Published: Thursday, July 18 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
Perhaps let us make the prime topic why do so many or our youth raised in
families without a father present and who are involved with gangs end up in
trouble? Maybe we could add "is a high proportion of those sent to
prison because of a lack of a family or other support system"? If this is a
high percentage of a certain race, maybe we should work on building strong
families not protesting. I think these ideas hold true in all races.
The reason we can't have a dialog on race in this country is because we
can't have an honest dialog on the topic. For example, in 1960 there was a
higher percentage of two-parent black homes than two-parent white homes. What
happened to destroy the black family by the end of the century? There is a
political faction in this country that does not want that question answered
honestly.If a black man like Bill Cosby, with no political agenda to
grind, wants to discuss solutions to the social problems faced by blacks, it
doesn't create a dialog. It creates an outcry, a furor, a spewing forth of
hateful comments from those who cannot tolerate opinions other than their own.
How can a dialog exist in that environment.If someone observes there
are more blacks in the criminal justice system because they commit more crimes,
nobody wants to evaluate whether the evidence supports that theory. Instead,
they want to immediately crucify the messenger as racist. How can a dialog
happen in that environment?To have a dialog, you have to be willing
to listen to and consider opinions that differ from your own.
Most of the commits I have seen talk as if Zimmerman was white. One of the big
problems we have is that the news media will alter a story just to push their
agenda and generate money. The media as shown in this article indicates that
Zimmerman was white and that is not the fact. So they turn it into a race riot
that is generated by the media and then they can report on the riots that are
going on also. While all this is going on the media takes no responsibility for
any of it.
I agree that the media was a big part of the problem in having a reasonable
trial or outcome of a tragic happening. The media and a bunch of politicians,
who have an agenda and not the welfare of the people of the U.S.A. at heart, are
causing all of us grief. And it is also true that we have a significant portion
of the population not willing to consider any viewpoints but their own. It all
adds up to trouble, and we are in a mire of it.
If I ever decide to shoot an unarmed teenager, I hope I get this jury.
Trayvon was guilty of bringing skittles to a gun fight.
Why does this one case deserve discussion? Because according to the radical
leftists, anarchists, and marxists they didn't get the results they
wanted...so they claim the system is broken? So we need to change the
system...to what? One in which the black guy always wins? This is nuts! Oh, and
thanks to the leftist media and their agenda for stirring up the public on this
one case. They very wisely leave out of the news any black on white or black on
Latino crimes. And black racism is okay.@EdGrady / @Ernest T.
BassIt's the jury's fault...Really? Serious? Don't you
think it's possible that the jury had just a bit more information than you
in coming to their conclusion? Give your repetition of spoon-fed media hype a
rest. You ought to do a little more research than simply turning on MSNBC.
There is a lesson to be learned from this case. If a shady character is
following me and I am close to home, I plan to run as fast as I can for the
safety of my house, not turn and attack him. But then most of us already knew
edgrady and etbass; were both of you in the court room? did you hear every word
that was spoken, did you listen to the instructions of the judge, and did you
spend 16 hours in deliberation with those jurors? Perhaps there is more to this
than meets your eye.
All worthy topics of discussion. Now the next question is "who is in a
position to lead / moderate this discussion?"
Trial by jury has produced "unfavorable" outcomes for centuries.
Perhaps the most famous early example was the trial of British soldiers in the
Boston Massacre. The people of Boston demanded justice or even revenge, much
like with this case. The soldiers had a difficult time finding an attorney to
defend them. They ended up being represented John Adams - one who despised
British rule, would be perhaps the leading voice demanding independence, and a
much respected patriot. Adams said during the trial "Facts are
stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the
dictates of our passion they cannot alter the state of facts and
evidence."The soldiers were not convicted. People were mad.
John Adams didn't like the soldiers being in America (or what had happened
in the massacre) but he realized the rule of law should rule the land - not a
mob. He continued to be well respected and went on to serve the American cause
with passion. The founders put the same system into our constitution which had
produced "unfavorable" results in Boston.We should remember
lessons learned from our early history when thinking about the current
controversy with the Martin case.
I agree with the author: juries are essential to the justice system. Social
media and lackluster (or agenda driven) coverage of news like the Zimmerman
trial are the problems, not the jury system. The jurors heard all the
appropriate evidence, and made their decision according to the law in Florida.
No real evidence of jury nullification has surfaced, and it appears as though
the jurors wanted to reach a different verdict, but could not do so under the
law. The real issue in this case and this story isn't the
justice system, it is obviously race. A young man was killed. And that young
man was black. Was he racially profiled by Mr. Zimmerman? Maybe. Is that
illegal? No. If there were reports of burglaries by a young black man, and the
neighborhood watchman saw a young black man acting suspiciously and acted upon
it, that isn't racial profiling. And while we may never know the exact
sequence of events that led up to the gunshot, the facts and evidence presented
to the jury in this case was insufficient to satisfy the burden of proof. Fix the familial problems, then worry about race.
Ernest T. Bass: C'mon! He also jumped and beat the tar out of another
human being! There was plenty of blame to go around in this case. GZ should
have been slower to judge, and then should have waited for the police to come.
Treyvon should not have attacked GZ, punched him in the face, broken his nose
and repeatedly slammed GZ's head into the ground. I might add that what GZ
did may not have been right, but it was not illegal either. What Treyvon M did
to GZ was, however, extremely illegal (assault and battery), and triggered the
right for GZ to then defend himself. I am getting tired of each
side politicizing every event, and trying to score debate points while
conveniently leaving out exculpatory evidence and context. Hey - the
Zimmerman/Martin tragedy and trial should cause us to think deeply about a
number of issues, and to have significant dialogue on underlying causes of these
problems. To do so, however, will require everyone to be more intellectually
honest, less emotional, and to let go of biases and political talking points.
Ya know, I've heard for years that the fine residents of Utah harbored
racist sentiments, and I didn't believe it utnil I read some of the
comments posted herein.
Perhaps it would be beneficial to look into the back round of a certain young
man who has a retired judge as a father. A father with quite unique judicial
powers to be able to "doctor up and cover up" his son, George's,
criminal history. Honesty would have been beneficial.George
Zimmerman's attorneys refused to let his criminal back round be admitted
into the trial. Deceit and legal trickery abounded on the defense side in this
trial. And...... we are now hearing about conflicts and preferential treatment
occurring during deliberation of the Zimmerman trial concerning the female
jurors.Gee whiz....it would have shown nothing other than dishonesty and
deceit trickled down in the Zimmerman household. GZ definitely was not the man
his attorneys portrayed him to be.
Look People, it is what it is..Let it go and move on!
I got a notice for possible jury duty next month. Where can I get one of those
"Justice for Trayvon" T-shirts in case I get called in?
most of the posts here seem to be thoroughly-reasoned opinions that avoided
quick superficial judgments. EdGrady's attacks on the posts here as
somehow reflecting racism is ludicrous.
Why now are progressive, liberal people calling for dialog about the black
problem. Why did they not cry out after the black O J Simpson butchered two
"white" human beings. The race problem in this country is far less a
white problem than it is a black problem. Oh, and people like Ed Grady and the
Thornbirds, that think they are superior are a gigantic part of our problem. We
definitely need to return to the nation that our fore-fathers founded!
caleb: I made the same observation. I assume EdGrady's post says more about
him than it does about Utahans in general or the people who posted on this
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