Comments about ‘Budget guide from McDonald's assumes two jobs’

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Published: Wednesday, July 17 2013 3:50 p.m. MDT

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Brother Benjamin Franklin
Orem, UT

This country was founded upon the American dream, the basis that you can do what you would like to do. I think the commenters on this board need to be more sensitive to the fact that there are lots of good hard-working people at McDonald's and other places that work just as hard for $8 an hour as anyone else does.

There is no reason for someone to be ashamed of the work they do or the money they make, be it McDonald's or whatever--whether they make $1,000 per month or $10,000 per month. The purpose is if that person finds fulfillment and purpose in their work, takes pride in it, and displays a work ethic.

Stop with the complaining about how you wish things should be better. You ought to be grateful for how good you have it. If you doubt that, try living where some of these people immigrated from sometime or talking to them about what it was really like. Then maybe you'll understand a little better.

ErinKengaard
Falls Church, VA

"When large companies make profits by paying their workers unlivable wages, we end up subsidizing their bottom lines." Which is why large companies are spending millions lobbying for more immigration to keep ages low. There is a massive amount of money to be made by agriculture, hospitality industry, education, tech industry, et al, with costs externalized and borne by the middle class. That is why over a billion is spent on lobbying.
See "Our Massively One-Sided Immigration Debate" by John Carney @ CNBC.com (3/26)
See "Untangling the webs of immigration lobbying" by Lee Drutman and Alexander Furnas at The Sunlight Foundation (3/25)

ErinKengaard
Falls Church, VA

See "Robots Are Starting To Take Over Fast Food Jobs" by Dan Fastenberg. So, why are we importing cheap labor subsidized by struggling taxpayers?

JacksonCountyConservative
Blue Springs, MO

When I see "Think Progress" I think progress toward Markism. Karl was a VERY unhappy person who could not manage money - supported by his mother most of his life. His writings pull at the heart strings of most people who take his critisms of the culture he lived in as truth. Free markets, including McDonalds, don't use indentured slaves. Employees work there by choice and are free to work elsewhere for higher pay. This article seems to be lacking in gratitude for the many opportunities McDonalds gives to high school students to get an entry level job and gain experience doing work with expectations (demands) for both quality and timeliness. I know Deseret News can do better than this.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

"There are programs like food stamps, Medicaid and the earned income tax credit to help them along,"

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Welfare Queens in the United States:

McDonalds
WalMart
Exxon
Chevron
...

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

College won't guarantee a good paying job. I have a degree in Computer Science and an excellent career in the field; yet over the last decade I've seen more and more good IT jobs being offshored to India and other countries.

The Rock says that "unskilled labor is only worth so much"; and fails to take into account that were it not for these "unskilled laborers" the company wouldn't be able to produce their widgets. The "makers" in this case ARE the "unskilled laborers".

Albert Maslar CPA (Retired)
Absecon, NJ

Much ado about nothing, as Shakespeare put it. All this McDonald two-job fluff is a diversion from the real problem which is real jobs. President Obama personally nixed much job creation and the major one coming to mind is his blocking of the already approved Keystone XL Pipeline that cumulatively would add two million good-paying, tax-paying jobs, reducing substantially the two-job necessity to support a family. There are many more instances, raising the serious question of "Why the deliberate hurt to the real 15% unemployed though that figure might be double in the minority community. Where is the outrage?

Mugabe
ACWORTH, GA

"It is essential that we comprehend the distinction between real money and paper money substitute. One cannot get rich by accumulating money substitutes, one can only get deeper into debt. We the People no longer have any "money." Most Americans have not been paid any "money" for a very long time, perhaps not in their entire life. Now do you comprehend why you feel broke? Now, do you understand why you are "bankrupt," along with the rest of the country?"
(United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303
Speaker-Rep. James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:)

carman
Wasatch Front, UT

It is not WalMart's or McDonald's responsibility to pay a "living" wage. They pay the market value for the work their workers provide (actually they likely pay well above what workers are worth - that's why the workers are willing to take these jobs - they often don't have better alternatives).

The only way to make a living wage is to provide goods and services that the market is willing to pay more for. In most cases this takes some type of specialized skills which requires education, training and experience. And gaining education, training and experience usually requires sacrifice and a lot of hard work, but they can be attained. We went without furniture, lived in basement apartments, put in 12-15+ hours per day for years to gain the education and experience necessary to make a reasonable living. It was difficult, but worth it.

I can't imagine my grandfather or father letting themselves think that it was some corporation's responsibility to pay them a "living wage". They both put their pants on, sacrificed, and went to work gaining the skills they needed. Then they worked hard to keep these skills up-to-date.

Bob A. Bohey
Marlborough, MA

@Aggielove: Not automatically, many unemployed or underemployed college grads would argue that your statement in nothing more than a myth. The reality of the working world has changed dramatically in the last 20 years or so.

TDS
Clearfield, UT

All things remaining equal for every person that"applies themself" there will be one person who is demoted or in the best case s enario experiences a reduction income due to increased supply. LBJ thought the economic pie could be expanded to accomodate the poor, middle, and upper classes but without any major changes in our current technology all that would happen would be a redistribution of wealth not the creation of new wealth.

This trend has occurred internationally as well. While the U.S. has declined ecnomically other developing countries have risen - redistributing the wealth not creating new wealth. We often lecture developing countries that if they work harder then they can be successful like us but what nobody has said is that their economic expantion will decrease ours or another's wealth.

Let's not patronize the poor with a falsehood just to make ouselves feel better. There are individual exceptions to be sure, but national and international economics currently dictate that there are limited resourses and the distribution of said resoures is stratified.

RBB
Sandy, UT

It would be nice for everyone to make a "living wage." However, there is always a trade-off. Give a 50% raise and what happens

1) The owner would make no money and there would not be McDonalds. If the owner makes $125,000 and has to give a $4/hr raise to all 20 employees, his or her income just dropped to $45,000 a year. No one in their right mind would take the risk of opening a restaurant to make $45,000 a year.

2) The price of a burger would go up substantially. How many of us would cut back on eating out if the price rose 50%. Even if you spent the same each month, you would eat out 1/3 less often. As the number of people eating out goes down - there is less need to restaurant workers - leading to layoffs, and/or

3) the owner would invest in new technology to make operations more efficient - leading to layoffs. How many ditch diggers do you know? We have lost millions of manufacturing jobs because it is cheaper to buy a machine than pay someone $15.00/hr to turn a bolt.

Badger55
Nibley, Ut

I don't know anyone who can support a family on 35 hrs per week. Especially at a fast food place. People are just too lazy these days. I work 70 hrs a week at three different jobs to support my family of four. two of which are part time. People need to quit complaining and do what needs to be done to be self sufficient.

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

RBB, Don't you know that for the anti-capitalism crowd, there is no such thing as 'unintended consequences'? Just pay everyone a 'living wage' no matter how much value they bring to your company, otherwise you are just exploiting your workers. It doesn't matter where the money comes from. Everyone knows that every business owner has a swimming pool full of cash that they are just hoarding and unwilling to share with their endentured servants called employees. We need to demand that every worker gets a living wage no matter how low their skills or uneducated they may be.

Use the same logic when you talk about taxes and Obamacare. Money to pay for things comes magically out of thin air. Just raise taxes or provide free health insurance, there will not be any negative effects. Right?

LVIS
Salt Lake City, UT

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT
"Similarly, the typical Walmart costs each state within which it's located an addition $900k per year in food stamps and other publicly funded assistance because Walmart wages and (lack of) benefits pretty much guarantee living in poverty."

And, of course, without the Walmart jobs they would be making how much? Which would cost each state how much in unemployment? Food stamps? etc?

ulvegaard
Medical Lake, Washington

Each month the jobs report keeps showing us that the economy is getting stronger. What is missing from that report is in whose eyes the economy is being strengthened. The report fails to show that many of those newly created jobs are minimum wage and/or part time jobs that do not, on their own, provide a living for those who are fortunate enough to find them.

I appreciate this article because I too had not considered that as these corporations add jobs to the job market, many of those same companies are also costing tax payers a considerable amount to cover social service costs to bolster families who cannot make it on what their jobs are paying them. And fine, perhaps jobs at McDonalds and so forth are intended for students just entering the work force, but in this depressed economy, the ones needing the jobs are families more so than high school students.

Clinton
Draper, UT

Why do people assume that McDonalds is an appropriate career choice for an adult and that it should provide somebody with a professional wage? I know some adults work there, but for the most part McDonalds is a part-time job for high school or college kids and nobody should expect to buy a house and two cars on a Would-you-like-fries-with-that? skill set.

logical
Meridian, ID

It’s the economy, stupid! A lot of you people are complaining about minimum wage jobs, but the real problem is that the economy is not producing good jobs. Look at the books of large corporations and you will see a lot cash parked overseas, protected from the USA's terrible business tax. Why do we even tax "businesses"? They are just owned by individuals who have to pay tax on the profits distributed by the business. So, the numbers are; Fed corp. tax rate of 36%, Fed individual tax rate of 28%, state rate of 6%. That is 70% of business income that is taxed. THIS IS STUPID!!!!!! And we are the only country in the world where are legislators can't see this????? No wonder companies don’t pay dividends with their cash.
The feds are not entitled to our money!!!! If businesses were not punished for making money they would be more likely to expand. Can you say “jobs”?

IDC
Boise, ID

I worked several jobs that started at minimum wage for 18 years. In the meantime, I got decent grades in school and then went to college. I don't make minimum wage anymore. No one deserves $15 per hour to put together big Mac's and stuff fries in a box. If you don't think minimum wage is fair, pay someone $100 to mow your lawn.

Icarus
Dallas, Texas

This article and some of the comments highlights the sorry state of education and economic illiteracy in this country. It is basic economics that wages are based on supply and demand. The supply of people qualified to do the work at McDonalds includes about every able-bodied person above the age of 14. Since the supply is so high, the wages will be low.

Liberals can try to distort that basic fact and attempt to raise these wages through laws and regulations but that will have many unintended consequences such as reducing the number of these types of jobs available, removing a career stepping stone for many teenagers and college students, as well as removing incentives to better one's economic position through training and education.

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