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Published: Thursday, July 18 2013 2:25 p.m. MDT

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FatMan86
West Jordan, UT

@Vegas Ute,

Why would you just assume that I'm a Cougar fan. Is it so impossible to believe that some of us out there might actually have an interest in other teams besides Utah and BYU. It doesnt take rocket science to see that the quality of football is significantly better out of state than it is here in Utah.

Look at my posts. I get annoyed equally by the myopic fans of either school. Neither program is in the same time zone as the truly elite teams in college football. But you sure wouldn't know that from the tone of these message boards.

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

Uteology

"So? You don't get a cookie for being on TV.

For example, even with that exposure Utah still out recruits you nationally (in particular in Texas and California)."

Where are all of those amazing Utah recruits in this season's individual awards watch lists?

Where were all of those amazing Utah recruits during last year's bowl season?

It's quite obvious to any fan not living under that crimson bubble on the hill that Utah's recruiting classes have been vastly over-rated.

Who am I sir?
Cottonwood Heights, UT

“The University of Utah had a great opportunity to go to a conference. So we had to adjust to that.” This doesn't sound consistent with the cougar fans that claim independence was always a goal of the Y and something they had prepared for years in advance - does it?

Also:

When Dr. Hill said it has always been our intention to play BYU in the future I take him at his word! However, that does not say the intention is to play BYU every year in the future. I can only hope it is something like once every three years. This would allow the University to schedule games in areas of recruiting interest, geographical diversification, and games with out of conference high profile football programs. Listen to the all the U fans, Dr. Hill, not the media or the cougar fans. (Yes there are U fans that want the game scheduled on a yearly basis; however, I believe, the majority see the advantage to the University for diversification in scheduling. I know I do!)

PAC12Fan
South Jordan, UT

Allow the game to be played.

Duckhunter and Chris B simply wouldn't have anything to do without the game. Nothing to say, nothing to do. Both secretly need each other as this game is the Bain of their existence. Their identies are wrapped around the rivalry.

Play it for Ducky!
Play it for Chris B!

MUSSing with U
Baltimore, MD

Uteology

"Now Ute classes rank in the mid-30s, which is averaging #7 in the PAC-12."

Unfortunately, your final result aren't so impressive, #39 and #61, leaving U with an average final ranking of #50.

Meanwhile, BYU finishing #34 and #26, giving BYU an average final ranking of #30.

Averaging 8th place PAC 12 finishes must be so exhilarating.

Do you get a cookie for that?

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

@Ute Fans

2014 is an exciting schedule for a BYU footfall fan. I am still wondering what will be the last game not yet set up. It could be something special in a big pro stadium (teams are amping up schedules for the playoffs). It could be a bonus home game with a small school. I am hoping for a SEC team in an NFL stadium. USU, Texas and Boise State should all be really good in 2014.

The home slate features four teams that I don't remember every playing in Utah. I enjoy the novelty of playing different programs. The only team I am not excited in seeing is the UNLV game. I just hope they will be decent that year.

Stop hating Middle Tennesee State. They won eight games last year and were bowl eligible. They typically have a winning record. They aren't a household name, but that doesn't make it right for anti-fans to mock their program.

The thing about scheduling, no one knows how good a program is going to be when the game actually happens.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

Cougsndawgs "This is why I don't believe independence should be the future for BYU football.
Michigan is just another case of Utah siphoning and riding PAC coat tails while contributing very little if anything to the conference".

Following your logic here, I presume you favor BYU going back to the MWC. It was in the MWC that BYU was able to land those home and home series. You would be opposed to BYU joining the PAC16 or Big12, because BYU would "ride coat tails". Utah and TCU are struggling to get a foothold at the higher level of play, and so would BYU struggle. Unfortunately for the Cougars, their recruiting would change very little, and they wouldn't want it to change. Those better recruits come with baggage and expectations. Handling talent isn't BYU's style. Playing at a higher level with mid-major players would lead to a bad case of "contributing nothing".

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

@Ute Fans

The best feature of the 2014 schedule isn't who is on the program. For me it is the lack of one program in particular that makes that and the next year special. There is little chance for BYU to lose to a sub .500 team in 2014 without Utah on the slate.

Austin Coug
Pflugerville, TX

For Utah Fans:

Who had the better team in 2011: 3-10 Colorado or 8-5 Utah?

For BYU fans:

Who had the better team in 2012: 5-7 Utah or 8-5 BYU

Asking who had the "better" team has multiple meanings which many times fans get all mixed up and end up mindlessly arguing.

Definition #1 - Which team won more games, beat better teams, played in a bowl game, had a winning season, etc...are just a few criteria to determine which team had an overall better season.

Definition #2 - Which team won the head-to-head matchup.

My point is Colorado did not have a better season than Utah in 2011. They were terrible. However, in the head-to-head, they showed they were the better team that day.

I will quickly admit that Utah has BYU's number in football and they had the better team on the field when they played last year. Congrats. However, i will also readily admit that BYU had the better overall season in 2012. A 5-7 record for Utah with your best win being over BYU is hard to sell otherwise.

Can't wait for the game this year.

MUSSing with U
Baltimore, MD

SoonerUte

"You would be opposed to BYU joining the PAC16 or Big12, because BYU would "ride coat tails".

BYU might ride the coat tails of teams like USC, Texas and Oklahoma (although BYU is 4-1 versus Texas and Oklahoma combined), but Utah would still be riding BYU's coat tales in the PAC 12. Unlike Kyle, who is constantly losing to conference bottom dwellers, Bronco as never lost to bottom dwelling conference teams like Wyoming, Colorado State, New Mexico, UNLV or Colorado.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

Uteology

"So? You don't get a cookie for being on TV.

For example, even with that exposure Utah still out recruits you nationally (in particular in Texas and California)."

Where are all of those amazing Utah recruits in this season's individual awards watch lists?

Where were all of those amazing Utah recruits during last year's bowl season?

It's quite obvious to any fan not living under that crimson bubble on the hill that Utah's recruiting classes have been vastly over-rated.

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See NFL.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

MUSSing with U
Baltimore, MD

Uteology

"Now Ute classes rank in the mid-30s, which is averaging #7 in the PAC-12."

Unfortunately, your final result aren't so impressive, #39 and #61, leaving U with an average final ranking of #50.

Meanwhile, BYU finishing #34 and #26, giving BYU an average final ranking of #30.

Averaging 8th place PAC 12 finishes must be so exhilarating.

Do you get a cookie for that?

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No, but OWING BYU will do for now until we're able to compete against PAC-12 teams.

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

@WACPaddingOurSchedule - "Who says you can play anyone in Sept? If that's true why aren't you scheduling Alabama, Ohio State, Oregon....?"

Because we're busy scheduling Texas, Nebraska, Michigan, Boise St, Notre Dame, West Virginia and USC in September instead.

PS - We beat Oregon by 30 just a few years ago. How will U do against them this year?

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@MUSSing with U

Unlike Kyle, who is constantly losing to conference bottom dwellers, Bronco as never lost to bottom dwelling conference teams like Wyoming, Colorado State, New Mexico, UNLV or Colorado.

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Not true, Kyle doesn't constantly lose to bottom dwellers:

He has lost to bottom feeders 4.76% times (5 games)
He has beat ranked teams 5.71% times (6 games)

The difference, he's accomplished Bronco's "Quest".

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

SoonerUte:
"You would be opposed to BYU joining the PAC16 or Big12, because BYU would "ride coat tails". Utah and TCU are struggling to get a foothold at the higher level of play, and so would BYU struggle. Unfortunately for the Cougars, their recruiting would change very little, and they wouldn't want it to change".

I disagree. I think BYUs recruiting would improve dramatically. There are many very good Mormon or Christian players that BYU misses out on because they go to schools in bigger conferences. I believe if BYU were in the PAC-whatever, or Big 12 they would get a much larger portion of those athletes. Also, in terms of TCU, they have a distinct recruiting advantage over Utah because they reside in the most fertile recruiting ground in the country. While Utah's recruiting has improved, there's a glass ceiling that exists because there's no niche like BYU has with Mormons/Christians, and they don't reside in Dallas/FW Texas like TCU. This is what will leave Utah being a mid to lower tier PAC school, whereas I believe TCU will be very competitive in the future in the Big 12.

Razzle2
Bluffdale, UT

“We were like, ‘Who initiates the contract?’” Holmoe recalled with a laugh. “It sounds strange, but that was it because we were always in a conference together and you don’t do contracts when you’re in a conference.”

Duh, BYU is not in a conference. You, Tom, you initiate contracts. That IS the job.

BYU Joe
MISSION VIEJO, CA

Please Ute fans give the 2 for 1 thing a rest. Please give the "you don't care if you play BYU" a rest. Please give the "We are in the Pac 12 and now too important for BYU" a rest.

Here is the simple truth. Fans of both school love the game. We love the fight and we love the smack talk. The opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference and neither Y fans nor U fans are indifferent to each other.

So lets just admit we love the game and love to "hate" each other. It good fun and life is better for the rivals.

Ask a USC fan which game is their must win - it's Notre Dame - a non Pac 12 game.

So go Utes have a great PAC 12 season, but stop pretending that your don't care about the real Big Game.

BYU fans admit it as well, we love the U game and it is our Big Game. It belong in November. It good for the State and its good for fans of both schools.

Lets just admit it and move on.

hedgehog
Ann Arbor, MI

the picture in this article says everything you need to know about bYu..."paculiar"

LCBSoCal
Northridge, CA

Marked it Down: Thanks for making my morning. As a fan of a program that is 7-13 against the U. over the last 20 years, you seem to have a remarkably strong self-image.

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

LCBSoCal

BYU is 29-21 against the U over the last 50 years.

More importantly, BYU has dominated the U where it really counts, in the national rankings.

17 AP Top 25 finishes to only 5

During the Bronco/Kyle era

4 AP Top 25 finishes to only 2

13 of the last 16 head-to-head games between BYU and Utah have been decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime. There's absolutely no reason for BYU fans to panic just because BYU has lost a few more of those close games than BYU has won during the last few years. A couple of made game-ending FG tries in the last 3 games, and BYU would be leading Utah 5-3 during the Bronco/Kyle era.

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