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GOP struggles to redefine party under electoral pressure

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  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    July 18, 2013 4:21 p.m.

    To "RanchHand" it was because of the Reagan deals that he made with the Democrats that allowed for amnesty. Reagan later in his life regretted the deals that he made with them on taxes and immigration. If you read his interviews after being President, Reagan admitted that the amnesty bill that he signed was a mistake.

    So, should we learn from the mistakes of the past or should we repeat them again and give amnesty to people who are breaking the law?

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    July 18, 2013 3:22 p.m.

    @Bebyebe

    Relevant to who?

    The democrats? liberals? leftists?

    Are you saying Women, Hispanics and latinos, illegal immigrants, and do fprth have no values, no morals, no religion, do not love freedom or righteousness, do not worship God, do not support gun rights?

    I would say you are quite wrong.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    July 18, 2013 2:43 p.m.

    When complaining that "immigration reform" is a Democrat conspiracy to force Republicans to embrace the evil Democrat ideology, please remember that it was Reagan & the Republicans who once gave amnesty to illegal immigrants in this country.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    July 18, 2013 12:25 p.m.

    "...I read an interesting article this morning that explains how this immigration reform bill will have trouble in the House due to gerrymandering...".

    Trouble in the House due to gerrymandering?

    Republicans have so gerrymandered the House districts that the only way to get re-elected is to continue to lurch further and further to the right.

    Immigration reform is a contradiction in terms for extreme right wing obstructionists.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    July 18, 2013 12:15 p.m.

    Lets think about this for a moment. You have liberals in the Media and commenting here, who vote and support Democrat causes telling the GOP what they should do to get more votes? What sense does that make?

    That is like asking your worst enemy what you can do to defeat them, and expecting an honest and workable response.

    The fact is that about 40% of the US identifies themselves as conservative, 35% identify themselves as moderates, and only 20% as liberal. The remaining don't know how to classify themselves. (According to Gallup)

    So, if the GOP wants to win elections they need to come up with a clear conservative message that will get the conservatives and get 1/2 of the moderate vote. IF they could do that, they would win every election. Instead we get GOP canidates that are just trying to out-Democrat the Democrats. If they would offern an actual alternative, rather than saying "I support that too", people might listen more.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    July 18, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    I read an interesting article this morning that explains how this immigration reform bill will have trouble in the House due to gerrymandering. There has been a concerted effort to create Latino districts that are custom-made to bring representation to Hispanics. The most extreme example is the 4th district in Illinois.
    Great for the local Latinos but that makes it MORE difficult for the reps in the more white districts to vote for amnesty bills. In other words, all the votes are now concentrated within districts and there is no broad appeal in the House to pass bills that only benefit Latinos.

  • sergio Phoenix, AZ
    July 18, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    The Republicans have become a negative force of backward thinking and anti-progress. The world is changeling and the GOP needs to grow up to keep up with a changing world. They can't grow by keeping their head in the sand.

  • very concerned Sandy, UT
    July 18, 2013 7:37 a.m.

    @Bebyebe
    "GOP needs to evolve (pun intended) past Guns, God, Gays and Abortion to become relevant again."

    I disagree. Every party needs to continue to struggle with their views on these issues. They remain as pertinent today as they ever were. As already posted, we hope each party deals with certain issues because it is the right thing to do, not because it will get them votes. Gridlock, perpetuated by various zealots on either side of the aisle, doesn't pass the smell test to me. Washington seems to be a one-trick pony. They seem only to be able to play one game, the "blame game."

    I can see other issues though that could use some updating in the GOP, the view on immigration for one. I personally don't see a solution involving 10's of millions of people without some form of amnesty. I have to trust there is a solution that makes sense. What it is, I'll leave to smarter people than me. But I cannot see making them all go back to Mexico as a practical, workable, and doable solution.

    But that's just me. I understand those who don't agree with amnesty.

  • Owen Heber City, UT
    July 18, 2013 5:51 a.m.

    So it's the media's fault for reporting facts about conservative justices overturning the voting rights act, voter suppression in conservative states, racist comments by Paula Deen and Rush Limbaugh, inconsistent enforcement of "stand your ground" laws. It's not the facts themselves that bug minorities. It's the media's reporting of them.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    July 18, 2013 3:48 a.m.

    One thing I have to give the Republican Party credit for and that was to kill the Senate version of the bill as unconstitutional as it was. It took the wind out of sails of the Democratic hopefuls to take their law to the supreme courts and have it declared unconstitutional to make it possible to grant citizenship without and due process or immigration controls.

    In other words, the presidential candidates can put ballot boxes in every country of the world to elect our president.

    Immigration is not about a party hopes and wishes, we are talking about the rights of Americans and their own security in their country. What is being revealed by all this tongue in cheek lies being circulated is that there is nothing wrong with our immigration laws, they are legal, binding, and written fairly and justly for the preservation and soverignty of this nation.

    The only fault with the immigration laws is no enforcement and no border control with prejudices. If anything should be repealed is the NAFTA Treaty to repeal open borders for commerce and business. Block all imports from all nations, that will create business and jobs for manufacturers and consumers.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    July 17, 2013 10:47 p.m.

    Are you serious? Efforts to get the Republican party back on a more moderate course are really disguised liberal ploys to make Republicans more like the Democrats?

  • franc Kirkland, WA
    July 17, 2013 7:08 p.m.

    I was in SLC on the day of this "march" ... the photos shows the totality of the "demonstration" ... there wasn't one person more there than is shown in this photo. It's disingenuous for Deseret News to make this seem to be an important story. It was a bust ... and the article should have said so.

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    July 17, 2013 6:17 p.m.

    GOP needs to evolve (pun intended) past Guns, God, Gays and Abortion to become relevant again.

  • very concerned Sandy, UT
    July 17, 2013 6:00 p.m.

    @ no fit in SG

    If by "women's health" you mean the right to an abortion. That is a euphemism for killing fetuses, much like any other kind of killing.

    @2 bits
    "I would hope SOMEBODY out there either does it because it's the right thing to do, or doesn't do it because it's the right thing to do (NOT because it will get them votes)."

    AGREED!

    Now if we were all on the same page as to what's the right thing to do.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    July 17, 2013 5:52 p.m.

    Oh, why won't they vote for us. We told them to....

  • SLars Provo, UT
    July 17, 2013 5:36 p.m.

    Another attempt to run down the Republican party and force them into supporting the toxic Senate bill on immigration.

    The media is obsessed with it. The Republican party, in a round about way, is actually listening to the citizens. That will get them more votes than the Democrata pandering to one ethnic group.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    July 17, 2013 1:45 p.m.

    Better work towards trying to add new immigrants to the GOP.
    Woman are leaving that political party in droves, and few females will find interest for their health and political concerns within the ranks of the Republican party anytime soon.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 17, 2013 1:15 p.m.

    Immigration Reform will do nothing to help the GOP. The people saying they have to do it to win elections... are just tricking them.

    Even IF they couldn't win any elections unless they do it... doesn't make it the right thing to do.

    This may be shocking but... SOME people aren't all about winning the next election at all costs and whether what they do is right or wrong (as long as it gets them votes).

    The GOP is probably just as bad at this as the Democrats, but I would hope SOMEBODY out there either does it because it's the right thing to do, or doesn't do it because it's the right thing to do (NOT because it will get them votes).

    I think some sort of reform is probably "the right thing to do". I just don't know if this is it. I would hope the right thing to do would be to protect our borders first, and THEN design a plan for the people stuck here illegally. But some people just think getting these people a path to citizenship (so they can vote) is all that matters.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2013 1:06 p.m.

    @1conservative
    "Could one of the democrats please explain why Obama wants to add 20 million low-skilled workers to the workforce when we already have 25-30% unemployment, especially as regards inner city blacks?"

    Illegal immigrants that are already here already have jobs, otherwise they'd have gone back home (as some of them have, which is why illegal immigration dropped to practically zero during the recession) so really just about nobody is being added.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    July 17, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    If Republicans go along with an amnesty plan for Hispanics, they will only be increasing the Democrat party voting base. It's not rocket science to understand that Hispanics have been solidly behind the Democrat party for generations. That's not going to change anytime soon... no matter what. For Republicans to appear as being coerced into this immigration plan involving a form of amnesty is not going to change Hispanic attitudes or how they have been voting.

    As stated in the article, Republicans would be much better off re-galvanizing the White middle class vote than in helping the Democrats obtain more Hispanic citizens to vote their way.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 17, 2013 12:50 p.m.

    Could one of the democrats please explain why Obama wants to add 20 million low-skilled workers to the workforce when we already have 25-30% unemployment, especially as regards inner city blacks?

    I know that Obama lobbied the unions to go along with his amnesty plan. But, why did they?

    Is it true that Obama ONLY cares about 20 million new democratic voters, or is there some other reason I'm not seeing?

    Once upon a time, long long ago; the democratic party actually cared about the plight of working Americans. When did that change?

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    July 17, 2013 11:40 a.m.

    Reader
    How about getting rid of the socialist Democrats who are now in charge of running the country into unsustainable debt.

    And by the way, the press does indeed have a lot of control of the American mind. People get their information from some place. The mainstream media is just as influential to the people who listen to it as is FOX news or Rush, ect. It is just that the balance in the media is far too slanted to the liberal/Democrat side. The liberal side is as much warped, as you put it, as any right wing media. Just the facts my friend.

  • The Reader Layton, UT
    July 17, 2013 8:25 a.m.

    The press does not control the thoughts of the American public. They report the facts and the American Public who are quite capable of thinking make up their own mind. The thought that the press control the American public's thought process is similar to Rush and the republican party being quite sure Romney had the election in the bag. They listen to their own warped view of reality (FOX news, Rush and the like)to understand what is going on in the minds of the American public. Get rid of the American Taliban (T party) and the Republican party can win again.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    July 16, 2013 2:54 p.m.

    @Tolstoy

    So are you implying that the mainstream news media does NOT give more negative stories about Republicans than Democrats? If you believe that then you are not aware of numerous studies that have shown the number of negative stories vs positive stories for Republicans is unbalanced when compared with what the Democrats get. The major media vote for and favor Democrats by a huge margin. Just a fact my friend.

  • TeaPublican Houston, TX
    July 16, 2013 2:49 p.m.

    Why don’t you understand that We Republicans don’t care about immigration reform. We care about getting reelected!

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    July 16, 2013 2:12 p.m.

    @scfan
    sorry but they are not Republicans do just fine painting themselves into those corners without any help from the media. At least know we know when Romney made that comment about the 47% playing victim he was talking about his own party.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    July 16, 2013 1:34 p.m.

    The Republican Party will probably never get a majority of any minority vote, largely because the media paints Republicans as anti this or that, or just plain racist. What the Republicans need to do is find a way to get disgruntled Democrats, (of which there should be plenty after Obama) and more so called moderated middle voters to vote Republican. Even if the Republicans voted for every social program that benefits minorities, and called for complete amnesty for all illegals here, they would likely not get many more votes from those communities, because the media will tell them that the Republicans are just trying to buy their vote. There is a lot of the non-minority vote for the Republicans to try for. However, no Republican would ever say that because it would sound racist to say you are going for the white vote. It's OK to say you are going for the minority vote, but not the majority vote. Funny isn't it.

  • stuff Provo, UT
    July 16, 2013 1:23 p.m.

    The attack on the republican party escalates. Haters are trying to force them to cease to exist or to adopt dem vices.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    July 16, 2013 1:21 p.m.

    I find the local stories about national politics to be amusing.
    In other news, Gallup just released a survey that reveals the voting patterns of Hispanics. The GOP doesn't have a chance. They like Obama, even after he broke his "reform" promise. And the numbers aren't even close. Latinos vote for the democrats 2 to 1. Even when you roll in the independents, you still can't win.