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Published: Thursday, July 18 2013 2:25 p.m. MDT

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Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@naval

That's right, utah would not have been able to schedule independently like BYU has because utah owuld not have gotten an exclusive and personal contract with the world wide leader in sports, ESPN. Without that contract there would be no interest in utah at all.

ImaCaMan
Oceanside, CA

Re: wookie

"Utah was the third choice for pac10 expansion right after Texas and Oklahoma. Good company. "

Ha! And your source is what, Cougarboard?

LonestarRunner
Salt Lake City, UT

wwookie

In terms of the real factors that determined Utah's invitation to the PAC:

1. Television Market (big enough to enhance the PAC's new television contract)
2. Culture (not a private, religiously-based school)
3. Research University (heavy emphasis)
4. Academics (acceptable undergraduate)
5. Geographical Location (within the PAC footprint)
6. Athletics (decent)
7. Football (decent)

As evidenced by the train-wreck of a football program Colorado brought to the PAC, football was only a minor consideration. All the PAC needed was a couple of bottom-dwelling punching bags for the big boys of the conference to pad their conference win totals and allow the PAC to stage a conference championship game.

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

@Naval Vet

If Utah had ventured into independence it would have struggled to find relevant match ups that would be willing to come to Utah. They could get Pac10 schools and Boise, but that is about it. Utah isn't BYU. Utah will never be BYU. I think fans on both sides are grateful for that fact. Utah got into a conference where they want to be in. BYU went independent where they also wanted to be. Independence has been floating around campus when I was at the Y more than a decade ago.

Weber State is Utah's little brother. Utah's big brother is the one that has the big boy stadium, a winning tradition and the larger national brand.

Rock Of The Marne
Phoenix, AZ

I am glad to see the jealous ramblings of many BYU faithful continues unabated years after the Utah PAC 12; bitterness is the sincerest form of flattery. And to Steve Jarvis, you're right, Utah will never be BYU, why would they want to be. A mid major independent is something any D1 team can be (Idaho and New Mexico State chose the lowly SunBelt Conference over such a woeful state). Also, the little brother in this all is the one with the horrible record against his BCS PAC 12 big brother. Try beating us with with some consistency, or at least get the head to head record within 20 games before you pound your chest. I find it hilarious that BYU had to schedule a bye week before the Utah game in order to get more practice/to stand a chance. Speaks volumes on where things stand. Go Utes, Go Aggies.

Y's little brother
Sandy, UT

pebbles

It's even more hilarious to see our little brothers still trying to validate their fortunate invitation to the PAC. After two full seasons, it's becoming blatantly obvious that you're in over your heads; U can't even compete with the middle-of-the-PAC teams, let alone the big boys of the conference.

What really speaks volumes is the kids on the hill continuing to use your record versus BYU as your metric for success.

Being a bottom dweller in a big boy conference is something any team can be - see Northwestern, Duke, Indiana, Washington State, Colorado, Iowa State, and Vanderbilt, among many others.

Being a perennial Top 25 team is something only nationally prominent programs can be.

While Utah rides the coat tales and lives in the reflected light of programs that have actually accomplished something on a national scale, BYU basks in its own light of national accomplishments.

ekute
Layton, UT

byu's big brother is the one that beats you every year. lol.

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

@Rock of the Marine

BYU is not a mid-major program. Utah is not a powerhouse. The programs are on the same DI playing field. The difference between the two in terms of national and regional respect however is staggering. BYU has it. Utah doesn't.

Utah fans should be respectful and happy they are in the PAC12. Instead they disrespect their opponents. USC has enough billboard material from the first time the fans visited and disrespected their campus and traditions. Utah fans came in like they were something special and that they were better than the Trojans. They mocked and insulted. They took lewd photos with the Trojan man statue. Then the teams got on the field and USC won the game.

No one in the PAC12 respects Utah. No one in the PAC12 cares that Utah once beat a very good Alabama team. Outside of that one victory which BYU fans acknowledge as a great one, PAC12 fans would be hard pressed to name any other marquee victory. Utah hasn't beaten anyone. They haven't earned anything. They were only invited.

Y's little brother
Sandy, UT

ekute

"BYU's big brother is the one that beats you every year..."

29 of the last 50 years (almost 60%), that claim has been proven wrong.

As it will be on September 15th!

ekute
Layton, UT

little brother,

Calm that frantic emotion. lol.

9/15 is Sunday before the game. lol.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

"29 of the last 50 years"
Why did you stop at 50 years? Tell the whole story.

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

Y's little brother said:

"pebbles

It's even more hilarious to see our little brothers still trying to validate their fortunate invitation to the PAC. After two full seasons, it's becoming blatantly obvious that you're in over your heads; U can't even compete with the middle-of-the-PAC teams, let alone the big boys of the conference.

What really speaks volumes is the kids on the hill continuing to use your record versus BYU as your metric for success.

Being a bottom dweller in a big boy conference is something any team can be - see Northwestern, Duke, Indiana, Washington State, Colorado, Iowa State, and Vanderbilt, among many others.

Being a perennial Top 25 team is something only nationally prominent programs can be.

While Utah rides the coat tales and lives in the reflected light of programs that have actually accomplished something on a national scale, BYU basks in its own light of national accomplishments."

Oh come on. Thought this post looked familiar. Why cut & paste? Must be running out of original ideas.

jdub1942
PROVO, UT

Wow, the trolls are out in full force, but hey its the preseason and they own that yearly. Its remarkable really, BYU fans opinion of themselves is truly one of the wonders of the World.

Jake2010
bountiful, ut

Holy War Bowl...

Even Years: LES

Odd Years: RES

DATE: December 25th, 2014-2074.

Why not? We would of course need the NCAA to revoke the >/=.500 record requirement for teams if the futility of the past several seasons carries on too much longer... It wouldn't count against season games. It wouldn't count as a bowl.. It would be the same weight as a conference championship... That doesn't count against a team's schedule does it? Doesn't eliminate bowl eligibility does it? I called ya abbott and costello on Facebook yesterday and for good reason.. Chris and Tom... Talk it over and get it done!

JustTheTruthMan
bountiful, ut

With every utterance by the naive Utah fan base, fans of Notre Dame must sit there and cringe.... Either cringe or laugh their faces off at such belligerent crass naivety. It is kind of funny how anyone outside the SEC can consider themselves a 'power conference' in that they won only 4 (5-9 if USC hadn't been vacated) of the illustrious BCS championships through the years of its futile existence. Ute fans, continue to be dazed by the red colored kool aid you keep drinking and we will continue as BYU fans to be perfectly content not being in the cellar of a conference... Yes, if we are in a conference, we prefer to be up at the top no matter how big or small it is... We are not just happy to be involved with annual beat downs by overwhelmingly better programs than we our ute selves are! :) A recent forbes ranking of universities/colleges had byu at 93 and utah at 161... How on earth can rankings like that exist and a #1 in state and #4 in west exist? Something is extremely fishy with that false claim to fame.

2BCSWINS
West of I15, UT

@Killarney....."Maybe you should try finishing with a better record and higher ranking then there wouldn't be any doubt. One game doesn't prove anything."

Maybe you should try winning on the field where they actually play the games. Objective opinions by a bunch of writers and coaches that only watch their own games doesn't mean anything. Real teams win on the field where it counts and don't make excuses if they lose!

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

SoonerUte

"Why did you stop at 50 years?"

50 years is adequate enough to prove dominance in the modern era.

Cite one single accomplishment that the Utes had on a national scale before then.

ekute
Layton, UT

snack,

3 years is good.
11 years is better.
20 years is best.
98 years tells it all.

lol.

Marked it Down
Park City, UT

2b

"Objective opinions by a bunch of writers and coaches that only watch their own games doesn't mean anything."

Then why do U constantly brag every time the Utes beat a ranked opponent?
Why do U brag about beating four ranked opponents in 2008?
And, why do U brag about finishing in the top 5 in 2004 and 2008?

What makes Utah 2004 or 2008 any better than the undefeated Tulane and Marshall teams BYU played in bowl games?

If rankings are meaningless, why do U cite them?

When it comes to records and rankings, the inconsistency of the kids on the hill is laughable.

UNLV(2-10) better than Utah(9-4)
Colorado(3-10) better than Utah(8-5)

ekute
Layton, UT

I don't know about UNLV and Colorado...I just know that Utah owns byu. lol.

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