Published: Wednesday, July 17 2013 3:50 p.m. MDT
You mean to tell me that a job where high school aged kids (with absolutely no
marketable skills) more than qualify isn't going to make me rich?
Seriously. McDonald's has never been a living wage for families. Why is the
DN feigning surprise here. More trying to vilify the wealthy?
Oh great! We subsidize McD's wages with our tax dollars. I'm just glad I can't eat their food anymore or I would have to
boycott them. This is becoming the budgeting move of choice for so many
businesses. Top people get millions and the workers are forced to ask for help
and are subsidized by us the American tax payer. Then the GOP calls
them “Takers How far do the American workers have to fall
before politicians remember how America got rich and strong. It wasn't by
the big guys getting millions or politicians who leave early on Thursdays and
don't work on Fridays at all, or the people who actually do the work having
to live on food stamps.
If you step back and take a deep breath you will see that this is a Progressive
straw man argument. The remedy is to pay everyone a living wage. Except for the
talking heads at these think tanks, everyone else should make the same money.
If the McDonalds CEO is limited to...say $50K a year...then the rest of his
package goes to all the frycooks, distributed evenly, of course.No fair
rewarding the better workers; it's all about equal pay.And the
government either makes sure that happens OR takes over the industry
altogether.That's the Progressive solution. It's the Occupy
solution.Now, we are not a free market; we are already a hybrid. And
Obamacare is another big step towards the Occupy utopia.But in order to do
what these critics are suggesting we must undo the very economic model America
was built upon.
I would bet that most of the people complaining about the wages at McDonalds
probably own stock in the company or will be eating lunch during the week at
McDonalds because it is cheap and convenient. You can't have cheap food on
expensive wages. I know it seems cold to say. If the people who
work at these types of places don't like it, change your work skills. I
don't always like my job and sometimes I feel like they take advantage of
me. I have choices, change jobs or accept it. Life s rough accept it make the
best of it and keep going forward.
I don't understand the mentality that says, "Some people don't
deserve a living wage." Is that what Jesus would say? He did say, "Treat
others the same way you want them to treat you." Would you like to be paid
the bare minimum your employer can get away with? Is that how you would like
others to treat you? Instead of earning a modest profit, and paying his
employees well, is it more in the spirit of Jesus's words for an employer
to maximize profits, and pay his employees poorly, or even fire them all
together for the sake of the biggest possible bottom line? Is that how the
employer would like to be treated if he was in the employee's place?If a restaurant owner can only make $45,000 dollars a year, he has no
incentive to open a restaurant? What incentive to work, then, does an employee
have, who makes a mere $10,000 or $12,000 a year? Hunger?Do you ever
stop to consider that people in minimum wage jobs are doing the best they can?
And yet they still don't deserve to earn enough to live?
It seems that the Deseret News isn't as much about news as it is about
shaping public opinion.I miss the old Deseret News.
Sadly Aggielove, the GOP has made even that option unattainable. It took my
daughter over 20 years to pay back her loans. She came out of college in the
depth of the layoff feeding frenzy and it then took 25 years for her to find a
job that used her business skills, and she has a Masters in International
business and speaks several languages. They found less qualified people who
would have cost them less.
Add another business subsidy to the budget ax.
I have to chuckle over this one. Times do change, cost of living really has
risen. My first job at the age of 16 working in at a Soda Founting was .25,
that is right it took me 4 hours to make 1.00. Years later I had what was
considered a "good Job" as a Secretary making 50.00 a week, helping
support 4 children. i realize that cost of livinig has made a terrible jump
since world warII, but I still live in a very nice 4 Bedroom Home, we drive two
cars, own a travel trailer, and have no debt. Guess some of us were just able
to manage what we had back in those days. Wish my Grandkids could have the same
blessings of living within their means. When I see families that are 0n
welfare, with each member having a Lap computer, I can't help but wonder
what has happened to our value system
I think with all the money the top executives pocket each year, they certainly
can and should afford a better paid wage to all employees. The service at
McDonald's is terrible and the employees are always grumpy. I saw an
employee almost stab somebody with a concealed blade right by my hotel in
Chicago.They should invest in better people, and pay them for it.
James D, Morrison, has it occurred to you that people with kids lose their jobs,
have a family illness or disability or death, or get divorced? Has it occurred
to you that in many towns Walmart or McDonalds may be the only viable option due
to there not being other work or inability to get to other work? Has it
occurred to you that such people may have to stay in such a town due to a house
that won't sell or kids in high school, or the need to have family support?
Has it occurred to you that women who have spent most of their lives putting
their children's and husband's needs first may not have the skills
(even if they have gone to college)to find other work when a emergency turns
their life upside down?Low paying employers not only cost the government money,
they make their money off the backs of the sick, uneducated, the widows, orphans
and others down on their luck. Those people work-the stockholders sit and watch
their money grow.
@Kramer: "Seems like those that work at McDonald's made that choice and
are happy to have a job."It must be wonderful to live in a place
where there are more jobs than workers and where everyone has the job he chose
out of many available. For the rest of us, the job we have is often the only
one we could find in an oversaturated and competitive market, competing against
dozens of other similarly overqualified applicants who simply need to pay the
bills and put food on the table. Companies like McDonalds might effectively be
arguing that their jobs are just for teenagers and losers, but they're
ignoring the reality that when there are more workers than jobs, a lot of people
end up with jobs far below their training and abilities, and they struggle to
survive on the pittance paid to them. And those who've lost their jobs and
have to latch on to one of these jobs to feed a family don't have the
option of deleting the family and starting over. They end up with two or three
jobs to pay the bills.
@Albert Masler"that cumulatively would add two million good-paying,
tax-paying jobs,"That is incredibly false. At the most it would
make around 10,000 jobs and a lot of them would be temporary in the form of
building the pipeline.
Put another way, McDonalds isn't so much being subsidized by the rest of us
paying for the government benefits its low-wage employees use. Rather,
*because* of what money a McDonalds worker *does* earn, he needs that much less
in public benefits.The pay isn't great, but it's better
than nothing. And "nothing" is the real alternative here. McDonalds pays enough to attract enough workers to enable it to make money.
When the marginal cost of hiring another worker exceeds the marginal revenue
that can be generated with the help of that worker, McDonalds stops hiring.
This is Econ 110. If the pay were higher, it would not make sense for McDonalds
to hire as many people.Every $1,000 earned by a McDonalds worker is
$1,000 that the public sector isn't pressured to spend on welfare benefits.
So here's the formula. Company pays employees low wages, so low that they
qualify for food stamps and other types of assistance. They get called lazy
moochers even though they're working. Here's one other
issue though... a lot of people need two jobs to get by. If they only needed one
instead then that frees up a job for someone else (and counteracts the reduced
jobs issue some of you raise).
"Similarly, the typical Walmart costs each state within which it's
located an addition $900k per year in food stamps and other publicly funded
assistance because Walmart wages and (lack of) benefits pretty much guarantee
living in poverty."Nothing could be further from the truth.
Firstly, the typical Wal-Mart saves shoppers millions and millions of dollars a
year in reduced costs of items purchased there. I personally save a few hundred
dollars a year. And this savings is not invested outside the community.
It's all spent on food, fuel, car repairs, soccer club, etc, elsewhere in
town.Secondly, no one with a good job and not on food stamps takes a
Wal-Mart job. People who take Wal-Mart jobs are already on food stamps and
without jobs, or with temporary jobs. Do you really think someone making
$40,000 says, "Well, I'm not on food stamps, but I could be, if I quit
my job and started working at Wal-Mart"?
To "Larceny" you should do the math. Quite often if you took the
salaries of the CEO at a big company and spread that money around to all of the
employees, it would amount to less than 10 cents per hour.For
example, Ford paid its top CEO 22 million last year. Now if you took all of
that money and gave it to all 164,000 employees, that would amount to $128 per
year. Not really that much. That is a whopping 6.4 cents per hour. Now, you
lose the expertise of the CEO who won't work for nothing, and risk driving
the company into the ground.
James, the problem is that sometimes people who have good jobs lose those jobs
and they already have kids. If You Cant Feed Your Baby (Yeah, Yeah)Then Don't Have A Baby (Yeah, Yeah)And Don't Think Maybe
(Yeah, Yeah)If You Can't Feed Your Baby (Yeah, Yeah)Even
so, you have to ask yourself how much good it does to say how things should be
when there are hungry children who aren't being cared for. Lamenting on
how things should be doesn't put food in their stomachs.
@Redshirt "That is a whopping 6.4 cents per hour. " That my friend, is
a lot to somebody in my bracket.
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