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  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Dec. 3, 2013 6:40 a.m.

    What drivel.

    Utah fans, go enjoy your 1-7 record in the PAC-12.

    BYU has moved on. I don't waste a minute thinking about Utah. They're bottom feeders and a puff game for real PAC-12 schools. I don't care if BYU ever plays Utah again.

    BYU is a better game for real PAC-12 teams, and they're hard to beat. Utah is easy to beat.

    BYU is a national brand. Utah is a single-state brand.

    To argue that PAC-12 membership gives Utah some cachet is to argue that Big10 membership gives Iowa some cachet.

    Just ain't so. Nobody outside Utah cares. Nobody.

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    July 23, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    WACpaddled

    "Well you are in a conference of sorts in the WCC. Not at the top yet but keep wishing."

    BYU won the WCC Commissioner's Cup this year; in fact, the Cougars were the first institution since 2008 to capture Cup, and Men's and Women's All-Sports Trophies.

    On the national scale, BYU, with 505.00 points, placed 43rd in the final National Association of Collegiate Directors of Athletics (NACDA) Directors' Cup final standings. The Utes, with 261.25 points, placed 77th, barely ahead of #79 Coastal Carolina, #80 Kent State, and #81 Columbia.

    In football, BYU finished 26th and Utah 61st, in Sagarin.

    In basketball, BYU made it to the semi-finals of the NIT and was Top 100 in RPI; Utah barely finished in the Top 200 RPI.

    In volleyball, softball, and women's soccer, BYU played in the NC game and made deep runs in the NCAA tournament. And in rugby, BYU won another national championship.

    There is much more to college sports than football.

    Try to keep up.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 23, 2013 6:50 a.m.

    WAC (USU) paddled my Utes

    "The SEC is good but has a long way to go catching up to the PAC 12."

    Said the coat tailing Ute "fan" of the PAC10.2 LOL

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 22, 2013 9:09 p.m.

    JustTheTruthMan
    bountiful, ut
    With every utterance by the naive Utah fan base, fans of Notre Dame must sit there and cringe.... Either cringe or laugh their faces off at such belligerent crass naivety. It is kind of funny how anyone outside the SEC can consider themselves a 'power conference' in that they won only 4 (5-9 if USC hadn't been vacated) of the illustrious BCS championships through the years of its futile existence. Ute fans, continue to be dazed by the red colored kool aid you keep drinking and we will continue as BYU fans to be perfectly content not being in the cellar of a conference... Yes, if we are in a conference, we prefer to be up at the top no matter how big or small it is...

    ____

    ND? Every current and former MWC program is thankful not having to deal with BYU anymore on a conference basis.
    Well you are in a conference of sorts in the WCC. Not at the top yet but keep wishing. There is more to conferences than just football. The SEC is good but has a long way to go catching up to the PAC 12.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    July 22, 2013 7:12 p.m.

    A couple of fluke losses is one thing; getting SHUT OUT by 2-10 teams and then getting embarrassed at home by a 3-10 team that hadn't won a road game in four years is quite a different thing.

    Kyle has lost to as many 10-loss teams in the last 6 years as BYU has lost to in it ENTIRE HISTORY.

    Bronco NEVER lost to ANY MWC bottom dwellers - Wyoming, UNLV, Colorado State or New Mexico.

    Kyle lost to ALL of them, and he lost to the absolute worst PAC 10.2 bottom dweller in his first season.

  • Warrior Parent Belle Glade, FL
    July 22, 2013 6:41 p.m.

    Ute fans should check out Phil Steele's College Football Preview.
    Picked to go 1-9 in Pac 10.2.

    One victory over the Buffs

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    July 22, 2013 2:49 p.m.

    @Marked it down...."When it comes to records and rankings, the inconsistency of the kids on the hill is laughable.

    UNLV(2-10) better than Utah(9-4)
    Colorado(3-10) better than Utah(8-5)"

    Please list the overall head to head with UNLV, please list when the U lost to them 3 times in a row or 8 of 11, etc.?

    Yes a win head to head here and there happens with underdog's. What's laughable however is to think for even a second that happens 3 years in a row, 8 of 11 years or a landslide of an overall series.......LOL!

  • More Mature Y Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    July 22, 2013 12:37 p.m.

    After reading four pages of comments I am fully convinced that anyone canfind a statistic that will support virtually any theory. Imagine what could be done if people would put as much effort into researching things that matter as they put into trying to prove superiority in the rivalry.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 22, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    ekute

    "98 years tells it all."

    Yes, it tells us that you don't have the foggiest idea what you're talking about.

    BYU hasn't played nearly that many seasons, and Utah has played far more.

    What really tells it all:

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 17
    Utah 5

    National Championships
    BYU 1
    Utah none

    Heisman Trophies
    BYU 1
    Utah none

    National College Football Hall of Fame Players
    BYU 6
    Utah none

    National Individual Awards
    BYU 15
    Utah none

    Bowl Games
    BYU 31
    Utah 17

    btw, being invited to be a whipping boy for the big boys of a "power" conference, isn't an accomplishment, its servitude.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 22, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    I don't know about UNLV and Colorado...I just know that Utah owns byu. lol.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    July 22, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    2b

    "Objective opinions by a bunch of writers and coaches that only watch their own games doesn't mean anything."

    Then why do U constantly brag every time the Utes beat a ranked opponent?
    Why do U brag about beating four ranked opponents in 2008?
    And, why do U brag about finishing in the top 5 in 2004 and 2008?

    What makes Utah 2004 or 2008 any better than the undefeated Tulane and Marshall teams BYU played in bowl games?

    If rankings are meaningless, why do U cite them?

    When it comes to records and rankings, the inconsistency of the kids on the hill is laughable.

    UNLV(2-10) better than Utah(9-4)
    Colorado(3-10) better than Utah(8-5)

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 22, 2013 11:10 a.m.

    snack,

    3 years is good.
    11 years is better.
    20 years is best.
    98 years tells it all.

    lol.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 22, 2013 9:15 a.m.

    SoonerUte

    "Why did you stop at 50 years?"

    50 years is adequate enough to prove dominance in the modern era.

    Cite one single accomplishment that the Utes had on a national scale before then.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    July 21, 2013 8:53 a.m.

    @Killarney....."Maybe you should try finishing with a better record and higher ranking then there wouldn't be any doubt. One game doesn't prove anything."

    Maybe you should try winning on the field where they actually play the games. Objective opinions by a bunch of writers and coaches that only watch their own games doesn't mean anything. Real teams win on the field where it counts and don't make excuses if they lose!

  • JustTheTruthMan bountiful, ut
    July 21, 2013 8:10 a.m.

    With every utterance by the naive Utah fan base, fans of Notre Dame must sit there and cringe.... Either cringe or laugh their faces off at such belligerent crass naivety. It is kind of funny how anyone outside the SEC can consider themselves a 'power conference' in that they won only 4 (5-9 if USC hadn't been vacated) of the illustrious BCS championships through the years of its futile existence. Ute fans, continue to be dazed by the red colored kool aid you keep drinking and we will continue as BYU fans to be perfectly content not being in the cellar of a conference... Yes, if we are in a conference, we prefer to be up at the top no matter how big or small it is... We are not just happy to be involved with annual beat downs by overwhelmingly better programs than we our ute selves are! :) A recent forbes ranking of universities/colleges had byu at 93 and utah at 161... How on earth can rankings like that exist and a #1 in state and #4 in west exist? Something is extremely fishy with that false claim to fame.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    July 21, 2013 7:55 a.m.

    Holy War Bowl...

    Even Years: LES

    Odd Years: RES

    DATE: December 25th, 2014-2074.

    Why not? We would of course need the NCAA to revoke the >/=.500 record requirement for teams if the futility of the past several seasons carries on too much longer... It wouldn't count against season games. It wouldn't count as a bowl.. It would be the same weight as a conference championship... That doesn't count against a team's schedule does it? Doesn't eliminate bowl eligibility does it? I called ya abbott and costello on Facebook yesterday and for good reason.. Chris and Tom... Talk it over and get it done!

  • jdub1942 PROVO, UT
    July 20, 2013 9:21 p.m.

    Wow, the trolls are out in full force, but hey its the preseason and they own that yearly. Its remarkable really, BYU fans opinion of themselves is truly one of the wonders of the World.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 20, 2013 8:16 p.m.

    Y's little brother said:

    "pebbles

    It's even more hilarious to see our little brothers still trying to validate their fortunate invitation to the PAC. After two full seasons, it's becoming blatantly obvious that you're in over your heads; U can't even compete with the middle-of-the-PAC teams, let alone the big boys of the conference.

    What really speaks volumes is the kids on the hill continuing to use your record versus BYU as your metric for success.

    Being a bottom dweller in a big boy conference is something any team can be - see Northwestern, Duke, Indiana, Washington State, Colorado, Iowa State, and Vanderbilt, among many others.

    Being a perennial Top 25 team is something only nationally prominent programs can be.

    While Utah rides the coat tales and lives in the reflected light of programs that have actually accomplished something on a national scale, BYU basks in its own light of national accomplishments."

    Oh come on. Thought this post looked familiar. Why cut & paste? Must be running out of original ideas.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    July 20, 2013 7:17 p.m.

    "29 of the last 50 years"
    Why did you stop at 50 years? Tell the whole story.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 20, 2013 7:12 p.m.

    little brother,

    Calm that frantic emotion. lol.

    9/15 is Sunday before the game. lol.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    July 20, 2013 3:55 p.m.

    ekute

    "BYU's big brother is the one that beats you every year..."

    29 of the last 50 years (almost 60%), that claim has been proven wrong.

    As it will be on September 15th!

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    July 20, 2013 2:36 p.m.

    @Rock of the Marine

    BYU is not a mid-major program. Utah is not a powerhouse. The programs are on the same DI playing field. The difference between the two in terms of national and regional respect however is staggering. BYU has it. Utah doesn't.

    Utah fans should be respectful and happy they are in the PAC12. Instead they disrespect their opponents. USC has enough billboard material from the first time the fans visited and disrespected their campus and traditions. Utah fans came in like they were something special and that they were better than the Trojans. They mocked and insulted. They took lewd photos with the Trojan man statue. Then the teams got on the field and USC won the game.

    No one in the PAC12 respects Utah. No one in the PAC12 cares that Utah once beat a very good Alabama team. Outside of that one victory which BYU fans acknowledge as a great one, PAC12 fans would be hard pressed to name any other marquee victory. Utah hasn't beaten anyone. They haven't earned anything. They were only invited.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 20, 2013 2:24 p.m.

    byu's big brother is the one that beats you every year. lol.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    July 20, 2013 1:12 p.m.

    pebbles

    It's even more hilarious to see our little brothers still trying to validate their fortunate invitation to the PAC. After two full seasons, it's becoming blatantly obvious that you're in over your heads; U can't even compete with the middle-of-the-PAC teams, let alone the big boys of the conference.

    What really speaks volumes is the kids on the hill continuing to use your record versus BYU as your metric for success.

    Being a bottom dweller in a big boy conference is something any team can be - see Northwestern, Duke, Indiana, Washington State, Colorado, Iowa State, and Vanderbilt, among many others.

    Being a perennial Top 25 team is something only nationally prominent programs can be.

    While Utah rides the coat tales and lives in the reflected light of programs that have actually accomplished something on a national scale, BYU basks in its own light of national accomplishments.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    July 20, 2013 11:33 a.m.

    I am glad to see the jealous ramblings of many BYU faithful continues unabated years after the Utah PAC 12; bitterness is the sincerest form of flattery. And to Steve Jarvis, you're right, Utah will never be BYU, why would they want to be. A mid major independent is something any D1 team can be (Idaho and New Mexico State chose the lowly SunBelt Conference over such a woeful state). Also, the little brother in this all is the one with the horrible record against his BCS PAC 12 big brother. Try beating us with with some consistency, or at least get the head to head record within 20 games before you pound your chest. I find it hilarious that BYU had to schedule a bye week before the Utah game in order to get more practice/to stand a chance. Speaks volumes on where things stand. Go Utes, Go Aggies.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    July 20, 2013 11:00 a.m.

    @Naval Vet

    If Utah had ventured into independence it would have struggled to find relevant match ups that would be willing to come to Utah. They could get Pac10 schools and Boise, but that is about it. Utah isn't BYU. Utah will never be BYU. I think fans on both sides are grateful for that fact. Utah got into a conference where they want to be in. BYU went independent where they also wanted to be. Independence has been floating around campus when I was at the Y more than a decade ago.

    Weber State is Utah's little brother. Utah's big brother is the one that has the big boy stadium, a winning tradition and the larger national brand.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    July 20, 2013 10:31 a.m.

    wwookie

    In terms of the real factors that determined Utah's invitation to the PAC:

    1. Television Market (big enough to enhance the PAC's new television contract)
    2. Culture (not a private, religiously-based school)
    3. Research University (heavy emphasis)
    4. Academics (acceptable undergraduate)
    5. Geographical Location (within the PAC footprint)
    6. Athletics (decent)
    7. Football (decent)

    As evidenced by the train-wreck of a football program Colorado brought to the PAC, football was only a minor consideration. All the PAC needed was a couple of bottom-dwelling punching bags for the big boys of the conference to pad their conference win totals and allow the PAC to stage a conference championship game.

  • ImaCaMan Oceanside, CA
    July 20, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    Re: wookie

    "Utah was the third choice for pac10 expansion right after Texas and Oklahoma. Good company. "

    Ha! And your source is what, Cougarboard?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 20, 2013 10:19 a.m.

    @naval

    That's right, utah would not have been able to schedule independently like BYU has because utah owuld not have gotten an exclusive and personal contract with the world wide leader in sports, ESPN. Without that contract there would be no interest in utah at all.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    July 20, 2013 10:00 a.m.

    Thanks for your point salemite (is that something like vegimite?)

    Utah was the third choice for pac10 expansion right after Texas and Oklahoma. Good company.

    But to make sure there is full disclosure, the PAC 12 invite wasn't solely based on football and athletics. Academics was also a lesser but significant piece of the decision.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    July 20, 2013 9:58 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    The Utes most impossible hurdle to overcome as an Independent would have been not having a national television contract with any major network. U would have ended up on KJZZ for all of your home games. And no, as a regional, mid-major, Independent, U wouldn't have been able to entice teams like Notre Dame, Texas, Florida St, Penn St, Miami, and USC to come to tiny RES to play on KJZZ.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 20, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    Salemite:

    "Utah was not the first choice, not even the second choice, but Utah was the 'need someone to make 12 - - - choice'...Once again, Utah rises with a little help from their friends in Provo."

    The Indy-WACers were never a choice for the Pac-12. You frantically and emotionally made that up. Furthermore, the Utes' invitation to the Pac-10 was based on 3 metrics: Academics, Athletics, and Culture.

    Academically, we are a Tier-1 Research university, and rank in the Top-100 universities in the world. The Indy-WACers are neither.

    Athletically, we bring 22 national championships and 2 BCS bowl trophies to the table. The Indy-WACers bring fewer NCs, and 0 BCS bowl invitations.

    Culturally, we brought the 2nd largest DMA (behind Denver/CU) to the Pac-10 that was not already a member, and we were not censored by the AAUP for violating free speech and academic freedom. The Indy-WACers are NOTORIOUS for stamping out free speech and academic freedom, and had been censored by the AAUP for nearly 2-decades.

    We didn't receive any help from the Y. The Y just never measured up.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 20, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    Steven S Jarvis:

    "If BYU wins out in 2014 they should be in the playoffs. At the very least they will be offered one of the smaller bowls like the Fiesta."

    That's easy to say when you know you'll never have to prove it. Utah's little brother had only "won out" one time in their entire football playing history....and just barely at that. And THAT was with what would most likely prove to be an even weaker SOS than the one you'll be facing in 2014. You won't win out. And even if you do, nobody will care. That 2014 SOS is too weak.

    "BYU would only have one bad win on its schedule (UNLV) and a likely higher overall average of competition than say Utah who will have beaten at least three trash teams."

    As long as the Utes are in the Pac-12, and the Indy-WACers are still drifting aimlessly without an elite conference, they'll never have a stronger schedule than the Utes. Period.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 20, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    Steven S Jarvis:

    "Utah desperately needs to be in a conference in order to play topflight games. BYU does not. Being independent has allowed BYU to put together schedules all across the country and against teams that win."

    So you're position is that if the Utes were to have opted for independence, wouldn't have been able to fill up our schedules with Home-&-Home agreements with the worst teams in the WAC, Middle Tenn. St., So. Mississippi, or UNLV? We wouldn't have been able to schedule one-offs with teams like Michigan or Nebraska...despite having already been successful doing so while in the WAC and MWC? We wouldn't have been able to schedule 2-for-1s with Texas....despite having already been successful scheduling a Home-&-Home with them before having to drop them after TCU joined the MWC? That sounded very frantic and emotional of you.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    July 20, 2013 8:29 a.m.

    @Vegas Ute

    You do realize that your own schedule features both Idaho State and Colorado in 2014? There will likely be at least one more horrible PAC12 team that Utah will beat that year, perhaps two. Utah will play at least double the garbage teams that BYU will in 2014. While you like your schedule, I love BYU's.

    Utah desperately needs to be in a conference in order to play topflight games. BYU does not. Being independent has allowed BYU to put together schedules all across the country and against teams that win. While an ignorant poster may not appreciate what Middle TN State or Southern Mississippi has accomplished, the panel that decides who is going to the the national championship playoffs does. If BYU wins out in 2014 they should be in the playoffs. At the very least they will be offered one of the smaller bowls like the Fiesta. BYU would only have one bad win on its schedule (UNLV) and a likely higher overall average of competition than say Utah who will have beaten at least three trash teams.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 20, 2013 12:35 a.m.

    Flashback
    Kearns, UT said:

    "The Utes are a second tier team in a second tier conference. They couldn't shine Alabama's shoes. Good luck with the PAC Whatever. I personally think that the Utes are just plain scared of the Y."

    Was Utah scared of Alabama when the put a beat down on them? The Tide ended up shining the Utes shoes after that BCS game.

    BYU is just a midmajor without a conference. Oh and good luck with independence or whatever.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    July 19, 2013 10:45 p.m.

    The Utes are a second tier team in a second tier conference. They couldn't shine Alabama's shoes. Good luck with the PAC Whatever. I personally think that the Utes are just plain scared of the Y.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 19, 2013 10:14 p.m.

    TroyTown
    Anaheim, CA
    WACpaddled

    "Utah was just named one the most successful college football programs of the BCS era..."

    by an Alabama fan who decided to write an article

    _____

    And the article is written by featured columnist on Bleacher Report. What is your point? Alabama was not listed #1
    If you don't like it go write up your own.

  • PAC 10.2 Doormat Springville, UT
    July 19, 2013 9:20 p.m.

    gored

    Enjoyed your comment. I'll use this one if you don't mind.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    July 19, 2013 7:25 p.m.

    @salemite - please provide your source that BYU was the second choice of the PAC 12 and only 2 schools voted against them. I'll hold my comments until you qualify your post.

    Given that the conference plays Sunday events, I have my doubts they was any realistic discussion of adding BYU to the PAC.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 19, 2013 7:11 p.m.

    ParkCityAggie

    "The Aggies wont even give BYU a 2-1 anymore"

    Don't be so sure.

    The only possible way BYU will agree to a long-term 1-1 is as a season-ending game.

    It's not a matter of disrespecting Utah State's football program, it's simply a matter of economics. Tiny Romney Stadium only seats 25,000, 40,000 fewer than LES. At an average ticket price of $50, a minimum of $2 million in gate receipts is lost every time the game is played in Logan, rather than Provo.

    That doesn't even consider television rights fees, where a game in Provo is practically guaranteed to be televised on ESPN and BYU's contract with ESPN pays more than double per game what the MWC's contract with ESPN pays.

    And that doesn't even consider the fact that 40,000 fewer fans are able to attend the game, when the game is played in Logan.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 19, 2013 7:07 p.m.

    @pcaggie

    Actually the most recent deal signed by BYU and usu is a 2 for 1 in BYU's favor. And as of this writing BYU has not agreed to ever play usu again as anything other than a 2-1 and usu admits they'll take it.

    LOL!

  • ParkCityAggie Park City, Ut
    July 19, 2013 6:40 p.m.

    byu should ask for a 2-1 from Utah? ROTFLM kidneys off. Best joke of the week. The Aggies wont even give byu a 2-1 anymore, its byu who needs the games! Nice try, enjoy playing Idaho State in November... if they'll play you!

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    July 19, 2013 6:31 p.m.

    WACpaddled

    "Utah was just named one the most successful college football programs of the BCS era..."

    by an Alabama fan who decided to write an article

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    July 19, 2013 5:59 p.m.

    VegasUte

    "BYU last 3 bowl wins: UTEP, Tulsa, SDSU
    Utah last 3 bowl wins: Alabama, California, Georgia Tech"

    Nice try, but I'm LOL at your usual crimson-glasses shaded view of the world.
    Here's reality.

    Year/Opponent/Ranking/Result of bowls during the Bronco/Kyle era

    Bronco
    2005 Cal(29) 28-35 lost
    2006 Ore(24) 38-8 won
    2007 UCLA(33) 17-16 won
    2008 Ariz(24) 21-31 lost
    2009 OSU(34) 44-20 won
    2010 UTEP(121) 52-24 won
    2011 Tulsa(34) 24-21 won
    2012 SDSU(66) 23-6 won

    Kyle
    2005 Ga Tech(41) 38-10
    2006 Tulsa(77) 25-13
    2007 Navy(74) 35-32
    2008 Ala(6) 31-17
    2009 Cal(46) 37-27
    2010 BSU(6) 3-26
    2011 Ga Tech(56) 30-27
    2012 no bowl

    Bronco has played SIX bowl opponents with Sagarin rankings higher than 40.
    Kyle has only played TWO.

    Bronco has beaten FOUR bowl opponents with Sagarin rankings higher than 40.
    Kyle has only beaten ONE.

  • Salemite Salem, Ut
    July 19, 2013 4:35 p.m.

    WACPaddingOurSchedule:

    Sorry to burst your PAC 12 Bubble...BYU WAS the second choice. Requiring a unanimous vote among the conference schools, two said no. And for political reasons, because BYU stands for something...and so Utah was the desperation "third".

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    July 19, 2013 4:30 p.m.

    @VegasUte. I just love your sign-off signature: Go Utes! Onward and Upward!!

    You might as well adopt Buzz Lightyear's "Go utes! To infinity and beyond!"

    As it is right now the real one you should use right now is: "Go utes!.....there's nowhere to go but up!"

    Or maybe "Go utes... you've hit rock bottom. Please don't proceed to dig"

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    July 19, 2013 4:18 p.m.

    @VegasUte "Now FAX is going back FIVE decades to be able to talk smack!"

    Whereas you and most utes like to pretend that significant football history started around 2004 when in fact, as we all know, significant accomplishments for U started around then.

    And that is the drum you beat every time you want to argue about it.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 19, 2013 4:05 p.m.

    eastcoastcoug
    Danbury, CT
    Utah also is .200 against quality competition.

    ______

    Utah was just named one the most successful college football programs of the BCS era (Bleacher Report top 25 list.) The Utes are ranked #15.
    BYU was nowhere to be found.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 19, 2013 3:53 p.m.

    Salemite
    Salem, Ut
    Utah was not the first choice, not even the second choice, but Utah was the "need someone to make 12 - - - choice"

    Once again, Utah rises with a little help from their friends in Provo.

    ________

    BYU was not the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, six, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth.....choice. "apparently nobody needs them in any conference."

    Once again, BYU is left on the outside, eating scraps under the table thrown by other teams.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 19, 2013 3:30 p.m.

    Steven S Jarvis:

    "No matter who they schedule, 2014 is going to be the third or fourth best schedule they have had with only UNLV being a bad program."

    Maybe Bronco can put that on a T-shirt next year and byU "fans" can use that as their battle cry. It could even be a selling point for recruiting!!

    LOL

    Go Utes!!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 19, 2013 3:19 p.m.

    TroyTown:

    byU last 3 bowl wins: UTEP, Tulsa, SDSU
    Utah last 3 bowl wins: Alabama, California, Georgia Tech

    Nice try.

    "Hopefully you'll recover from your loss to BYU."

    That's what the byU "fans" say every year. Hasn't worked out too well for you lately, has it? I seem to recall byU "fans" all over Utah stories saying the same thing before Utah stomped Alabama in the Sugar Bowl!

    "was an unmotivated Alabama team"

    Tell that to Nick Saban - he most definitely does NOT agree with you.

    "team that was missing its best player."

    You mean kind of like the Utah team in 2012 that went into the Holy War missing it's starting QB, its most prolific running back in history and both starting safeties? And what was the result from that game? Another Utah victory you say? Well, based on your analogy, byU should have won that game handily. Was byU "unmotivated" too?

    Thanks for [laying. Come again!

    Go Utes!!

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    July 19, 2013 2:58 p.m.

    Utah also is .200 against quality competition.

    I'm fine with the re-schedule, but no more Sunday games (see photo with article).

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    July 19, 2013 2:30 p.m.

    gored

    Only in that jolly little world on the hill would mocking be considered flattery.

  • Smart Aleck Vancouver, WA
    July 19, 2013 2:22 p.m.

    I don't think any self-respecting BYU fan would adopt an screen name like redfeather or Swoop. I don't know any of them, but if you read the posts under those names, they come across as Utah fans with a more reasoned perspective of Utah football.

  • Barnbug1 SPANISH FORK, UT
    July 19, 2013 2:09 p.m.

    This just posted on flipper...BYU basketball has signed a 6 for 3 agreement with the Utah Runnin Utes. A Utah official stated...no way were we going to sign the 6 for 2 deal. He also stated that 2 of the 3 games might be played at Energy Solutions arena saying,nobody shows up here anyway.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    July 19, 2013 1:25 p.m.

    JCC75 SEATTLE, WA "At this point, I am fine with not even playing Utah. The hatred between the 2 schools has become ridiculous (glad I don't live in Utah)."

    Except on these posts, this is a non-issue in Salt Lake. Most fans can't find the excitement in a non-conference game at the beginning of the year. If we can't play for conference position, than it's just an instate bragging game which is too dumb to take serious.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 19, 2013 1:16 p.m.

    It's amazing how many BYU fans are interested in our Utah programs to the point where they actually pay homage to us by their very choice of pseudonyms.

    These include: MUSSing with U, Uteanymous, backpacn, redfeather, Swoop, etc.

    It's flattering to know that we are so important to you that you would choose a name associated with our school as your online aliases.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 19, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    AggiePride
    Logan, UT

    "Utah State is the reigning state champ!"

    Congratulations on ending the season the highest ranked team in the state!

    However, reigning state champ title would belong to the team who beat the other teams in state. That is no more Utah State than it is BYU or even lowly Utah for that matter.

  • Smart Aleck Vancouver, WA
    July 19, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    Go Utes . . . please . . . .just go . . . .and leave us in peace.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    July 19, 2013 1:00 p.m.

    VegasUte

    Hopefully you'll recover from your loss to BYU.

    Luckily, with Weber State and Colorado on your schedule, you have a decent chance at not finishing winless.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 19, 2013 1:00 p.m.

    AggieVoice
    Logan, UT

    "2014 BYU Schedule:

    Home- Virginia, Houston, Utah State, Nevada, Southern Miss, UNLV
    Away- UCONN, Texas, UCF, Boise, Middle Tennessee

    What games excite you on there besides Texas, Boise, and Utah State (if you even claim that)? I hear so much about how Independence is so great, but that schedule doesn't seem like much of a door buster."

    Reasonable question. Texas and Boise are both certain to be good games.

    Houston, Utah State, Nevada, Southern Miss may or may not be good games. But then again, their fans could say the same thing abut BYU, although under the Mendenhall tenure, the cougars have been pretty consistent.

    Virginia, UCONN, UCF, probably not.

    Middle Tennessee, UNLV, umm, yeah.

    Point is, Utah State may want to make sure they've come through the recent coaching change before talking too much schedule smack. You may end up being schedule smack. And you're playing in the MWC now. Not only is your own schedule iffy, your games have been vanquished to the outer-darkness of tv universe.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    July 19, 2013 12:56 p.m.

    VegasUte

    "Congratulations on beating a hapless 7-6 Oregon team in 2006!"

    LOL at your frantic and emotional spin.

    Utah fans have been beating their chests for years about that glorious string of bowl game wins over "hapless".

    The ONLY decent team that the Utes beat during their entire 9-game bowl winning streak was an unmotivated Alabama team that was missing its best player.

    Even Utah's Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh, was worse than the then 16th-ranked Oregon State team that BYU crushed in the Las Vegas Bowl. If BYU hadn't beaten the Beavers so badly, they wouldn't have dropped out of the final polls.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    July 19, 2013 12:37 p.m.

    @Vegas Ute

    Do you know of football programs outside of Utah? Boise State happens to be a top flight ranked team every year for the last decade and has had more big time wins in the last ten years than Utah has had in its entire history. The Boise vs BYU game is equally as important as the Texas game for a shot at the playoffs.

    Utah State in 2014 will have a stud senior in Chuckie Keaton. Depending on this year, he may be in the running for the Heisman. Its too bad that either USU or Boise will beat the other team. USU might be ranked.

    Middle TN ST, UCF and Southern Miss will be bowl eligible teams with 7-9 wins each. Both programs are consistent in their leagues. Nevada should also be bowl bound.

    UConn, Houston and Virgina should hover around 6 wins apiece. UNLV is not likely to put up more than 3 or 4 wins.

    BYU has one more game to schedule. No matter who they schedule, 2014 is going to be the third or fourth best schedule they have had with only UNLV being a bad program.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 19, 2013 12:37 p.m.

    Surf is Up: "Whereas BYU usually recovers and completes a more respectable season."

    Well, I hope so! With games against such power houses as Weber St, Idaho St., Hawaii and New Mexico St., I would hope that you would have a "respectable" season!! It's not going to be the case this year. Although the byU schedule is still much weaker than Utah's, you don't have the lineup of usual patsies (I mean, besides Idaho St and Mid Tn ST). Only time will tell if you can be "respectable" with a somewhat decent schedule.

    Go Utes!

  • Salemite Salem, Ut
    July 19, 2013 12:34 p.m.

    Utah was not the first choice, not even the second choice, but Utah was the "need someone to make 12 - - - choice"

    Once again, Utah rises with a little help from their friends in Provo.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 19, 2013 12:09 p.m.

    CougFaninTX
    Frisco, TX

    "PS - We beat Oregon by 30 just a few years ago. How will U do against them this year?"

    Congratulations on beating a hapless 7-6 Oregon team in 2006! Las Vegas Bowl victories are so rare for byU! Gary Crowton really had that Oregon offense humming on all four cylinders. Unlike that Chip Kelly, Crowton is an offensive genius!

    You byU "fans" sure do get a kick out of bragging about wins over extremely mediocre teams in third tier bowl games!

    But since you are going all the way back to 2006 to have bragging rights over something, why don't you scoot ahead two years to 2008. That's the year Utah went 13-0 and beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl, you know, a meaningful game. Not a hapless Alabama, mind you, a 12-2 Alabama, whose only losses that year were to NC Florida in the SEC championship game, and Utah. Who has Alabama lost to in a bowl game since that date? Hint: nobody!!

    You can have the 2006 Las Vegas Bowl, I'll take the 2009 Sugar Bowl.

    Thanks, come again!

    Go Utes! Onward and Upward!!

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    July 19, 2013 11:58 a.m.

    @Spokane Ute. I would imagine the premise for BYU fans claiming to have the better team is the fact that, a high percentage of years, in seasons where the utes win "the game", their season immediately goes belly up after that. Whereas BYU usually recovers and completes a more respectable season.

    No doubt this is because the U puts everything they have into the contest with BYU because it means just so much more to them; and they have nothing left for the rest of the season. You can point to SOS, but that is not always the case. That loss to Colorado didn't impress me much.

    I wish football shedules were like basketball and we get to play the same teams (at least some of them) twice in a season.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    July 19, 2013 11:52 a.m.

    VegasUte

    "Go Utes! Onward and Upward!!"

    13-0 #2/#4
    10-3 #18/#18
    10-3 ur/#23
    8-5 unranked/#39 in Sagarin
    5-7 unranked/#61 in Sagarin, no bowl
    3-9???

    The Utes have a very strange definition of "onward and upward".

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    July 19, 2013 11:46 a.m.

    VegasUte

    "First of all, how do you know you arent't going to play a DII school in 2014?"

    BYU hasn't played a DII school in football in DECADES!

    "Now FAX is going back FIVE decades to be able to talk smack!"

    You can go back to the beginning of time if you like; you'll still only have FIVE AP Top 25 finishes, no National Championships, no Heisman Trophy winners, no National Hall of Fame players, no National Individual Award winners, and you'll still be 21 of 50 (barely 40%), versus BYU during the last half century, with absolutely NO accomplishments of any kind on a national scale prior to then.

    Now that's what you call "SAD".

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 19, 2013 11:32 a.m.

    romeisn'tburning: Amen brother!

    JCC75: Dead on about Chris B!!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 19, 2013 11:29 a.m.

    Noodlekaboodle: "at least we are playing all division 1 teams".

    First of all, how do you know you arent't going to play a DII school in 2014? Your schedule isn't complete! Even with your 2013 "big boy" schedule, you're SOS will STILL be much lower than Utah's.

    Second of all, that's the best comeback for byU "fans"? Do you really want to compare schedules?

    Utah: @ Michigan byU: @ Mid TN St - that should tell you all you need to know about schedules! But, we'll go on:

    byU: @ UConn, @ TX, UVA, Houston, USU, @ Central Florida, UNR, @BSU, So Miss, UNLV, plus one left over for the usual Idaho/New Mexico/DII gimee.
    Utah:Fresno, @ Michigan, @ UCLA, @ Stanford, @ASU, @Colorado, USC, Oregon, AZ, Wassu.

    Your entire season rests on ONE away game at Texas. Beyond that, the only other game worth watching is at Boise. On the bright side for you, it looks like another banner year for byU home games!!

    Go Utes! Onward and Upward!!

  • Danny T Minneapolis, MN
    July 19, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    BYU vs. Utah games are the best. I hope they get back to playing them every year like the good old days. I was raised on those games

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    July 19, 2013 11:06 a.m.

    The only reason Chris B. is promising to "go away" when BYU beats Utah in September is because he would be doing a disappearing act anyway just so he wouldn't have to live with the humiliation of his not so mighty Utes losing to their big brothers.

  • romeisn'tburning layton, ut
    July 19, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    As a proud Ute fan and Utah alum, I have to say that anyone that would suggest a 2 for 1, or not playing the game is a not a real fan, or someone that doesn't understand college football and rivalries. The Utes have been 7-3 in the past decade down south, and those 3 losses have been by a combined 13 points. LES has lost it's home field advantage for the Kewgs since Saint Lavell retired. Although, I'm glad that Chris Hill sent the Y a notice that we have all the hand in the relationship nowadays. Watching the Y to scramble with their schedule, and coming up with a 1 and 1 with Middle Tennessee State gave me a chuckle. Have fun in Murpheesboro next year Y fans.

    3 in a row.
    7 of the last 10.
    Go Utes!!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 19, 2013 11:02 a.m.

    Now FAX is going back FIVE decades to be able to talk smack!

    Sad!

    Go Utes! Onward and Upward!!

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 19, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    sportyguy

    "Basically what you are saying is when Utah is good Utah wins, when the teams are both bad Utah wins, so the only time you can beat Utah is when they aren't good and BYU has their best team in a decade."

    What he's really saying is BYU is usually good and Utah is usually mediocre, so BYU rarily has an opportunity to beat a "good" Utah team, while Utah has many opportunities to beat a "good" BYU team.

  • JCC75 SEATTLE, WA
    July 19, 2013 10:43 a.m.

    At this point, I am fine with not even playing Utah. The hatred between the 2 schools has become ridiculous (glad I don't live in Utah). Oh, and Chris B goes away only when he gets a job, so he'll be around--he makes Utah fans look pretty pathetic

  • That's A Good One Salt Lake City, UT
    July 19, 2013 10:43 a.m.

    Navel
    "It appears that in your frenzied plea for validation, you misunderstood what Dr. Hill was suggesting."

    Ya, that was pretty frenzied wasn't it? You're almost (not quite but close) as funny as Chris B in your comments.

    By the way, I don't see the word "annual" anywhere in my comment. Must be part of the daily habit where Ute homers just make stuff up in a frenzied plea for validation???

  • GiuseppeG Murray, Utah
    July 19, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    IMO 2 for 1's are an admission of hubris, insecurity and cowardice all in one statement.

    It states, "I'm a big name school who has more to lose if I lose to you than you do if you lose to me. I can't afford a loss or the other big name schools might not think I belong in their league. I'm afraid I might lose to you in your stadium, so you have to assuage my fear and doubt by giving me an extra game in my stadium."

  • AggiePride Logan, UT
    July 19, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    @Cougsndawgs

    West Point , UT

    AggiePride:
    "Utah State is the reigning state champ!"

    How do you figure? BYU beat you (and it was far worse on the stat sheet). A victory over Utah doesn't make you state champs regardless how bad you want it to.

    Would the Beehive Boot be a good determining factor since we beat each other circularly? USU has won the Beehive Boot 2 out of the last 3 years.

    "Little Brother is growing up, starting to shave, and growing some muscles." - Matt Wells

  • AggiePride Logan, UT
    July 19, 2013 9:50 a.m.

    @Down Under

    Aggie Voice,
    Until today I have been a huge Aggie fan on these boards. No longer.

    GO COUGS....and beat Utah AND USU.

    I was the reason for your tipping because I brought up BYU's 2014 schedule? Sorry to state the obvious, and I am glad you want to beat us now!

    Love, little brother.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    July 19, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    @Las Vegas Ute
    I would look at my own schedule before mocking BYU, at least we are playing all division 1 teams, unlike the Utes who are playing Weber State.

  • sportyguy sandy, UT
    July 19, 2013 9:30 a.m.

    "Marked it Down
    Park City, UT

    Holmoe should offer a 2 for 1, take it or leave it.

    Frankly I don't care if we play them or not.

    It's seldom ever been a quality win for BYU."

    When you win 3 times a decade it's pretty hard to frequent quality win when you seldom win period.

    Basically what you are saying is when Utah is good Utah wins, when the teams are both bad Utah wins, so the only time you can beat Utah is when they aren't good and BYU has their best team in a decade. Got it.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 19, 2013 9:15 a.m.

    navelvet

    It's even more embarrassing to be a PACy-WACer nowadays. No Top 25 finishes. Home losses to 10-loss teams that hadn't won a road game in four years. Losing conference records. Losing, bowl-less seasons. Unable to beat a single conference foe with a winning record. Not even able to beat the only WAC team on your schedule.

    In two seasons as a PACy-WACer, Utah's average final ranking in Sagarin has been 50th.

    Meanwhile, your Independent big brothers have been ranked in the Top 25, have won two bowl games, and have averaged 30th in the final Sagarin rankings.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 19, 2013 9:05 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    BYU has won 29 of the last 50 (almost 60%) during the last half-century.

    Since BYU is a perennially ranked team (18 of the last 36 years), Utah has had multiple opportunities to achieve quality wins over BYU.

    On the other hand, since Utah is almost never ranked, only 5 AP Top 25 finishes in their entire history, BYU almost never has a chance to beat a ranked Utah team.

    During the Bronco/Kyle era, BYU has been ranked 5 times; Utah only 3.

    So yes, beating Utah is seldom a quality win BYU.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 19, 2013 8:54 a.m.

    ThomasJefferson:

    "As a BYU, Utah,and Nebraska Alum...I like to chide the Ute fans because long before my Utah days I sat in Lincoln Memorial Stadium and watched the Huskers humiliate the Utes by some obscene score like 63 to 3."

    It was 63-13; not 63-3...and those were the Aggies; not the Utes. You're no Utah alumnus.

    Look...I get it. It's been super embarrassing to be an Indy-WACer these days. You can't beat your big brother anymore, and you're all doomed to jumping on the bandwagon of other teams who CAN -- including Colorado's. Some of you had even resorted to pretending to be a Utah alumnus just to be able to show one's face around these threads. How miserable for you. How marvelous.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 19, 2013 8:09 a.m.

    Marked it Down:

    "[Utah]'s seldom ever been a quality win for BYU."

    I think what you meant to say was "it's seldom been a win for BYU." Only 3-wins in the past 11 attempts? Not good for the Indy-WACers.

    As for "quality of wins", you got a quality win back in '09 -- aka, your LAST win -- back when you eked out an O/T Home game vs. a team that finished ranked #18 in the final AP poll. Conversely, the only "quality win" we picked up from the Indy-WACers these past 11 seasons was a barely-ranked #25 Las Vegas Bowl loser back in 2008.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 19, 2013 7:46 a.m.

    That's a Good One:

    "Hill added that playing BYU in the future has 'always been our full intention'...How could that possibly be true? That flies in the face of everything that 95% of Ute homers commenting on the DesNews have claimed for a couple of years now."

    It appears that in your frenzied plea for validation, you misunderstood what Dr. Hill was suggesting. He wasn't suggesting that it had always been Utah's full intention to play this game "annually". He was just saying that the Utes intended to continue to schedule future games. Period.

    We'll also likely continue to schedule future games with Utah St. Don't be surprised to see future games with Weber St. as well. Not "annually" of course; just "in the future".

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 19, 2013 7:41 a.m.

    LCBSoCal

    BYU is 29-21 against the U over the last 50 years.

    More importantly, BYU has dominated the U where it really counts, in the national rankings.

    17 AP Top 25 finishes to only 5

    During the Bronco/Kyle era

    4 AP Top 25 finishes to only 2

    13 of the last 16 head-to-head games between BYU and Utah have been decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime. There's absolutely no reason for BYU fans to panic just because BYU has lost a few more of those close games than BYU has won during the last few years. A couple of made game-ending FG tries in the last 3 games, and BYU would be leading Utah 5-3 during the Bronco/Kyle era.

  • LCBSoCal Northridge, CA
    July 19, 2013 6:54 a.m.

    Marked it Down: Thanks for making my morning. As a fan of a program that is 7-13 against the U. over the last 20 years, you seem to have a remarkably strong self-image.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 19, 2013 6:33 a.m.

    the picture in this article says everything you need to know about bYu..."paculiar"

  • BYU Joe MISSION VIEJO, CA
    July 18, 2013 11:59 p.m.

    Please Ute fans give the 2 for 1 thing a rest. Please give the "you don't care if you play BYU" a rest. Please give the "We are in the Pac 12 and now too important for BYU" a rest.

    Here is the simple truth. Fans of both school love the game. We love the fight and we love the smack talk. The opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference and neither Y fans nor U fans are indifferent to each other.

    So lets just admit we love the game and love to "hate" each other. It good fun and life is better for the rivals.

    Ask a USC fan which game is their must win - it's Notre Dame - a non Pac 12 game.

    So go Utes have a great PAC 12 season, but stop pretending that your don't care about the real Big Game.

    BYU fans admit it as well, we love the U game and it is our Big Game. It belong in November. It good for the State and its good for fans of both schools.

    Lets just admit it and move on.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    July 18, 2013 11:07 p.m.

    “We were like, ‘Who initiates the contract?’” Holmoe recalled with a laugh. “It sounds strange, but that was it because we were always in a conference together and you don’t do contracts when you’re in a conference.”

    Duh, BYU is not in a conference. You, Tom, you initiate contracts. That IS the job.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 18, 2013 10:52 p.m.

    SoonerUte:
    "You would be opposed to BYU joining the PAC16 or Big12, because BYU would "ride coat tails". Utah and TCU are struggling to get a foothold at the higher level of play, and so would BYU struggle. Unfortunately for the Cougars, their recruiting would change very little, and they wouldn't want it to change".

    I disagree. I think BYUs recruiting would improve dramatically. There are many very good Mormon or Christian players that BYU misses out on because they go to schools in bigger conferences. I believe if BYU were in the PAC-whatever, or Big 12 they would get a much larger portion of those athletes. Also, in terms of TCU, they have a distinct recruiting advantage over Utah because they reside in the most fertile recruiting ground in the country. While Utah's recruiting has improved, there's a glass ceiling that exists because there's no niche like BYU has with Mormons/Christians, and they don't reside in Dallas/FW Texas like TCU. This is what will leave Utah being a mid to lower tier PAC school, whereas I believe TCU will be very competitive in the future in the Big 12.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 18, 2013 10:03 p.m.

    @MUSSing with U

    Unlike Kyle, who is constantly losing to conference bottom dwellers, Bronco as never lost to bottom dwelling conference teams like Wyoming, Colorado State, New Mexico, UNLV or Colorado.

    ----------

    Not true, Kyle doesn't constantly lose to bottom dwellers:

    He has lost to bottom feeders 4.76% times (5 games)
    He has beat ranked teams 5.71% times (6 games)

    The difference, he's accomplished Bronco's "Quest".

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 18, 2013 9:53 p.m.

    @WACPaddingOurSchedule - "Who says you can play anyone in Sept? If that's true why aren't you scheduling Alabama, Ohio State, Oregon....?"

    Because we're busy scheduling Texas, Nebraska, Michigan, Boise St, Notre Dame, West Virginia and USC in September instead.

    PS - We beat Oregon by 30 just a few years ago. How will U do against them this year?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 18, 2013 9:44 p.m.

    MUSSing with U
    Baltimore, MD

    Uteology

    "Now Ute classes rank in the mid-30s, which is averaging #7 in the PAC-12."

    Unfortunately, your final result aren't so impressive, #39 and #61, leaving U with an average final ranking of #50.

    Meanwhile, BYU finishing #34 and #26, giving BYU an average final ranking of #30.

    Averaging 8th place PAC 12 finishes must be so exhilarating.

    Do you get a cookie for that?

    ----------

    No, but OWING BYU will do for now until we're able to compete against PAC-12 teams.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 18, 2013 9:37 p.m.

    Snack PAC
    Olympus Cove, Utah

    Uteology

    "So? You don't get a cookie for being on TV.

    For example, even with that exposure Utah still out recruits you nationally (in particular in Texas and California)."

    Where are all of those amazing Utah recruits in this season's individual awards watch lists?

    Where were all of those amazing Utah recruits during last year's bowl season?

    It's quite obvious to any fan not living under that crimson bubble on the hill that Utah's recruiting classes have been vastly over-rated.

    -------------

    See NFL.

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    July 18, 2013 9:19 p.m.

    SoonerUte

    "You would be opposed to BYU joining the PAC16 or Big12, because BYU would "ride coat tails".

    BYU might ride the coat tails of teams like USC, Texas and Oklahoma (although BYU is 4-1 versus Texas and Oklahoma combined), but Utah would still be riding BYU's coat tales in the PAC 12. Unlike Kyle, who is constantly losing to conference bottom dwellers, Bronco as never lost to bottom dwelling conference teams like Wyoming, Colorado State, New Mexico, UNLV or Colorado.

  • Austin Coug Pflugerville, TX
    July 18, 2013 8:14 p.m.

    For Utah Fans:

    Who had the better team in 2011: 3-10 Colorado or 8-5 Utah?

    For BYU fans:

    Who had the better team in 2012: 5-7 Utah or 8-5 BYU

    Asking who had the "better" team has multiple meanings which many times fans get all mixed up and end up mindlessly arguing.

    Definition #1 - Which team won more games, beat better teams, played in a bowl game, had a winning season, etc...are just a few criteria to determine which team had an overall better season.

    Definition #2 - Which team won the head-to-head matchup.

    My point is Colorado did not have a better season than Utah in 2011. They were terrible. However, in the head-to-head, they showed they were the better team that day.

    I will quickly admit that Utah has BYU's number in football and they had the better team on the field when they played last year. Congrats. However, i will also readily admit that BYU had the better overall season in 2012. A 5-7 record for Utah with your best win being over BYU is hard to sell otherwise.

    Can't wait for the game this year.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    July 18, 2013 8:03 p.m.

    @Ute Fans

    The best feature of the 2014 schedule isn't who is on the program. For me it is the lack of one program in particular that makes that and the next year special. There is little chance for BYU to lose to a sub .500 team in 2014 without Utah on the slate.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2013 8:00 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs "This is why I don't believe independence should be the future for BYU football.
    Michigan is just another case of Utah siphoning and riding PAC coat tails while contributing very little if anything to the conference".

    Following your logic here, I presume you favor BYU going back to the MWC. It was in the MWC that BYU was able to land those home and home series. You would be opposed to BYU joining the PAC16 or Big12, because BYU would "ride coat tails". Utah and TCU are struggling to get a foothold at the higher level of play, and so would BYU struggle. Unfortunately for the Cougars, their recruiting would change very little, and they wouldn't want it to change. Those better recruits come with baggage and expectations. Handling talent isn't BYU's style. Playing at a higher level with mid-major players would lead to a bad case of "contributing nothing".

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    July 18, 2013 7:54 p.m.

    @Ute Fans

    2014 is an exciting schedule for a BYU footfall fan. I am still wondering what will be the last game not yet set up. It could be something special in a big pro stadium (teams are amping up schedules for the playoffs). It could be a bonus home game with a small school. I am hoping for a SEC team in an NFL stadium. USU, Texas and Boise State should all be really good in 2014.

    The home slate features four teams that I don't remember every playing in Utah. I enjoy the novelty of playing different programs. The only team I am not excited in seeing is the UNLV game. I just hope they will be decent that year.

    Stop hating Middle Tennesee State. They won eight games last year and were bowl eligible. They typically have a winning record. They aren't a household name, but that doesn't make it right for anti-fans to mock their program.

    The thing about scheduling, no one knows how good a program is going to be when the game actually happens.

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    July 18, 2013 7:52 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Now Ute classes rank in the mid-30s, which is averaging #7 in the PAC-12."

    Unfortunately, your final result aren't so impressive, #39 and #61, leaving U with an average final ranking of #50.

    Meanwhile, BYU finishing #34 and #26, giving BYU an average final ranking of #30.

    Averaging 8th place PAC 12 finishes must be so exhilarating.

    Do you get a cookie for that?

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    July 18, 2013 7:50 p.m.

    Allow the game to be played.

    Duckhunter and Chris B simply wouldn't have anything to do without the game. Nothing to say, nothing to do. Both secretly need each other as this game is the Bain of their existence. Their identies are wrapped around the rivalry.

    Play it for Ducky!
    Play it for Chris B!

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 18, 2013 7:36 p.m.

    “The University of Utah had a great opportunity to go to a conference. So we had to adjust to that.” This doesn't sound consistent with the cougar fans that claim independence was always a goal of the Y and something they had prepared for years in advance - does it?

    Also:

    When Dr. Hill said it has always been our intention to play BYU in the future I take him at his word! However, that does not say the intention is to play BYU every year in the future. I can only hope it is something like once every three years. This would allow the University to schedule games in areas of recruiting interest, geographical diversification, and games with out of conference high profile football programs. Listen to the all the U fans, Dr. Hill, not the media or the cougar fans. (Yes there are U fans that want the game scheduled on a yearly basis; however, I believe, the majority see the advantage to the University for diversification in scheduling. I know I do!)

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 18, 2013 7:27 p.m.

    Uteology

    "So? You don't get a cookie for being on TV.

    For example, even with that exposure Utah still out recruits you nationally (in particular in Texas and California)."

    Where are all of those amazing Utah recruits in this season's individual awards watch lists?

    Where were all of those amazing Utah recruits during last year's bowl season?

    It's quite obvious to any fan not living under that crimson bubble on the hill that Utah's recruiting classes have been vastly over-rated.

  • FatMan86 West Jordan, UT
    July 18, 2013 7:24 p.m.

    @Vegas Ute,

    Why would you just assume that I'm a Cougar fan. Is it so impossible to believe that some of us out there might actually have an interest in other teams besides Utah and BYU. It doesnt take rocket science to see that the quality of football is significantly better out of state than it is here in Utah.

    Look at my posts. I get annoyed equally by the myopic fans of either school. Neither program is in the same time zone as the truly elite teams in college football. But you sure wouldn't know that from the tone of these message boards.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2013 7:08 p.m.

    killarney says "One game doesn't prove anything."
    How about 3 games in a row?
    How about BYU has yet to beat Utah as an independent?

    (insert usual lines about "we gave the game away" here)

    (insert copy and paste selected stats which include something about 1984 here)

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 18, 2013 7:07 p.m.

    @clehman

    So unless many of the players who have been underrated really start playing out of their minds, Utah will remain in the middle of the pack. I'm a Ute fan, and I realize this.

    ------------

    In early 2000's Utah's recruiting classes were ranked around 80s-90s (see Scouts). Ever since 2003 the talent has been getting better.

    Since the PAC 12 move we have overtaken BYU as the flagship program in the State, we now get most of top in-state recruits.

    Now Ute classes rank in the mid-30s, which is averaging #7 in the PAC-12.

    In order to compete in the PAC-12 we must continue to build depth at each and every spot.

    I also think they need to go through at least a full class cycle before they can really start climbing the Pac-12 hierarchy. Our preseason hype last season was misguided, and the Utes' lack of depth was exposed. It takes time to build not only a starting lineup that can win in the Pac-12, but also the depth behind those starters. The facility upgrades are a good step in the right direction.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    July 18, 2013 6:55 p.m.

    I hadn't paid much attention to the future Y schedule until I read the post from Aggie Voice:

    Home- Virginia, Houston, Utah State, Nevada, Southern Miss, UNLV

    An honest Y fan would have to admit that isn't a very attractive slate of home games and yet some fans will continue to brag about the record at the end of the year. When the Cougs schedule a real slate of decent teams AND win 8 or more games you will have something to brag about. Until then, your comparisons are pretty hollow.

    Being part of a major conference doesn't make you a better team but it sure gives you a better schedule. Utah will have USC, Oregon and Arizona at home in 2014, all of which are better than any team on the Y's home schedule.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 18, 2013 6:50 p.m.

    @Solomon Levi

    During Independence, 26 of 26 BYU games have been nationally televised, including 18 games on NBC, ABC, ESPN, or ESPN2.

    -------------

    So? You don't get a cookie for being on TV.

    For example, even with that exposure Utah still out recruits you nationally (in particular in Texas and California).

    Go UTES!!

  • clehman Sandy, UT
    July 18, 2013 6:42 p.m.

    Something that isn't commented on enough:

    You think your team got better in the off season? You think your team made a major upgrade? You think you're on the upswing?

    Well, so do all the other teams. Every other team thinks that.

    For the Utes, if they really want to take a step forward, they should be thinking about improving faster than the other teams. How do they do that? It's a trick, isn't it? Every other team thinks this way, too.

    So unless many of the players who have been underrated really start playing out of their minds, Utah will remain in the middle of the pack. I'm a Ute fan, and I realize this.

    With someone like Urban Meyer, there was a paradigm shift. Nobody knew what hit them when the Utes played teams starting in 03 and into 04. The success from that season was successfully parlayed into the 08 season via recruiting.

    Little tweaks won't get us better this season, because everyone does that. Big risks, paradigm shifts, and unbelievable performance is the only way to a season better than 5-7 or 6-6.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 18, 2013 6:39 p.m.

    @Marked it Down

    Holmoe should offer a 2 for 1, take it or leave it.

    Frankly I don't care if we play them or not.

    It's seldom ever been a quality win for BYU.

    -------------

    True. But high quality beat downs for sure:

    Utah 52 BYU 21 ... First BCS Buster
    Utah 48 BYU 24 ... First BCS Buster II
    Utah 54 @BYU 10 ... PAC 12 Season I Sun Bowl

    Ute Nation thanks BYU for being a "speed bump" for what Utah has accomplished in the BCS era.

    P.S. Yes, I speak for ALL Ute Nation.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    July 18, 2013 6:22 p.m.

    WACpaddled

    "FYI - The PAC 12 has deals with both FOX and ESPN"

    During Independence, 26 of 26 BYU games have been nationally televised, including 18 games on NBC, ABC, ESPN, or ESPN2.

    NBC 1
    ESPN 10
    ESPN2 6
    ESPNU 3
    ABC/ESPN3 1
    FOXSports/ESPN3 1
    FOXSports/BYUtv 1
    ESPN3 1
    BYUtv 2

    Remind us how many times the Utes have appeared on ESPN during the last two years courtesy of the PAC 12's contract with ESPN.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 18, 2013 6:16 p.m.

    AggiePride:
    "Utah State is the reigning state champ!"

    How do you figure? BYU beat you (and it was far worse on the stat sheet). A victory over Utah doesn't make you state champs regardless how bad you want it to.

    To those suggesting a 2-1 for Utah...laughable. Why exactly? What benefit is that to BYU? They do 2-1s with great elite programs, not cellar dwellers that cant even offer geographical exposure to a national fanbase (the reason BYU is h-h with MTSU). If Hill was ever dumb enough to suggest this (thank goodness he isn't) he would get a resounding "No" and that would be the end of it. Btw, when BYU wasn't independent they got home and homes with the very elite in CFB, while Utah didnt. This is why I don't believe independence should be the future for BYU football. Being in a conference gives you more tv leverage. That's the only reason Michigan is coming to SLC...PAC12 TV money. Just another case of Utah siphoning and riding PAC coat tails while contributing very little if anything to the conference...the Wyoming of the PAC12.

  • STuFOO Korea, AE
    July 18, 2013 5:56 p.m.

    WACPaddingOurSchedule

    "Why do BYU fans keep brining up the ESPN deal like it guarantees them a win?"

    I don't know.

    Why do u fans think that being int he PAC 12 makes them relevant, respected, and guarantees them a win?

    "The PAC 12 has deals with both FOX and ESPN in addition to its own network."

    Yet u still won't be on TV as much as BYU.

    "And FOX has a new sports network starting in August."

    And how does that transfer to anything related to the u? Did you sign an exclusive contract with FOX?

    pure genius.

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    July 18, 2013 5:51 p.m.

    VegasUte

    Call us the next time Utah schedules any big time OOC game.

    ONE game in your 119 year history doesn't mean much.

    Teams like Texas, Miami, Florida State, Penn State, Notre Dame, and USC have been visiting LES for decades.

  • STuFOO Korea, AE
    July 18, 2013 5:50 p.m.

    Granite Flats Rules

    I teach my kids something different...

    If someone comes into their house talking smack about how their kids look, or what they wear, or who their friends are, or what they believe...

    They don't have to sit there and take it. If they think it is prudent, and it is worth fighting for, they should fight back and defend themselves.

    Just because someone is louder and more obnoxious doesn't mean they are right and if good people don't fight back, it leaves a vacuum filled only by the wrong voices.

    If we all teach our kids to walk away, no one fights the fights that need to be fought.

    It's not just these boards, it's everywhere.

  • 1978 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2013 5:44 p.m.

    @Chris B

    "Frankly I don't care if we play them or not"

    Says the person who spends more time commenting on all things BYU and the rivalry than any other person on earth.

    You really do have a great sense of humor. Keep posting that was the best laugh I have had in a while!

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    July 18, 2013 5:41 p.m.

    My vote is to never play Utes again. Too much hate! Let's go forward w/o it!

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 18, 2013 5:41 p.m.

    Pioneer
    Marriott-Slaterville, Ut
    I think BYU should ask for a 2-1.

    Larger Stadium.

    We can play anyone in Sept.

    And we have the national TV deal.

    Who wants to play on some backward Pac12 Fox1 station.

    ________

    What does a large stadium have to do with wins? BYU lost at home and on the road to teams with smaller stadiums last season.

    Who says you can play anyone in Sept? If that's true why aren't you scheduling Alabama, Ohio State, Oregon....?

    Who wants to watch BYU lose to ranked teams and more on ESPN?

    Why do BYU fans keep brining up the ESPN deal like it guarantees them a win?

    FYI - The PAC 12 has deals with both FOX and ESPN in addition to its own network. And FOX has a new sports network starting in August.

  • Hey Baby Franklin, IN
    July 18, 2013 5:36 p.m.

    Radio stations give the personalities days off and re-run "best of" shows!! Is this a re-print???

    Nuthin' new here!!!

    Yawn...zzzzzz

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 18, 2013 5:35 p.m.

    Fatboy86:

    And your team is what and what against the team that "can't win or compete on the field"?

    That's what I thought!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 18, 2013 5:33 p.m.

    Marked it Down:

    We'll leave it, thank you. When Utah can get a home and home with Michigan while byU can get a home and home with Middle Tennessee State......

    Nice try though.

    Go Crimson!!

  • STuFOO Korea, AE
    July 18, 2013 5:32 p.m.

    AggieVoice

    I am excited about all the games! I get to see every single one of them.

    Fans that get all worked up on who they play any given year aren't fans. It's crazy how some fans want to dictate what their AD or OTHER schools AD's do. It is almost as bad as bragging about your conference when your team is sub.500, bowl-less and is going to get pounded this year.

    You can't change who your team plays.

    You can't change if they have a great season before or after the season they play you.

    You can't change the record of a team you are playing in the current year.

    You can't change change what happens to a team after you play them.

    You can't even effect the outcome of the game regardless of how many times you post "mark it down."

    The only thing a fan can do is cheer their team on. Root for them to have a special year. Believe in all the hype. Go to the games and enjoy it.

    It amazes me the narcissism reflected by people claiming to be fans.

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    July 18, 2013 5:31 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "The only down side to playing BYU, is that even when you beat them; their fans still claim they have a better team."

    Maybe you should try finishing with a better record and higher ranking then there wouldn't be any doubt. One game doesn't prove anything.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 18, 2013 5:28 p.m.

    Aggie Voice:

    I guess the truth hurts some people!

    Go Utes! Go Ags!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 18, 2013 5:27 p.m.

    AggieVoice:

    "2014 BYU Schedule:

    Home- Virginia, Houston, Utah State, Nevada, Southern Miss, UNLV
    Away- UCONN, Texas, UCF, Boise, Middle Tennessee"

    So, what you're saying is the byU big boy schedule is a one year anomaly? Seriously, an away game with Middle Tennessee State? It's a good thing they left an open spot for one of the Idaho or New Mexico schools!

    Go Utes! Onward and Upward!!

  • Granite Flats Rules Sacramento, CA
    July 18, 2013 5:16 p.m.

    Chris B goes away if you stop giving him attention. You can't seem to do it, though. It's the same lesson I'm teaching my 4 year old. She seems to be grasping the concept faster than you.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2013 4:47 p.m.

    Aggie Voice,
    Until today I have been a huge Aggie fan on these boards. No longer.

    GO COUGS....and beat Utah AND USU.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    July 18, 2013 4:44 p.m.

    Holmoe should offer a 2 for 1, take it or leave it.

    Frankly I don't care if we play them or not.

    It's seldom ever been a quality win for BYU.

    The Utes are 0-2 against 10-loss teams under Kyle and consistently lose to conference bottom dwellers like Wyoming, Colorado State, Colorado, New Mexico and UNLV.

    BYU has finished with a better record and higher ranked in 5 of the 8 seasons during the Bronco/Kyle era and Utah's lucky winning streak has run its course.

    RES seats 20,000 fewer fans than LES, which equates to at least $1 million lost gate revenue every time the game is played in RES.

    2 for 1

    and they'll take it.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 18, 2013 4:40 p.m.

    The only down side to playing BYU, is that even when you beat them; their fans still claim they have a better team.

  • AggiePride Logan, UT
    July 18, 2013 4:26 p.m.

    "Either way the rivalry needs to happen if not only for the sake of families and friends in Utah. It is always fun win your team is the reigning state champ in the rivalry, gives you a year to gloat."

    Utah State is the reigning state champ!

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    July 18, 2013 4:21 p.m.

    I think we should do a 2-1 if Chris B never comments again......ever!

  • FatMan86 West Jordan, UT
    July 18, 2013 4:15 p.m.

    @Chris B,

    Just keep running that "membership is all that counts" play. I guess that's all that is left when your team can't win or compete on the field.

    It's just so sad.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    July 18, 2013 4:13 p.m.

    Nothing new here, this is not the story you are looking for. Move along.

  • Pioneer Marriott-Slaterville, Ut
    July 18, 2013 4:08 p.m.

    I think BYU should ask for a 2-1.

    Larger Stadium.

    We can play anyone in Sept.

    And we have the national TV deal.

    Who wants to play on some backward Pac12 Fox1 station.

  • AggieVoice Logan, UT
    July 18, 2013 3:51 p.m.

    This story has been covered to death! Let's hear some more chit chat about entire schedule breakdowns, not just Utah-BYU going forward, and not just "who's schedule is harder." I also want to hear what BYU fans think about their 2014 schedule.

    2014 BYU Schedule:

    Home- Virginia, Houston, Utah State, Nevada, Southern Miss, UNLV
    Away- UCONN, Texas, UCF, Boise, Middle Tennessee

    What games excite you on there besides Texas, Boise, and Utah State (if you even claim that)? I hear so much about how Independence is so great, but that schedule doesn't seem like much of a door buster.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2013 3:47 p.m.

    LOL Chris "It's not a quality win like it would have been 20 years ago"

    And yet you were probably right in the middle of the mess er muss that stormed the field 3 times last year. Am I right? Tell the truth.

    Just can't make up comedy like yours! You definitely have a knack for it.

    Keep having the 2 for 1 thing as part of your fantasy though. It's as likely to happen as most everything else you buy into.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    July 18, 2013 3:38 p.m.

    Just sign a long term deal and make it a home and home like many other rivalries do in other states who are not in the same conferences.

    For Utah fans who believe that BYU is a gimme win, it could remain on Utah's schedule like Northern Arizona, Weber State, Northern Colorado, Montana State, Colorado *accept for 2011 - Oops!

    And for BYU, you could chalk it up as a PAC-10 win, a win over a major conference. I say PAC-10 because Utah and Colorado still are not recognized by true old PAC-10 fans. But it goes down as a win over a major conference.

    Either way the rivalry needs to happen if not only for the sake of families and friends in Utah. It is always fun win your team is the reigning state champ in the rivalry, gives you a year to gloat.

  • sky2k1 Provo, UT
    July 18, 2013 3:17 p.m.

    @Chris B
    We wouldn't take that. And I'm sure you do care, that's why you're on BYU pages all the time. With the exception of your 2 blow outs, the games come down to 7 points or less most of the time. Not even close to a gimme win.

    You will take 1 for 1 because so many of you view it as a gimme and you need as many possible gimme's to try and be bowl eligible this year.

  • Buzzards LEHI, UT
    July 18, 2013 3:12 p.m.

    How did I know, just like clockwork, that the first comment would be from ChrisB, and that it would be more than a bit snarky?
    I think we all know that BYU is not going to take a 2/1. And we'll see you back here on Sept. 22nd, hopefully eating some very tasty crow.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2013 2:59 p.m.

    I think we should just tell byu and usu we'll do a 2 for 1 with each of them and swith off.

    So byu 2017, 2019, and 2021
    usu 2018, 2020, and 2022

    With 4 of the 6 games in Salt Lake.

    That is fair considering we are in the Pac 12, they are not.

    Don't like it? - Get in a power conference and show us you deserve more respect than that

  • dumprake Washington, UT
    July 18, 2013 2:57 p.m.

    "faces a new reality going forward"?? How more redundant can the headline writer get? "going forward" is the most useless, and redundant phrase ever concocted by writers. Please, leave it off, it is completely unnecessary. "A new reality" would never be spoken in the past, "new" always means future, going forward, so it is completely redundant and meaningless.

  • That's A Good One Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2013 2:54 p.m.

    Hill added that playing BYU in the future has "always been our full intention"

    How could that possibly be true? That flies in the face of everything that 95% of Ute homers commenting on the DesNews have claimed for a couple of years now.

    One would think the PAC 10+C&U would want Utah to play BYU so they could get their field storming-thrice-out of the way in supposedly meaningless games since the opportunity to storm RES in a PAC game will be extremely scarce for the foreseeable future.

  • Granite Flats Rules Sacramento, CA
    July 18, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    Really?

    I realize that it's still a month before Fall practices start, but this topic has been covered ad nauseum. There a hundreds of topics that you could address. Instead, you've been lazy and chosen to rehash this discussion.

    Not impressed.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2013 2:30 p.m.

    Hill should offer a 2 for 1, take it or leave it.

    Frankly I don't care if we play them or not.

    It's not a quality win like it would have been 20 years ago.

    They go .200 against ranked opponenets under bronco.

    We're 4-1 against them the last 5 years, its almost a gimme win.

    2 for 1

    and they'll take it