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Published: Thursday, July 18 2013 2:25 p.m. MDT

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WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

eastcoastcoug
Danbury, CT
Utah also is .200 against quality competition.

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Utah was just named one the most successful college football programs of the BCS era (Bleacher Report top 25 list.) The Utes are ranked #15.
BYU was nowhere to be found.

Surf is Up
Miami, FL

@VegasUte "Now FAX is going back FIVE decades to be able to talk smack!"

Whereas you and most utes like to pretend that significant football history started around 2004 when in fact, as we all know, significant accomplishments for U started around then.

And that is the drum you beat every time you want to argue about it.

Surf is Up
Miami, FL

@VegasUte. I just love your sign-off signature: Go Utes! Onward and Upward!!

You might as well adopt Buzz Lightyear's "Go utes! To infinity and beyond!"

As it is right now the real one you should use right now is: "Go utes!.....there's nowhere to go but up!"

Or maybe "Go utes... you've hit rock bottom. Please don't proceed to dig"

Salemite
Salem, Ut

WACPaddingOurSchedule:

Sorry to burst your PAC 12 Bubble...BYU WAS the second choice. Requiring a unanimous vote among the conference schools, two said no. And for political reasons, because BYU stands for something...and so Utah was the desperation "third".

TroyTown
Anaheim, CA

VegasUte

"BYU last 3 bowl wins: UTEP, Tulsa, SDSU
Utah last 3 bowl wins: Alabama, California, Georgia Tech"

Nice try, but I'm LOL at your usual crimson-glasses shaded view of the world.
Here's reality.

Year/Opponent/Ranking/Result of bowls during the Bronco/Kyle era

Bronco
2005 Cal(29) 28-35 lost
2006 Ore(24) 38-8 won
2007 UCLA(33) 17-16 won
2008 Ariz(24) 21-31 lost
2009 OSU(34) 44-20 won
2010 UTEP(121) 52-24 won
2011 Tulsa(34) 24-21 won
2012 SDSU(66) 23-6 won

Kyle
2005 Ga Tech(41) 38-10
2006 Tulsa(77) 25-13
2007 Navy(74) 35-32
2008 Ala(6) 31-17
2009 Cal(46) 37-27
2010 BSU(6) 3-26
2011 Ga Tech(56) 30-27
2012 no bowl

Bronco has played SIX bowl opponents with Sagarin rankings higher than 40.
Kyle has only played TWO.

Bronco has beaten FOUR bowl opponents with Sagarin rankings higher than 40.
Kyle has only beaten ONE.

TroyTown
Anaheim, CA

WACpaddled

"Utah was just named one the most successful college football programs of the BCS era..."

by an Alabama fan who decided to write an article

ParkCityAggie
Park City, Ut

byu should ask for a 2-1 from Utah? ROTFLM kidneys off. Best joke of the week. The Aggies wont even give byu a 2-1 anymore, its byu who needs the games! Nice try, enjoy playing Idaho State in November... if they'll play you!

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@pcaggie

Actually the most recent deal signed by BYU and usu is a 2 for 1 in BYU's favor. And as of this writing BYU has not agreed to ever play usu again as anything other than a 2-1 and usu admits they'll take it.

LOL!

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

ParkCityAggie

"The Aggies wont even give BYU a 2-1 anymore"

Don't be so sure.

The only possible way BYU will agree to a long-term 1-1 is as a season-ending game.

It's not a matter of disrespecting Utah State's football program, it's simply a matter of economics. Tiny Romney Stadium only seats 25,000, 40,000 fewer than LES. At an average ticket price of $50, a minimum of $2 million in gate receipts is lost every time the game is played in Logan, rather than Provo.

That doesn't even consider television rights fees, where a game in Provo is practically guaranteed to be televised on ESPN and BYU's contract with ESPN pays more than double per game what the MWC's contract with ESPN pays.

And that doesn't even consider the fact that 40,000 fewer fans are able to attend the game, when the game is played in Logan.

CO Ute
PARKER, CO

@salemite - please provide your source that BYU was the second choice of the PAC 12 and only 2 schools voted against them. I'll hold my comments until you qualify your post.

Given that the conference plays Sunday events, I have my doubts they was any realistic discussion of adding BYU to the PAC.

PAC 10.2 Doormat
Springville, UT

gored

Enjoyed your comment. I'll use this one if you don't mind.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

TroyTown
Anaheim, CA
WACpaddled

"Utah was just named one the most successful college football programs of the BCS era..."

by an Alabama fan who decided to write an article

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And the article is written by featured columnist on Bleacher Report. What is your point? Alabama was not listed #1
If you don't like it go write up your own.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

The Utes are a second tier team in a second tier conference. They couldn't shine Alabama's shoes. Good luck with the PAC Whatever. I personally think that the Utes are just plain scared of the Y.

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

Flashback
Kearns, UT said:

"The Utes are a second tier team in a second tier conference. They couldn't shine Alabama's shoes. Good luck with the PAC Whatever. I personally think that the Utes are just plain scared of the Y."

Was Utah scared of Alabama when the put a beat down on them? The Tide ended up shining the Utes shoes after that BCS game.

BYU is just a midmajor without a conference. Oh and good luck with independence or whatever.

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

@Vegas Ute

You do realize that your own schedule features both Idaho State and Colorado in 2014? There will likely be at least one more horrible PAC12 team that Utah will beat that year, perhaps two. Utah will play at least double the garbage teams that BYU will in 2014. While you like your schedule, I love BYU's.

Utah desperately needs to be in a conference in order to play topflight games. BYU does not. Being independent has allowed BYU to put together schedules all across the country and against teams that win. While an ignorant poster may not appreciate what Middle TN State or Southern Mississippi has accomplished, the panel that decides who is going to the the national championship playoffs does. If BYU wins out in 2014 they should be in the playoffs. At the very least they will be offered one of the smaller bowls like the Fiesta. BYU would only have one bad win on its schedule (UNLV) and a likely higher overall average of competition than say Utah who will have beaten at least three trash teams.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Steven S Jarvis:

"Utah desperately needs to be in a conference in order to play topflight games. BYU does not. Being independent has allowed BYU to put together schedules all across the country and against teams that win."

So you're position is that if the Utes were to have opted for independence, wouldn't have been able to fill up our schedules with Home-&-Home agreements with the worst teams in the WAC, Middle Tenn. St., So. Mississippi, or UNLV? We wouldn't have been able to schedule one-offs with teams like Michigan or Nebraska...despite having already been successful doing so while in the WAC and MWC? We wouldn't have been able to schedule 2-for-1s with Texas....despite having already been successful scheduling a Home-&-Home with them before having to drop them after TCU joined the MWC? That sounded very frantic and emotional of you.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Steven S Jarvis:

"If BYU wins out in 2014 they should be in the playoffs. At the very least they will be offered one of the smaller bowls like the Fiesta."

That's easy to say when you know you'll never have to prove it. Utah's little brother had only "won out" one time in their entire football playing history....and just barely at that. And THAT was with what would most likely prove to be an even weaker SOS than the one you'll be facing in 2014. You won't win out. And even if you do, nobody will care. That 2014 SOS is too weak.

"BYU would only have one bad win on its schedule (UNLV) and a likely higher overall average of competition than say Utah who will have beaten at least three trash teams."

As long as the Utes are in the Pac-12, and the Indy-WACers are still drifting aimlessly without an elite conference, they'll never have a stronger schedule than the Utes. Period.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Salemite:

"Utah was not the first choice, not even the second choice, but Utah was the 'need someone to make 12 - - - choice'...Once again, Utah rises with a little help from their friends in Provo."

The Indy-WACers were never a choice for the Pac-12. You frantically and emotionally made that up. Furthermore, the Utes' invitation to the Pac-10 was based on 3 metrics: Academics, Athletics, and Culture.

Academically, we are a Tier-1 Research university, and rank in the Top-100 universities in the world. The Indy-WACers are neither.

Athletically, we bring 22 national championships and 2 BCS bowl trophies to the table. The Indy-WACers bring fewer NCs, and 0 BCS bowl invitations.

Culturally, we brought the 2nd largest DMA (behind Denver/CU) to the Pac-10 that was not already a member, and we were not censored by the AAUP for violating free speech and academic freedom. The Indy-WACers are NOTORIOUS for stamping out free speech and academic freedom, and had been censored by the AAUP for nearly 2-decades.

We didn't receive any help from the Y. The Y just never measured up.

LonestarRunner
Salt Lake City, UT

Naval Vet

The Utes most impossible hurdle to overcome as an Independent would have been not having a national television contract with any major network. U would have ended up on KJZZ for all of your home games. And no, as a regional, mid-major, Independent, U wouldn't have been able to entice teams like Notre Dame, Texas, Florida St, Penn St, Miami, and USC to come to tiny RES to play on KJZZ.

wwookie
Payson, UT

Thanks for your point salemite (is that something like vegimite?)

Utah was the third choice for pac10 expansion right after Texas and Oklahoma. Good company.

But to make sure there is full disclosure, the PAC 12 invite wasn't solely based on football and athletics. Academics was also a lesser but significant piece of the decision.

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