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Published: Wednesday, July 17 2013 11:50 a.m. MDT

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Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@vegas ute

What's funnier than a BYU fan declaring pre season victories? A utah "fan" declaring pre playing greatness.

utah "fans" like yourself constantly mock BYU fans saying they are always declaring pre season championships. That is laughably incorrect but you want a little bit of truth? utah "fans" are always declaring the greatness of some kid none of them have the slightest clue about being the greatest thing in the history of football simply because he gave a verbal to utah. That's right, the kid isn't even out of high school, has never done anything of note, and utah "fans" are already making declarations of greatness.

If BYU = preseason champs then utah = precareer champs.

LOL!

CO Ute
PARKER, CO

@snackpack - the PAC/Indep 'era' consists of a whopping total of 2 seasons. Of course during that same 'era' the Y has failed to win a game against Utah and developed their record against the likes of Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico State, Hawaii, and Weber State. Those 5 teams have accounted for 50% of the Y's regular season wins during the 'era'.

SportsFan
Orem, UT

CO Ute

Congratulations.

In 2012, U barely squeaked by ONE D-1A team that won more than 3 games, and that win only because of a fluke, errant snap scoop and score.

Utah's wins in 2012 consisted of:
No Colo(5-6)
BYU(8-5)
Cal(3-9)
WSU(3-9)
Col(1-11)
Combined record 15-34

No wins against ranked teams; only one win against a bowl team, no wins against conference foes with winning records, and a 7-point win against pathetic, 11-loss Colorado.

Minimizing BYU simply minimizes the ONLY decent wins the Utes have since joining the PAC.

BYU's final Sagarin rankings as an Independent: #34 and #26, average #30.
Utah's final Sagarin rankings in the PAC 12: #39 and #61, average #50.

btw, BYU played FIVE Top 25 teams in 2012; Utah only played TWO.

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

CO Ute

"the PAC/Indep 'era' consists of a whopping total of 2 seasons."

True, yet in that short time period, BYU still managed to finish in the Top 25, for EIGHTEENTH time in the last 36 years, and to win two more bowl games.

Not surprisingly, the Utes failed to finish in the Top 25, for the 30th time in the last 36 years, and only managed to play in one bowl game.

As modest as BYU's accomplishments have been, they still far exceed anything the Utes have done in the last two years.

TanMan_101
West Jordan, UT

@Duckhunter

I'm pretty sure you know what I was talking about. And you want to talk about being "frantic and emotional."

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Duckhunter: "If BYU = preseason champs then utah = precareer champs."

3grandslams, June 11: "The only team loaded with recruiting classes that will go deep into the NCAA is BYU."

Tators, June 12: "Though playing time will be harder to get, a player will be a part of some deep runs into the NCAA playoffs."

Wiscougarfan, June 12: "BYU hasn't had much success going deep into the tourney in the past. However, there are at least three good reasons to believe that will change in the next few years. They are Emery, Mika, and (T.J.) Haws."

Frankly, I have no problem with people believing future players will do good things for their team. Believing it to be solely a one-sided affair is just ignorant, however. (Those were all from one article, by the way. The entire offseason and last season was riddled with endless similar intimations.)

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@stg

I have no problem with people believing players will be good either, I just enjoy pointing out utah "fan" hypocrisy, which is a very easy thing to do.

ekute
Layton, UT

Claims of superiority over a team that's beat you 3 years in a row and 8 out of 11 is hypocritical.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@ekute

Claims of superiority over a team that consistently finishes with better records and higher rankings than you is hypocritical.

ekute
Layton, UT

Superiority is proven on the field.

Jenny83
Logan, UT

Now how old are we here kids!? Honestly, it is only a game and it's not all that important when it comes right down to it....

LonestarRunner
Salt Lake City, UT

ekute

Superiority is proven on the field over the course of an ENTIRE SEASON, not in one game.

Unless Utah fans are willing to admit that UNLV(2-10) was BETTER than Utah(9-4) for the ENTIRE SEASON...

Unless Utah fans are willing to admit that Colorado(3-10) was BETTER than Utah(8-5) for the ENTIRE SEASON...

stop your silly claims that

unranked/#39 Utah(8-5) was BETTER than #25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) for the ENTIRE SEASON

or that

unranked/#61 Utah(5-7) was BETTER than unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) for the ENTIRE SEASON.

The ENTIRE SEASON's results are the ONLY thing that really matters.

Winning the head-to-head gives you one-game bragging rights, and NOTHING more.

Bottom line, BYU has finished ahead of Utah in record and final ranking in 5 of the 8 seasons during the Bronco/Kyle era.

Kyle's had one great season, and little more.

Top 25 Finishes
Bronco 5
Kyle 3

AP Top 25 Finishes
Bronco 4
Kyle 2

Top 15 Finishes
Bronco 3
Kyle 1

Conference Championships
Bronco 2
Kyle 1

It's blatantly obvious, that Bronco has been more successful, overall, than Kyle.

ekute
Layton, UT

Superiority is proven on the field over the course of yearly head to head match ups.

3 in row.
8 of 11.
13 of 20.
56 of 98.
Kyle 4 of 7.

LonestarRunner
Salt Lake City, UT

ekute

So you're claiming UNLV(2-10) and Colorado(3-10) were BETTER than Utah.

How embarrassing for U that your best team ever was preceded by a team that wasn't even as good as pathetic 10-loss UNLV, a team that only beat one other team in 2007, 10-loss Utah St.

How embarrassing for U that your inaugural PAC 12 team wasn't even as good as pathetic 10-loss Colorado, a team that hadn't won a road game in 4 years.

poyman
Lincoln City, OR

@ekutie

We're just being messengers... The most quoted Preseason College Football Expert By the Uties (Phil Steele on Strength of Schedule for 2013) states that he believes BYU is the 34th strongest team in the country, and he then picks Utah as the 60th strongest team in the nation... That's 26 places higher for the Cougs... That's not us trying to create controversy or attacking... that's simply us quoting the same expert that you guys like to quote...

Then, if we apply logic to examining strength of schedule... One would have to conclude that having Utah on your team's schedule this year actually hurts your SOS rating (unless you are Weber State)... Ouch...

Maybe , with guys like Donovan, that SOS rating can improve for your opponents in the coming years. As a BYU fan, I certainly hope so...

Y's little brother
Sandy, UT

ekute

29 of the last 50
25 of the last 40

AP Top 25 finishes
BYU 17 > Utah 5

National Championships
BYU 1 > Utah none

WAC/MWC Championships
BYU 23 > Utah 6

Heisman Trophies
BYU 1 > Utah none

National College Football Hall of Fame Players
BYU 6 > Utah none

Bowl Games
BYU 31 > Utah 17

National Individual Award Winners
BYU 15 > Utah none

Top 25 Football Dynasties of the AP era (1934 to present)
BYU 1 > Utah not even mentioned

10+ Win Seasons
BYU 16 > Utah 6

Overall Record During the Last Half Century
BYU 398-203-4 (66%)
Utah 314-357-3 (55%)

BYU will reach 400 wins during the last 50 years this year.
Utah won't reach 400 wins during the last 50 years for at least another decade, if ever.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Duckhunter, and I like pointing out the hypocrisy of the one who always cries "hypocrisy." It's very easy to do.

poyman
Lincoln City, OR

Ummm, Y's little bro,

Utah's win % for the past 50 years isn't 55%... 314 wins against 674 games is actually less than 47%... I also think that it's important to note that in 48 of those 50 seasons BYU and Utah shared the same conference...

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@stg

Uh....show me where I have been hypocritical? You cannot. How "frantic and emotional" of you. Fail.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Y's little

BYU will reach 400 wins during the last 50 years this year.
Utah won't reach 400 wins during the last 50 years for at least another decade, if ever.

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For ever ever? Nope.

UTAH:

All-time record 628–435–31 (.588)
Postseason bowl record 13–4 (.765)
Conference titles 24 (2 BCS undefeated teams)
Consensus All-Americans 14

BYU:

All-time record 484–369–26 (.565)
Postseason bowl record 13–17–1 (.435)
Conference titles 23 (1 NC)
Consensus All-Americans 13 (1 Heisman)

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