"I like your idea but it is still going to accrue a large amount of cost.
Correct me if I am wrong but I am not all that sure Arizona's
Crime Rate, even with old Joe's system is all that low. I think it is
working to a point but not as well as expected."Well, duh, if
the feds would ever decide to actually clog the border crossing freeways then
Sheriff Joe would have room for lots of prisoners. Can you imagine the size of
his prison population if it was a cozy life? After all, isn't that what
'they' all came here for? /sarc
Yes, blame the victims in this crime. They shouldn't receive gifts or have
a reception in a church without security, perhaps even an armed guard. It's
like blaming sexual assault victims for being women.
Ah. Another cheeky jab at them Utah Mormons. A bit of s stretch to compare going
to a fight and church breaks out and a couple of slugs raiding the "Best
Wishes" basket at a reception.Oh, to be one of "the
chosen" who live outside of Utah....
RedShirtMit, JSB, MormonSean, ChrisB, & Eddie, Y'all are absolutely
Wow !!, Life is never dull going to Church in Utah. One week its a fight
breaking out over saved seats the next it it is a snatch-and-grab robbery at a
A friend of mine had this happen at her wedding about 6 months before mine. My
Dad made a 2ft X 2ft box with a slot in the top, wrapped it in wedding paper and
put a sign on it that said "place cards in here". It was too big to be
walked off with. I think it is sad that this is necessary. Makes you wonder
how many other weddings they have done this to and gotten away with it.
What may be considered rude in one place may not be rude in another.It has to do
with customs as much as other factors. To send gifts ahead of time might cause
inconvenience to the bride's mother, she might not have a place to store
them and they could be stolen there as well as at the reception. So it just
depends on the situation.In Utah, it is customary to bring gifts to the
wedding or reception. That doesn't make it rude. In fact it's quite
customary in many other places as well.
I was at this reception. There were not presents displayed. They were wrapped
presents from people who attended the reception. So there was no display of
"who got the most" prize. Reasonable Person. So when you do not know the
facts, please keep your thoughts to yourself. Also the car chase was not over
the speed limit. The newspaper makes it sound more than what really happened.
People do that at funerals read obituaries check yellow pages and go to houses
when they know who will be at funeral. Why do people do that kind of stuff?
Janet, I think that it is perfectly acceptable to stand for what is right, and
stand up to criminals. The wedding party were not extremists. Why let people
get away with this? What if it had been your wedding reception? I am sure you
would feel the same way.
"Ryan and Keosha Rasmussen are on a honeymoon cruise, making new
memories." :-)I bet they are!
How low can you get?
I'd fine them $1000 each and give it to the Bride and the Bridegroom
each.Let one failed marriage boost the financial future of a new
Thank you, Reasonable Person, for making my comment before I had a chance.
It's not nice to place the burden of carrying all those gifts home on the
bride and groom. Gifts should be delivered ahead of time. And Eddie, unless
you want to be like communist china, death sentences should not be used for
every day cases. In fact, having capital punishment on the table costs more
money. And you don't need to pluralize it either. Please stop.
As demonstrated here so clearly --- there are no easy answers. The national
welfare systems encourages abuse and long term need. Prisons are over
populated; often with teenagers who were sentenced as adults even though
evidence tells us that they are incapable of reasoning or understanding
consequences like adults. Furthermore, the bride and groom are partially to
blame for not following Miss Manners.
Keep these two cruds in Jail -- please!....and UTAHNS: it's
really bad manners to take gifts and display them on wedding reception tables
like some kind of "who got the most" prize.Wedding and engagement
gifts are supposed to be sent to the bride's address. See:
Miss Manners and any decent (non-Utah published) etiquette book.
One other ways of saving money and making more room in our prisons is to carry
out the death sentence's. Why not, that is the law! Can you imagine what
would happen if we were to carry out these sentence's ? And then carry them
out quickly in the future. I believe the crime rate would go down...knowing that
the law was going to be carried out. Let's make room by treating these
people like the criminals that they are!
@sid,There is a strong correlation/causation between people having
spent time in jail and being on welfare before/after.So whether
we're paying for these people to live in jail, or outside, we're
likely paying for it.
If a criminal is not a threat to the safety of society, sentence him wear an
electronic device that keeps track of them. Then restrict their travel (such as
he cannot leave the county for any reason) or they will then go to prison for
the duration of their sentence. A lot of people could then be released prison
thus reducing the costs of keeping them in prison. The Arizona example is a good
one to follow for those who are guilty of violent crimes or who tamper with the
electronic device or leave their restricted area.
Wow! What if one of the thieves had been armed? What if the people chasing the
thieves' car had crashed and serious or fatal injury had resulted? Not all
of the stupidity came from the criminals. Also, you think prison is easy? Try
it. And when you start touting Joe Arpaio and Arizona's extremism,
I'm outta here.
@ RedshirtMIT:I like your idea but it is still going to accrue a
large amount of cost. Correct me if I am wrong but I am not all
that sure Arizona's Crime Rate, even with old Joe's system is all that
low. I think it is working to a point but not as well as expected.
@RedShirtMIT - I'm with you. Prisons life is too posh. Bring back the
chain gangs and make criminals work to earn their keep.
I have a proposal. We need to clarify the meaning of "cruel and unusual
punishment". Requiring an able-bodied prisoner to be self-sufficient should
never fit into that category. It should not cost money to punish someone for the
crime. Otherwise we run the risk of a violent 10-20% minority completely defying
our laws and we will just not have the money to deal with it.
To "sid 6.7" just look to Arizona for an example. Put them in old
surplus army tents. Take away the cable TV, workout rooms, and all forms of
entertainment except a few books. Next, feed them just enough to live on and
have them wear prison uniforms that are embarrasing.That would cut
costs down significantly, and be hard enough that the criminals would do what
they could to stay out.
Chris B and the rest of the Conservatives:You guys are right. You
put all of these "low Life's" away with "harsh" sentences
and the Crime Rate will go down. Now that we are in agreement, how do you
propose we get the billions of dollars it would take to build the Prisons to
house these "low Life's"? If you haven't noticed we have a
bit of an overcrowding problem with our existing Prison System. We know you
Republicans would not want to take Federal money and add to the National Debt
and you certainly don't want to raise taxes.So now what? Maybe a nation wide Bake Sale might do the trick!
I'm glad they didn't get away with anything, this couple will have
@ E. Hindman,Of course there are political aspects of this. Most conservatives would favor these people getting 10 years in prison
for being such low lifes.Liberals think that "society failed
them" in their youth, that they weren't given enough opportunities in
life, and that a simple slap on the wrist will suffice.If our
sentences were much more severe, there would be less crime. Both because people
would be more afraid to commit crimes but also because repeat offenders
wouldn't be as possible - as they'd still be in Jail. To
liberals, it is probably Mitt Romney and Bush's fault for not giving all
their money to these people in the first place, thus requiring them to go find
money another way(by robbing a newlywed couple)
Wayne Rout - so now this is a political issue? You are indicating it is a
liberal issue in this ultra-red state?
"Muir did talk with officers, telling them at first that she was a friend of
the bride.'She unfortunately could not remember the name of the
bride, so that alerted our officers to her untruthfulness,' Barnes
said."-------------Can't remember the name of
her "friend". Yup! That's a good clue she's lying.
Multiple offenders should be in jail, not on the street. Liberals worry about
the criminals instead of the tax payers. Three strikes and you are in for life
is a great rule. There is little doubt that this pair will be stealing for the
rest of their life until someone puts them in jail for along time.
What a couple of low-lifes. I hope they receive the maximum penalty allowed for
The names of sex offenders are posted and the public can find out who these
people are. What's the matter with posting the names and other information
about other offenders. Maybe people would be less likely to commit crimes if
they knew that their record would be open to the public for the next few