To "RanchHand" it was because of the Reagan deals that he made with the
Democrats that allowed for amnesty. Reagan later in his life regretted the
deals that he made with them on taxes and immigration. If you read his
interviews after being President, Reagan admitted that the amnesty bill that he
signed was a mistake.So, should we learn from the mistakes of the
past or should we repeat them again and give amnesty to people who are breaking
@BebyebeRelevant to who?The democrats? liberals?
leftists?Are you saying Women, Hispanics and latinos, illegal
immigrants, and do fprth have no values, no morals, no religion, do not love
freedom or righteousness, do not worship God, do not support gun rights?I would say you are quite wrong.
When complaining that "immigration reform" is a Democrat conspiracy to
force Republicans to embrace the evil Democrat ideology, please remember that it
was Reagan & the Republicans who once gave amnesty to illegal immigrants in
"...I read an interesting article this morning that explains how this
immigration reform bill will have trouble in the House due to
gerrymandering...".Trouble in the House due to
gerrymandering?Republicans have so gerrymandered the House districts
that the only way to get re-elected is to continue to lurch further and further
to the right.Immigration reform is a contradiction in terms for
extreme right wing obstructionists.
Lets think about this for a moment. You have liberals in the Media and
commenting here, who vote and support Democrat causes telling the GOP what they
should do to get more votes? What sense does that make? That is
like asking your worst enemy what you can do to defeat them, and expecting an
honest and workable response.The fact is that about 40% of the US
identifies themselves as conservative, 35% identify themselves as moderates, and
only 20% as liberal. The remaining don't know how to classify themselves.
(According to Gallup)So, if the GOP wants to win elections they need
to come up with a clear conservative message that will get the conservatives and
get 1/2 of the moderate vote. IF they could do that, they would win every
election. Instead we get GOP canidates that are just trying to out-Democrat the
Democrats. If they would offern an actual alternative, rather than saying
"I support that too", people might listen more.
I read an interesting article this morning that explains how this immigration
reform bill will have trouble in the House due to gerrymandering. There has been
a concerted effort to create Latino districts that are custom-made to bring
representation to Hispanics. The most extreme example is the 4th district in
Illinois.Great for the local Latinos but that makes it MORE difficult for
the reps in the more white districts to vote for amnesty bills. In other words,
all the votes are now concentrated within districts and there is no broad appeal
in the House to pass bills that only benefit Latinos.
The Republicans have become a negative force of backward thinking and
anti-progress. The world is changeling and the GOP needs to grow up to keep up
with a changing world. They can't grow by keeping their head in the sand.
@Bebyebe"GOP needs to evolve (pun intended) past Guns, God, Gays and
Abortion to become relevant again."I disagree. Every party
needs to continue to struggle with their views on these issues. They remain as
pertinent today as they ever were. As already posted, we hope each party deals
with certain issues because it is the right thing to do, not because it will get
them votes. Gridlock, perpetuated by various zealots on either side of the
aisle, doesn't pass the smell test to me. Washington seems to be a
one-trick pony. They seem only to be able to play one game, the "blame
game."I can see other issues though that could use some updating
in the GOP, the view on immigration for one. I personally don't see a
solution involving 10's of millions of people without some form of amnesty.
I have to trust there is a solution that makes sense. What it is, I'll
leave to smarter people than me. But I cannot see making them all go back to
Mexico as a practical, workable, and doable solution. But
that's just me. I understand those who don't agree with amnesty.
So it's the media's fault for reporting facts about conservative
justices overturning the voting rights act, voter suppression in conservative
states, racist comments by Paula Deen and Rush Limbaugh, inconsistent
enforcement of "stand your ground" laws. It's not the facts
themselves that bug minorities. It's the media's reporting of them.
One thing I have to give the Republican Party credit for and that was to kill
the Senate version of the bill as unconstitutional as it was. It took the wind
out of sails of the Democratic hopefuls to take their law to the supreme courts
and have it declared unconstitutional to make it possible to grant citizenship
without and due process or immigration controls.In other words, the
presidential candidates can put ballot boxes in every country of the world to
elect our president. Immigration is not about a party hopes and
wishes, we are talking about the rights of Americans and their own security in
their country. What is being revealed by all this tongue in cheek lies being
circulated is that there is nothing wrong with our immigration laws, they are
legal, binding, and written fairly and justly for the preservation and
soverignty of this nation. The only fault with the immigration laws
is no enforcement and no border control with prejudices. If anything should be
repealed is the NAFTA Treaty to repeal open borders for commerce and business.
Block all imports from all nations, that will create business and jobs for
manufacturers and consumers.
Are you serious? Efforts to get the Republican party back on a more moderate
course are really disguised liberal ploys to make Republicans more like the
I was in SLC on the day of this "march" ... the photos shows the
totality of the "demonstration" ... there wasn't one person more
there than is shown in this photo. It's disingenuous for Deseret News to
make this seem to be an important story. It was a bust ... and the article
should have said so.
GOP needs to evolve (pun intended) past Guns, God, Gays and Abortion to become
@ no fit in SGIf by "women's health" you mean the right
to an abortion. That is a euphemism for killing fetuses, much like any other
kind of killing. @2 bits"I would hope SOMEBODY out there
either does it because it's the right thing to do, or doesn't do it
because it's the right thing to do (NOT because it will get them
votes)."AGREED!Now if we were all on the same page
as to what's the right thing to do.
Oh, why won't they vote for us. We told them to....
Another attempt to run down the Republican party and force them into supporting
the toxic Senate bill on immigration.The media is obsessed with it.
The Republican party, in a round about way, is actually listening to the
citizens. That will get them more votes than the Democrata pandering to one
Better work towards trying to add new immigrants to the GOP.Woman are
leaving that political party in droves, and few females will find interest for
their health and political concerns within the ranks of the Republican party
Immigration Reform will do nothing to help the GOP. The people saying they
have to do it to win elections... are just tricking them.Even IF
they couldn't win any elections unless they do it... doesn't make it
the right thing to do. This may be shocking but... SOME people
aren't all about winning the next election at all costs and whether what
they do is right or wrong (as long as it gets them votes).The GOP is
probably just as bad at this as the Democrats, but I would hope SOMEBODY out
there either does it because it's the right thing to do, or doesn't do
it because it's the right thing to do (NOT because it will get them
votes).I think some sort of reform is probably "the right thing
to do". I just don't know if this is it. I would hope the right
thing to do would be to protect our borders first, and THEN design a plan for
the people stuck here illegally. But some people just think getting these
people a path to citizenship (so they can vote) is all that matters.
@1conservative"Could one of the democrats please explain why Obama
wants to add 20 million low-skilled workers to the workforce when we already
have 25-30% unemployment, especially as regards inner city blacks?"Illegal immigrants that are already here already have jobs, otherwise
they'd have gone back home (as some of them have, which is why illegal
immigration dropped to practically zero during the recession) so really just
about nobody is being added.
If Republicans go along with an amnesty plan for Hispanics, they will only be
increasing the Democrat party voting base. It's not rocket science to
understand that Hispanics have been solidly behind the Democrat party for
generations. That's not going to change anytime soon... no matter what. For
Republicans to appear as being coerced into this immigration plan involving a
form of amnesty is not going to change Hispanic attitudes or how they have been
voting.As stated in the article, Republicans would be much better
off re-galvanizing the White middle class vote than in helping the Democrats
obtain more Hispanic citizens to vote their way.
Could one of the democrats please explain why Obama wants to add 20 million
low-skilled workers to the workforce when we already have 25-30% unemployment,
especially as regards inner city blacks?I know that Obama lobbied
the unions to go along with his amnesty plan. But, why did they? Is
it true that Obama ONLY cares about 20 million new democratic voters, or is
there some other reason I'm not seeing?Once upon a time, long
long ago; the democratic party actually cared about the plight of working
Americans. When did that change?
ReaderHow about getting rid of the socialist Democrats who are now in
charge of running the country into unsustainable debt.And by the
way, the press does indeed have a lot of control of the American mind. People
get their information from some place. The mainstream media is just as
influential to the people who listen to it as is FOX news or Rush, ect. It is
just that the balance in the media is far too slanted to the liberal/Democrat
side. The liberal side is as much warped, as you put it, as any right wing
media. Just the facts my friend.
The press does not control the thoughts of the American public. They report the
facts and the American Public who are quite capable of thinking make up their
own mind. The thought that the press control the American public's
thought process is similar to Rush and the republican party being quite sure
Romney had the election in the bag. They listen to their own warped view of
reality (FOX news, Rush and the like)to understand what is going on in the minds
of the American public. Get rid of the American Taliban (T party) and the
Republican party can win again.
@TolstoySo are you implying that the mainstream news media does NOT
give more negative stories about Republicans than Democrats? If you believe
that then you are not aware of numerous studies that have shown the number of
negative stories vs positive stories for Republicans is unbalanced when compared
with what the Democrats get. The major media vote for and favor Democrats by a
huge margin. Just a fact my friend.
Why don’t you understand that We Republicans don’t care about
immigration reform. We care about getting reelected!
@scfansorry but they are not Republicans do just fine painting themselves
into those corners without any help from the media. At least know we know when
Romney made that comment about the 47% playing victim he was talking about his
The Republican Party will probably never get a majority of any minority vote,
largely because the media paints Republicans as anti this or that, or just plain
racist. What the Republicans need to do is find a way to get disgruntled
Democrats, (of which there should be plenty after Obama) and more so called
moderated middle voters to vote Republican. Even if the Republicans voted for
every social program that benefits minorities, and called for complete amnesty
for all illegals here, they would likely not get many more votes from those
communities, because the media will tell them that the Republicans are just
trying to buy their vote. There is a lot of the non-minority vote for the
Republicans to try for. However, no Republican would ever say that because it
would sound racist to say you are going for the white vote. It's OK to say
you are going for the minority vote, but not the majority vote. Funny
The attack on the republican party escalates. Haters are trying to force them to
cease to exist or to adopt dem vices.
I find the local stories about national politics to be amusing.In other
news, Gallup just released a survey that reveals the voting patterns of
Hispanics. The GOP doesn't have a chance. They like Obama, even after he
broke his "reform" promise. And the numbers aren't even close.
Latinos vote for the democrats 2 to 1. Even when you roll in the independents,
you still can't win.