of
FALL? Obama is a complete failure and so is Obamacare!
From the article:"In other words, rates should come down because
the individual mandate will force healthy people into a market now glutted with
the sick."That is the whole point of the individual mandate.
You stop people from just signing up when they are sick and create a much
broader insurance pool.