Published: Wednesday, July 17 2013 3:50 p.m. MDT
75% of people with minimum wage jobs are young teens/college students who live
at home. If people are trying to raise families on minimum wage jobs, there are
better ways to address that issue. Increasing minimum wage will mainly help
kids just looking for some extra spending cash.
Agree with CP, you'd have to be pretty stupid not to understand this basic
economic concept and before the river of tears gets too wide for these poor
workers, show me who's holding a gun to these employee's heads and
forcing them to work there?
This is a stepping stone type job. I worked at KFC and put myself through a 4
year private university and earned a degree. My husband makes a six figure
income but started work at a gas station pumping gas back in the days before
self service pumps. All my 7 siblings and my husbands 7 siblings started small
like this in a job that doesn't require education or much skill. He has a
brother who is nearly 40 and mentally disabled who works a fast food job. The
reason these jobs don't pay much is because they don't require any
special skill or education. In all the fast food jobs I had they all had
opportunities to move up into management through training and education. My
husband tried to hire a computer programmer several years back for $80,000 a
year. He was also looking for a shipping clerk at a bit above minimum wage. He
had a line out the door for the shipping clerk but it took him several weeks to
get a programmer. Education and training are the key. You have to work your way
into a good job.
I am still tyring to figure out who forced these people to work at McDonalds.
Can the liberals tell us who is forcing these people who are tryng to support
families to work for minimum wage?I think the problem isn't
that McDonalds is using welfare programs to keep their wages low. If adults
were not working there, teenagers who don't need anything more than
spending money would be working there. The problem lies in the unskilled
laborers who don't have any job skills and don't seek to gain any
specialized job skills that are using the welfare system.Think back
20 years ago to the typical McDonalds worker. They were typically teenagers or
maybe unmarried college students. Now, we have mothers who figure that they can
work at McDonalds to support a family because the government will cover any
expenses they can't earn for themselves.Can the liberals
explain why this is the fault of businesses for paying minimum wage, when it is
the employees use welfare so that they don't have to develop any skills.
It is just like BY said, the ways of the world (Capitalism) tend to sink the
masses into poverty and degradation while exalting the few to unfathomable
wealth. Witness McDonalds and Walmart.
Fast Food restaurants are not career job providers. They are supposed to be low
paying... in fact, whatever the market for the area can bear. There
shouldn't even be a Minimum Wage! It is a Communist tactic to redistribute
income. It is very counter productive and should be banned throughout the entire
USA. The reason so many jobs have been driven overseas is because of stupid and
stifling government restrictions that are destroying our economy and our nation!
When are people going to wise up?!
To "Nosea" the irony of that statement is that it isn't capitalism
that does that. It is communism and socialism that sink the masses into poverty
and degradation while only a few have massive wealth.Look at the
graph in "The Haves and the Have-Nots" in the NY Times. The flatter the
line, the more equal the distribution of income. Do you notice that the
socialist leaning nations and communist nation have GREATER income inequality
than the US does with capitalism?IMO Brigham Young was warning about
the coming socialism and the destruction that it causes.
Really? You are really trying to make that point when you are dealing with a
chart with four nations, USA, China, Brazil, and India? The chart is
trying to show wealth inequality around the world third world countries compared
to first world countries. And I imagine if you break out the top twenty percent
on the USA line that line is much more uneven. If the chart is
comparing "socialist leaning" countries vs capitalist where is Canada or
Germany or Holland, or any other first world country with "socialist
leanings"? But of course, even the USA leans socialist, or actually tilts
heavily socialist, So each of the four countries on the chart has
A point often over looked is that if we really think that by forcing Walmart to
pay their employees more that they wont charge more for their products, then
after while, the Walmart employees, wont be able to shop at Walmart. Likewise,
forcing McDonald's to pay more will cause the same escalation. There is a
simple solution here, like in China, we take public ownership of every industry
where there is a pay disparity or where any cost due to Labor impacts a core
commodity. On one hand we want a hands off government, while simultaneously
wanting the government to protect us. Unless the Government wears blue tights
and a red cape and will save us for free, there is no simple solution!
Oh, something else about that chart, it determines income using all income,
including government income. In other words if someone gets a housing subsidy
that is included. Therefore a reason the USA line would be flatter is because of
the socialist programs in this country, the redistribution programs.
A great realistic article that works. I am presently out of the job market
because of age an health but live on a budget of $2000.00 a month.All of my life
except when self-employed I had a 2nd job. I never took food stamps, ADC,
Medicaid, WIC or any of the state or federal welfare programs. In my old age I
have taken some medical help from the Veterans Clinic earned by my service
during the Korean Conflict.We need to learn the lesson of what is needs
and wants.I presently have an employment application with Costco and a few
other stores who can use awheel-chair greeter or other work that can be
done setting down. Twelve or fifteen hrs. a week job at minimum wage would help
with some of my wants.I feel very blessed to have live in this great
country where opportunities abound for those who will work for it.
Redshirt1701:BY was referring to his mission to England in 1840, and
the appalling conditions that existed well into the Industrial Revolution there
(Capitalist taking it all and labor very much in distress). That, if anything,
was the birth of Capitalism, not Socialism. Just read some of the letters BY
sent to JS in Nauvoo to see how disgusted BY was with the Capitalism of the
Why don't they stop making excuses and start paying a wage that at least
raises their people to the poverty line? Remember, folks, the minimum wage is
not worth what it was 30-50 years ago.
To "mark" yes, really. I found a graph of income inequality, and yes,
Germany showed a steeper slope on its distribution. The steeper the slope, the
more inequal the distribution. So yes, Germany has greater income inequality.
The same can be said about Spain.The US is tilting more socialist
every year. Most people don't recognize it because it is being done
through fascism.To "Nosea" please provide the source for
that quote. I cannot find in anywhere. The only things I could find were
quotes about greed.
Redshirt:Since I sense that you are more interested in arguing your
preconceived notions instead of ascertaining truth, I will not bother looking up
all the sources I use -- the quote itself comes from JD, if you really want to
find it. I will just say further, that BY was 100% behind getting all he could
over from England, hence the Perpetual Emigration Fund he initiated, so they
could live the United Order, the opposite of Capitalism.You are
wrong on inequality ranks among nations, as the US ranks higher than any
industrialized nation for inequality, and well above Germany for instance, as
shown by CIA stats (per Gini Coefficient, the standard measure of inequality --
not some abstract slope): https://www.cia.gov/I will say the US has
high wealth inequality because the Capitalists (via Capitalism) take it all
(CEOs with $15 million per annum) while labor suffers with next to nothing, just
like industrial revolutionary Europe (Charles Dickens describes the same gap in
his writings of the era). Any socialism there is only serves to mitigate the
devastation the unfettered greed of the 1% would cause otherwise, left
Perhaps Nosea had something like this in mind - this is only a very short
excerpt:"As we pass around among the country cottages & see
the stone walls which are thrown down but more commonly the hedges in a decaying
& mutilated state it is very naturally for us to inquire what have you here?
& what the cause of this destruction? & we generally get but one answer,
'a few years ago I had a flourishing garden on the spot you now see &
it was surrounded with this hedge which was planted by my own hand; I had a cow
of my own which fed on yonder common - I labored on my masters farm, & had
plenty of time, morning and evenings, to till my garden, in which I raised
scarce enough for my family, & every year I had a good pig, plenty to eat,
& we were happy, but our Lords & masters have become more avaricious,
& are trying to get all they can themselves, & will hardly let the poor
live.'"The source, which can be found on the BYU website,
is Eugene England, "A Modern Acts of the Apostles, 1840: Mormon Literature
in the Making," p. 13.
If McDonals paid better, the prices would increase. People would be griping that
the food was expensive. Higher prices could put McD out of business. They have
to compete like everybody else. Not mentioned is that most McD's are not
owned by the Corporation but by individual franchise owners. They have every
right to choose how much to pay employees. You are talking about thousands of
small businesses around the country. Those minimum wage jobs are not intended to
be career positions. Most fast food places are good at promoting from within. I
worked at fast food and was given a raise after 3 weeks. I was offered the
option to enter management training with another raise in pay. So, if I had
wanted to stay, by now I could have been making a very nice salary. Employees
start at minimum wage, but if they show leadership and motivation, the prospects
for the future can be there. If you want to get paid to do as little as
possible, then minimum wage is just the right place for you.
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