Brother Benjamin Franklin~I'm a little perplexed that you
mentioned some comments in "poor taste". Could you please quote those?
You were clearly incorrect in some of your original statements. But, because
some people chose to correct you, they were somehow not Christ-like? I also find it ironic that the company example you used, Savers, is a
for-profit company. That seemed to be your original gripe about DI. In fact,
reading some employee reviews about Savers gave the same complaints you first
stated about DI. Maybe you should put your feet in other's
shoes who have their church/religion faulted for everything they do. You
don't have to go to DI, donate to DI, or even read an article about DI. But
you do need to be ready for an honest debate about DI if you choose to
I am not LDS but I am impressed with Deseret Industries. I have known out of
work people and ex-inmates who have been helped to get back on their feet by the
DI. There are people who need the jump start to get back into the main stream
society and I believe the DI program is an excellent program. It is kind of
strange to see the negative comments about the DI on this posting. I was trying
to wrap my mind around their point of view but realized it takes all kinds of
viewpoints to make up a society.
In addition. I wouldn't judge those working at the DI too quickly. I
personally knew some of the people who were there for things other than a crisis
like my wife. Also, Stacy does in fact have many skills which has allowed her
to move a little more quickly through the program than the average associate.
But that being said, some of the people there really do need to
learn how the workplace works. It's a more forgiving environment, one
where the goal is to teach them how to have a job. Rather than teach them just
the job. If they were to get a job at say, a fast food place, they may end up
losing their job very quickly. At the DI however, they work with the individual
to train them how the real world is. There could be any number of
reasons they don't have those skills, but they are all valid. And each
person there couldn't be any more grateful for the job. They made hour
cutbacks to allow more people into the program. Had nothing to do with money or
healthcare. Anyway, hope this was informative.
This article hits very close to home for me. Why so close you ask? Because
it's about my wife. And I'm the husband who was diagnosed with cancer
when everything was starting to look so bright.A couple of quick
thoughts in reading the comments. Firstly, the DI generally loses money as a
business. It's a non-profit organization that doesn't bank any of the
money that they WOULD make, though that rarely happens anyhow, as their costs
exceed their income. Secondly, the DI is setup as a stepping stone.
Here is what the article didn't tell you. My wife worked there a few
months as an associate. She was then placed in a job, with the help of the DI,
at the Humanitarian Center south of the airport. After a few months there, she
returned to the DI as an admin assistant. She now has full benefits, and is on
a much more supporting salary. I am currently in my 2nd fight with
cancer. Without those benefits, and her pay, we would not be making it right
now. She's in a job she just couldn't have gotten this quickly
Upon further reading, I can appreciate the good DI does in people's lives.
As stated before, I am happy for that. I ask that the Deseret News
cover other companies, like Savers, doing similar things and not devote such an
exclusive focus on the LDS Church. There are many organizations out there like
DI that deserve our attention and funds.As for those, particularly
from the LDS faith, who claim to follow our Lord, I find your comments in poor
taste. Try to put yourself in my shoes for a change. Not everyone in Utah is a
member of your faith and sees these things the way you do. I am saddened that
some who profess faith come on here and make comments like that. I
am sorry if my comments came across the wrong way, but I ask for your open minds
and willingness to look at these things from different perspectives than yours
or the Church. I respect the LDS faith for the good it does, and I appreciate
the Deseret News permission to post my thoughts. We are fortunate to live in an
inspired land where we can we express our feelings civilly. Thank you.
Kolob and Benjamin you are missing the point of the article. The church
isn't in it to make money. They are helping people. Welfare isn't
the answer. That I know for sure. The blessing of learning how to work and
finding a good job that does pay health. Most people who work at DI are gone
with 7 to 9 months or earlier. Many are taken off the welfare rolls and other
programs that do a service but never get people off the dole. All
programs have their weaknesses but DI is a great program that helps get people
off the dole, work, become happy contributing citizens.
What a great program to help people gain the skills and experience to be
self-sufficient. No comparison to government welfare programs that only give
handouts and teach little.
I think those that disparage the program, simply dont know anything about it.
How sad. they know so little about it and probably dont help those in need
either. Their input shows what is wrong with society today. The DI is a great
place and will continue to be that way.Some people dont learn how to work and
dont even learn how to live, and sometimes they need to be taught. Others just
like to judge and show how selfish they are with their judgements.
Moral and ethical values are a significant part of training at DI. People are
looking for ways to improve their value system to what the world needs today for
efficiency and productivity in the workplace. Giving people a second-chance as
with stuff and goods that DI provides is a value added benefit of all they do
for people and families.The article in May 2013 about Deseret
Industries is significant for commenters to read and understand.
Although it is not our practice to correct misinformation published in the
comments section of DeseretNews.com, I am going to break with tradition. Some of
the comments on this story have not taken into account all the facts about
Deseret Industries and its core purpose.I invite you to read the
portion of this Mormon Newsroom report that refers to DI.http://bit.ly/121noBcBurke OlsenContent Director,
I don't understand how some of the "skills" that they teach need to
be taught to adults. Showing up to work on time? Showing up for EVERY shift?
Working, while your being paid to work? Maybe these people lived charmed lives
up until their stint at the DI, but I learned this stuff when I was a kid, how
do you make it that far into adulthood and not understand how jobs work?
I am a graduate of the DI program. Dave was my boss. I cannot say enough good
about the program. Each employee has a ward member to mentor them. Each employee
is interviewed by their supervisor once or twice a week to see about there job
looking progression. I was only there for three months and took two different
training classes. These were taught by experts who had many many years teaching.
They paid for me to take a fork lift class online at the Bridgerland school.
This would have cost me several hundred dollars. So every donation that results
in a sale gets put back into the program to pay the employee so they don't
have to take government assistance.Training and schooling are part of the
program. I would say that the time I spent there were the best time of
employment. Good hearted people and lasting friends.Made me see that there were
a lot of people worse off than I. I am thankful for that great experience.
President Heber J. Grant was truley inspired to start the program. Great article
4th try! DNews moderators: PLEASE explain what is wrong with the following
post?????@Brother Benjamin Franklin"I am happy that
DI helps people. I just think people should be just as willing to consider other
alternatives first."I am positive that most people working at
the DI do just that - consider alternatives first - and take better
opportunities when they come along. I just got off the phone with somebody who
cannot get work anywhere because of past legal issues. The only place she could
get work was the DI. Not everybody that works there is in that situation of
course. But thank goodness for the DI in these situations."I
question the motives of a place that enables people to work in an outlet that
the church makes money on."The DI is a non-profit organization
and a division of the welfare services of the LDS Church. It may not be EXACTLY
what some people think it should be, but to me its motives are to help the
less-fortunate in society and it appears to me that the evidence supports that.
To "Brother Benjamin Franklin" you don't quite understand what goes
on with the job training.I know people that are job coaches at the
DI, and they tell similar stories about what they do.For example,
quite often they have to teach the DI workers that when you are scheduled to
work a shift from 8 to 5, that you actually have to show up for work at 8, not
whenever you feel like it. Some have to be taught that you can't just sit
around doing nothing and expect to have the job for very long.They
are teaching people how to work. Simply handing them a voucher for food and
clothing will never teach them how to work.Tell us, what other
organization is there out there that does what the DI has been doing to teach
people how to hold down a job?
DI provides many benefits that go far beyond what is stated in the article, and
those who have disparaging views are simply negative. I'm sure not
everything that happens at DI is wonderful, but that is because human beings
with all our foibles, are in charge. I served a "service mission" in SLC
and had the opportunity to work with a sweet non-English speaking woman who
worked at DI for an extended time because she didn't have skills for most
jobs. The work at DI provided income, and gave her a chance to contribute. I
appreciate DI and the overall picture it provides!
Just because DI is in the community does not mean it has all the answers to
one's problems. I think DI means well, I simply disagree that it is
accomplishing much of anything other than being a place where people can get
cheap stuff and the occasional diamond in the rough item. I am
happy that DI helps people. I just think people should be just as willing to
consider other alternatives first. I question the motives of a place that
enables people to work in an outlet that the church makes money on. It almost
seems a form of sneaky exploitation to me. You are entitled to your
opinions, as I am to mine. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this
At a time when some Utah state legislators are trying to say that the LDS church
needs to set up a statewide network of charity healthcare clinics, it is good to
be reminded of how much good it is already doing here in Utah.
One thing I believe that is happening with the DI is they are basically able to
increase those in training as the numbers that need to be trained has not
decreased in the past couple of years.Thanks for the DI and those
that administer those programs for those that have needs in so many areas of
their life. Thanks to the volunteers and employees that give
support and care for these people who are wanting to improve their life for
themselves and their families.
We live in a Red State that in some ways wants to have people self-sufficient.
That is not always the case and this state has many families that are impacted
by politics that not necessarily shows kindness in everything that is done.DI has a positive influence on people and the Church Welfare program is
similar. What a great opportunity for people to learn skills and
feel productive in ways that some would beg to have in other locations even in
the United States of America. It is a training ground that produces output for
people that are working at all levels. What a blessing the people in DI
locations have to put their efforts to good working conditions, even without the
benefits that were changed due to the ACA that was passed into law. The effects
of that law was to pass it and then read it. There was a significant impact,
even on the poor and downtrodden that were supposedly to benefit from that ACA.
We elect people to represent us but unfortunately, politics and
lobbying by groups such as AARP and others sway the process for money, dollars,
and even tax benefits. All financial gains.
@Brother Benjamin Franklin"I can see how one can interpret this
article to mean that good is happening here, but wouldn't these people be
better off using LDS Church welfare or some other temporary solution until they
can locate employment."-------------I am sure some of the
DI workers are indeed being helped by church welfare. Also, it is better to work
while looking for better work. Deliberately choosing to not do any work at all
can be a turn off to potential employers.@dalefarr"For
example DI made the decision to cut back employee hrs so it wouldn't have
to provide health insurance benefit."------------DI never
provided health insurance in the first place. "I don't
blame DI for making the decision but to say that the DI or any other LDS church
welfare program can take care of the poor among us without governmental welfare
is just plain wrong."------------I am in a bishopric in my
ward, and I know numerous people that are being assisted by LDS welfare instead
of government welfare.
Bro Benjamin...did you even READ the article?
No mention of the fact that DI is managed to earn a profit and not strictly as a
charitable undertaking. Also DI standing without federal welfare doesn't
work. For example DI made the decision to cut back employee hrs so it
wouldn't have to provide health insurance benefit. Medical coverage will
have to be provided by medicaid. I don't blame DI for making the decision
but to say that the DI or any other LDS church welfare program can take care of
the poor among us without governmental welfare is just plain wrong.
Gosh, Bob. It certainly would. I guess some of them never thought of such a
@ Brother FRanklin..............if there were jobs out there. It's not
simply choosing between two jobs, it's about finding a job and getting job
skills. They can find jobs while working. It's not an either
or proposition. It gives a person some self worth while they may be unemployed.
Better than doing nothing and hoping for a job.
Would it not be better if LDS brides had a skill, and could contribute to the
home, even if the husband is able?
I can see how one can interpret this article to mean that good is happening
here, but wouldn't these people be better off using LDS Church welfare or
some other temporary solution until they can locate employment. I
do not believe it is necessary for a place like DI to exploit cheap labor from
the community when there are already more than enough places that one could work
to acquire those skills. Going and working at a place like DI just seems like a
crutch for someone if anything. Why not put those skills to use in the
marketplace where it can benefit everyone in society, not just the purposes of
the LDS Church? I simply am not of the opinion that there is
anything that a place like DI can offer that is any better than what is already
out there for someone. I furthermore believe that such mass
employment factories can have a negative impact on our economy by slowing the
progress of these folks in finding proper employment. DI may mean
well, but I have never thought DI was a community benefit if it is siphoning
workers and dollars from our community's economies and taxes.
Deseret Industries doesn't pay a decent wage and they don't provide
health care . So much for "caring" about people. All they care about is
getting credit for the "caring".
I worked there for about a year and let me say it changed me. I met amazing
people they helped me so much. I wanted to do receptionist work so they had me
do a business partnership. I also went through the advanced job search and I now
have a job that I love doing with coworkers that I am surrounded with that I
enjoy. DI was the place that started everything for me. I am so grateful for the
opportunity to have been blessed to work there. Best experience of my life.
I worked a summer at DI between my Junior and Senior year of high school. It
was a wonderful summer. I met many wonderful people at DI. It truly is a
What a great place to give and watch lives change. Congratulations to DI and all
that work there.
This is just amazing. I wish government entities would get a clue, rather than
just handing out EBT cards to people without helping them know what to buy
(healthy food) and how to improve.