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Published: Thursday, July 18 2013 4:35 a.m. MDT

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Saint George, UT

No mistake about it. This is about preparing students to enter the workforce, rather than 'educating' them. Although some may view these as the same; they are not. They are inter-related, but not the same. How a state like Utah, supposedly Constitutional defenders, could not see through this ruse is a shame. How come Utah can't lead the way in showing America how to get the job done without having an unconstitutional federal warrant to compel them to do something inimical to liberty? Of course, those in power don't want to held hostage by something as old fashioned and out of date as the Constitution, which doesn't even allow the Federal Government to be involved in Education. No big deal? Well, if it is no big deal, then what's the big deal about doing it ourselves? Where are our leaders? The Department of Education should be eliminated and all the funds returned to the states. We could shine a light to the world and turn our education system into something that would have them lining up at our door to see how it should really be done.

Sandy, UT

The common core state standards are a great step forward for Utah. They are more rigorous than our previous standards and have the potential to lead to a jump in student achievement in Utah.

People are mad that they were "forced" upon us - more like we "took the bait" - Utah agreed to adopt them so they could get more points on their application for federal funds. It was a brilliant move by the Obama administration - probably the most brilliant political move in my lifetime. He was successful at getting 40+ states to agree on common standards in one fell swoop. AMAZING. And because most people in Utah can't stand Obama, it really rubs.

I am not an Obama fan, but the standards are a positive step for our students, and that must come first. The people fighting them are really trying to just express their hatred and frustration for the federal government. We shouldn't do this at the expense of our kids. The standards are an improvement in utah education.

Riverton, UT

The statements from Common Core critics quoted in this article are just mind-boggling.

"The resolution... passed by a vote of more than 60 percent of present delegates, despite receiving an unfavorable recommendation from the party's reviewing committee for being inaccurate, misleading and inflammatory."
That summarizes the critics' approach nicely.

"It’s time Utah led the way instead of following a consortium of states down the path to mediocrity."
News flash: Utah achieved mediocrity in math and English long ago.

Thank you, State School Board, for ignoring these people. If our legislators are persuaded by this rubbish, they will need to be replaced.

Kearns, UT

The fact that Gayle Ruzicka and Oak Norton both are opposing this tells me a lot about it.

Both are know-it-all zealots who think they have all the answers to our problems and believe that we should follow them down the little rabbit holes of their own making. If you don't like Common Core, fine, but letting these two voice their opinions as if they speak for the majority (or even large minority) of Utahns is no better.

And really, Cherilyn Eagar? Straight from the 10 commandments? I have a feeling if that were really the case- you'd be on board in half a second.

Heber City, UT

How does the fringe continue to merit any attention? By being "inaccurate, misleading and inflammatory." Anti-common-core activism is driven by social-media conspiracy theories in search of a conspiracy. Ruzicka's presence says all the responsible legislator or citizen needs to know about this issue.

Omaha, NE

The Standards are quite good actually. I've read them and compared them to previous standards. The implementation of them might be bad in spots. Bad teachers and Administrators will mess up any set of standards. Benchmarks don't cause bad teaching and learning. It's primarily on the student's, on the teachers, and on the administrators. I don't disagree that the process was not ideal though. But the end result is better than previous end result have been, and by quite a ways.

Having said all that, abolishing the Department of Education (@banderson) is actually a great idea. Big fat waste of federal $, one of the worst. The Department of Education (which had nothing to do with the Common Core standards) has had so little impact on helping teachers teach and on students learn (just go ask some teachers, admin, or students to name three things they've done; I don't most could name one). Get rid of it!

aunt lucy
Looneyville, UT

Any unbiased person who takes a close look at the common core standards will see that rigor and higher thinking skills have been improved upon. Higher rigor is what I want for my kids presently in the school system and for all kids. For too long, our expectations were too low. It's time our teachers taught at a higher level and expected more. It's a shame it always has to be political. I hope these protestors get ushered right out the back door. I certainly can't support them.

Orem Parent
Orem, UT

The Common Core is nothing more than a set of STANDARDS that we want our children to achieve. It isn't some communist plot to snatch your children.

Guess what? It has already been implemented last year in many schools. This is actually going to HELP our students not hurt them.

I wish this group would put their collective energy into something useful! They seem to have a lot of it and could probably achieve something worthwhile.

Tooele, UT

I've engaged a number of these people, including Ms. Eager and Oak Norton this past week on internet forums and I can attest that, as the article states, the ranting isn't about the standards themselves, but rather that they weren't personally consulted in coming up with those standards. I expect we will next see Eager run for state school board.

Tooele, UT

Re: "Any unbiased person who takes a close look at the common core standards will see that rigor and higher thinking skills have been improved upon."

Many people [me included], both biased and unbiased, have read the standards and find them to lack or water down meaningful standards regarding analytical rigor and thinking skills.

But, that's not the main reason we oppose them. The main reason is the permanent surrender of local control over schools and curricula.

Liberals seek control over what's taught our kids, particularly in their early years. It's a self-defense mechanism. If kids are taught to think and are given a politically neutral grounding in history and civics, liberalism will be extinct in a generation.

payson, UT

The problem with Common Core. It places a stranger in charge of all children. Usurps the authority of the parent. What is worse--this authority is given to a small group in Washington D.C.
This is a power Grab to have control of what is taught. It is not to increase learning but it is to control learning. Control is to be in the hands of the PARENTS. The USA Constitution says so and so does the UTAH Constitution.
That is why the con is used to say the States are leading this. That is completely false. Special interest are leading this power grab.

We should not sell the future of America--our children.

payson, UT

This is a power grab. Parents have the right to children's education. Common Core is not about education--it is about control. There are many lies to advance this agenda, one lie was to say the States proposed it. 100% not true. Anyone that looks into Common Core will find danger. Just educate yourself. If you like Common Core you are uneducated on the subject. Please educate yourself.

Heber City, UT

"Control is to be in the hands of the PARENTS." Thank goodness it is. Through our duly elected reps on the state school board and not the extremists or the few legislators that pander to them.

aunt lucy
Looneyville, UT

Re: "Please educate yourself."
Please educate yourself by listening to whom? I have tried to ignore both sides and have taken a personal look into this matter. This is what I found. The common core standards are a huge improvement over our previous standards. While I am sure they are not without possible improvement, they are more rigorous and expect more than the standards they replace.
As for the control issue, again I just get confused. It seems there are always the "doomsday sky falling" voices out there who scream loudly but offer little evidence. It appears to me that our state systems from our state board to state educational committees have all agreed to adopt the standards with only the best interest of our students in mind. No one tricked them or forced them into this decision. No control has been given up. I don't buy into this "Mind Control" nonsense. Also, if a parent wants to opt out, last I checked this fine state still allows parent choice for parents to educate their children through almost any means they choose including home schooling. Quit screaming the world is ending.

Lindon, UT

Common Core is garbage. My brother had a Jr. High math class last year that was already using Common Core and he asked me for help one day...as I looked over the material, the notes from class, and the textbook, I was amazed at how poorly the material was being taught! It was confusing and out of date. After showing him some YouTube videos it was quickly figured out.

payson, UT

Owen--Parents won't have control over education unless Common Core is stopped. You or any other person will not have any say in education anymore. That is a fact.

Mcallen, TX

This isn't about education, but, accountability and control to a central authority.

payson, UT

Aunt Lucy, You have not looked into Common Core standards. I went to a meeting with the Office of Education and right from there own mouths they said--there is no right answer anymore in math. The right answer will come from consensus. That means if 6 out of 10 people say 1+1=5 That is the answer because the majority says so. The new way to teach is that there is no right answer anymore.

My jaw dropped to the ground when I heard this.

You say parents can opt out. There is no opt out. I can tell you do not know what is really going on.

Tricked. The State was forced to adopt Common Core before the they were allowed to see the guidelines. You might call that what? Open and honest, maybe, but then you do not know what open and honest is. Money was used to get the States to sign on, or I should say the chance to get money was used to coerce States to sign on. Tricked is certainly how this power grab is taking place.

Parents will have 100% no control.

Heber City, UT

TruthOnly (sic) - As I stated, every single person in this state has a say in education, through our elected offcials. If you don't like the state school board members, remove them. Same goes for the legislature who funds them or the governor who screens the candidates. But Utah's Constitution leaves curriculum decisions in the hands of those elected officials. Just because they (and I), after hundreds of hours of research, have arrived at a different conclusion than you does not mean we're deluded. Try research from sources outside the extremist echo chamber. If you're still not satisified Utah's on the right track -- and make no mistake, we're already on this track -- then opt out. There is and opt out: home school or move to a state not committed to common core.

Kearns, UT

Sorry TruthOnly (interesting name considering what you said here), that is hyperbole and you know it.

1 + 1 will always be 2, not 5 because a group of 2nd graders took a vote and decided that it should be 5. If that is what you really believe, then you need to be sent back to school for some remediation.

What they are saying, and I've experienced this with my own children, is that there is not always just ONE right way to get to an ANSWER. There are teachers who rigidly teach particular methods to get an answer. Children who get to the right answer but use different methods than the teacher have been told that is wrong. My son was in tears when I showed him how to do a math problem, because I did it the wrong way- he was afraid his teacher would chastise him for DOING it wrong. He got the answer right but was chastised for not using her method.

There are different approaches to math problems- if the particular approach get you to the right answer, that's what is important. That is what they are talking about.

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