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Published: Wednesday, July 17 2013 11:50 a.m. MDT

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Herriman, UT

@ Ys Little Brother
You really going to go there with one of Utahs BCS season only having three teams with winning records on the schedule? Don't forget BYUs national championship team did not win the national championship, they were awarded it. The best thing to come from that, was that college football has made sure that a team that was clearly not the best team in the country will never be awarded another national championship. That team wasn't even the best team that BYU ever had, and none of those teams were ever the best team in the country.

Lastly, if BYU is better than Utah, how come you can't beat us anymore? I'll give it up, through the late 70s and certainly through the 80s, BYU owned Utah. However, Utah is clearly a better football program today.

CO Ute
PARKER, CO

Since this is an article about U recruiting, maybe some posts relating to the article would be interesting.

I am just giving my opinion so hopefully the DN moderator will approve and not making a personal attack on anyone, again just my opinion.

Chris B. doesn't speak for U fans and while some of those posts make me laugh, I dislike most of them. Unfortunately several Y fans take the bait every time and feel a need to reply.

Y's little brother makes the same post over and over again comparing the Y to the U (an conveniently forgets to make any comment about BCS bowls or players in the NFL for each school). For me, these are posts are on par with those from Chris B - redundant and designed to annoy people.

For once, I agree with Duckhunter. This kid looks like he might end up playing defense for the U. Nice to see him make an unbiased post that doesn't compare the two schools. I hope Utah can keep this young man committed and he turns into a future starter regardless of position.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@Y's little brother

In it's history BYU maybe has 2 or 3 actual on-field victories against legitimate big time competition...

Absent big time victories the Cougar Nation is left to boast about awards that were conferred by virtue of votes.

You know... VOTES.... kind of like the way figure skating winners are determined...

And those votes are the product of BYU's performances against 2nd and 3rd tier competition.

Cougar Nation may boast all they want about their voted glory.... It's what they do because they've got no real on-field glory to talk about.

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

2020

"Don't forget BYU's national championship team did not win the national championship, they were awarded it."

Don't forget that BYU WON their 1984 AP National Championship in EXACTLY the same way EVERY other AP National Champion since 1936 has won their national championship, by finishing #1 in the final AP poll.

In fact, a consensus of all FIVE major national selecting organizations of the day selected BYU as THE MOST DESERVING team of 1984 to win the National Championship.

Unlike the Utes, who only managed to finish #4 in 2004 and a distant #2 in 2008.

First Place Votes
1984 - BYU(38), Washington(16), Florida(6)
2004 - USC(62), Auburn(3), Utah(0)
2008 - Florida(48), Utah(16), USC(1)

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

howie

Absent big time victories, Ute Nation can't even boast about awards that were conferred by virtue of votes.

Don't kid yourself. EVERY award, even playing in a bcs bowl or championship game, is conferred by virtue of votes. Even Utah fans rely on poll voters to validate their meager list of national accomplishments.

Absent a legitimate playoff, EVERY accomplishment in major college football is conferred by virtue of votes, including

Athlon Magazine, an unbiased AND credible source, ranking BYU as one of the

Top 25 GREATEST COLLEGE FOOTBALL DYNASTIES

since the AP Poll debuted in 1934.

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Boise State and TCU were included in the Best of the Rest.

Utah wasn't even mentioned.

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Of the 1,053 AP polls

BYU has been ranked in 236 polls (22%)
Utah has been ranked in 77 polls (7%)

It's laughable that Utah fans will point to the Top 25 teams that Utah beat in 2008, as validation of Utah's legitimacy, yet claim that BYU's #1 ranking in the 1984 final AP poll is somehow illegitimate.

talkinsports
Gilbert, AZ

Howie

"In it's history BYU maybe has 2 or 3 actual on-field victories against legitimate big time competition..."

Utah has only ONE legitimate victory against big time competition, and that victory pales in comparison to BYU's biggest victory against big time competition.

In 1990, BYU beat #1-ranked, defending national champion Miami; finished #3.
In 2008, Utah beat #3-ranked, conference runner-up Alabama; finished #6.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@talkinsports

Utah's victory was 5 years ago not 23 years ago... and it was on a far bigger stage.

That's why BYU is on the outside looking in on the modern era of big boy football.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@Just the FAX

Like I said... VOTED by Athlon... and the product of success against 2nd and 3rd tier competition.

The proof is in the pudding... as a mid-major indy, BYU remains excluded from big boy football.

SportsFan
Orem, UT

Howard S.

It's strange how Utah fans use wins against "ranked" teams to legitimize their 2008 season, yet those same Utah fans claim that BYU's #1 ranking in 1984 isn't legitimate.

Even stranger when you consider that one of Utah's 2008 wins against a "ranked" team was versus #25 BYU.

What rationale do you use for deciding which rankings are legitimate, and which aren't?

PAC man
Anaheim, CA

Howard S.

PROVE that Utah's "success" wasn't "the product of success against 2nd and 3rd tier competition."

Using a conference invitation to "prove" Utah's "legitimacy" is laughable.

Colorado, 21-40, the previous five seasons, was invited to the PAC before U, and Maryland, 25-37, and Rutgers, 39-25, the previous five seasons, were both invited to the B1G since then, proving that television markets, not accomplishments on the grid iron, are the overwhelming driving force in conference expansion.

It's time for Utah fans to stop pretending that Utah's football "accomplishments" were even a factor, let alone, the reason, for Utah's invitation to the PAC 12.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@SportsFan

BYU beat no team that was ranked by any poll at the end of the 1984 season... that fact kind of speaks for itself on the weak schedule BYU played that year.

backpacn
Sandy, UT

Howard S.

Utah's victory was against an unmotivated Alabama team that was missing one of its best players and had nothing to play for after being eliminated from the national championship picture.

BYU's victory was against a highly motivated Miami team that was trying to win back-to-back national championships.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

SportsFan

"Howard S.

It's strange how Utah fans use wins against 'ranked' teams to legitimize their 2008 season, yet those same Utah fans claim that BYU's #1 ranking in 1984 isn't legitimate.

Even stranger when you consider that one of Utah's 2008 wins against a 'ranked' team was versus #25 BYU.

What rationale do you use for deciding which rankings are legitimate, and which aren't?"

Which teams did 2-Star byu play against in '84, which finished the season ranked? We know how utterly overrated PITT was, as they finished the season 3-7-1, bowl-less and unranked. We also know 2-Star byu's SOS ranked #96 out of 98 total teams ranked. Please enlighten us?

Thanks in advance!

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@PAC man

Utes are in... BYU is not... and has little prospects of getting in.

It doesn't have to be justified... It's the fact.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

For the record, I sincerely hope Donovan, who's an outstanding young man/athlete/QB, is carefully reading these threads, in order to see first-hand what 2-Star byu's fanbase is all about!

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@backpacn

Miami was 23 years ago for BYU... If Utah's biggest win was 23 years ago I'd be embarrassed to bring it up...

But I suppose if it's all you've got... you go with it...

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

"In 1990, BYU beat #1-ranked, defending national champion Miami; finished #3.
In 2008, Utah beat #3-ranked, conference runner-up Alabama; finished #6."

The U beat 4 teams finishing ranked in '08, 2 in the Top-10. How about '90 2-Star byu? Furthermore, The U finished '08 ranked #2 in the nation and undefeated. Where did '90 2-Star byu finish ranked and what was their final record?

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

BTW, The U's final SOS ranking in '08 was among the nation's absolute toughest, as well!

redfeather
Palo Alto, CA

howard s

"Utah's victory was 5 years ago not 23 years ago..."

The line of demarcation in Utah sports is truly... amazing.

NOTHING before 2004 counts in football; NOTHING since 2005 counts in basketball.

1944 and 1998 are like yesterday in basketball; 1984, 1990, and 1996 are like ancient history in football.

Who cares whether Utah's victory was 5 years or 25 years ago? NONE of the key players on Utah's 2008 team are still playing for the U.

If you're looking for relevancy, BYU has beaten #18/#18 Utah and #16/#17 Utah State since 2008.

Who have U beaten, unranked/#25 BYU?

Ironically, in trying to prove Utah's current relevancy, you're forced to either accept BYU's greater relevancy, or accept that Utah's only legitimate win, since joining the PAC, was irrelevant.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Great, Great get for the Utes. Especially when you see who they beat out. I love all the jealous BYU fans. I love how they jump in their time machine and try to compare them selfs to Utah. Envy and jealousy is a horrible thing.

GO UTES!

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