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Published: Monday, July 15 2013 3:50 p.m. MDT

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Just Truth
Saratoga Springs, UT

Considering Top25 finishes, even in recent years, BYU comes to mind, not Utah. Hate to burst the Utah bubble but BYU is the national brand (not just a state school or west coast bottom-dweller)! Other Top25 teams likely don't fear either, as far as that argument goes. But ESPN respects a match-up of BYU vs. anyone, over very likely U of U losses(outside of maybe 2 years in the ESPN era). That's credibility!

backpacn
Sandy, UT

FatMan86

Top quality opponents respect BYU as a quality program with great fan support wherever they play. That's one of the reasons ESPN was so excited to create a partnership with BYU. The World Wide Leader had missed televising BYU games while the Cougars were banished to The MTN, so it wasn't at all surprising to see ESPN sign BYU to an 8-year contract at the same time BYU announced its Independence.

Despite the clueless naysaying from those living under that crimson bubble on the hill, BYU's national brand was the key to BYU's partnership with ESPN.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@LonestarRunner
"Most of BYU's Seniors already beaten the Utes (in 2009), and will be looking to even the score with another win in a couple of months:"

I was going to say redshirting doesn't really count since they aren't even playing but then I remembered the whole mission matter so I guess some of them played that year.

@BlueHusky
"These boards are parochial. Outside of Utah, nobody cares about the University of Utah and Utah State. BYU? I've seen a BYU sticker on a car in Manila. "

Outside of Utah nobody would care about BYU if it was a state school, the only reason it has the audience reach it does is because it's the LDS school.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Solomon Levi

Since when is being compared to Boise St. a bad thing? They have been nothing short of dominant the last decade. Also, the band "incident" he referred to was an honest mistake. There was no disrespect intended.

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

Its funny how wins against quality opponents are always considered meaningless by the anti-fans. BYU has beat plenty of quality programs over the years, and usually when they have that team stumbles the rest of the time due to the physicality of the game. The same thing happened when the Utes beat Michigan. Michigan didn't recover just as Oklahoma didn't heal when the Cougars came into town and beat them .

Utah has had far fewer big out of conference wins than the Cougars. MOST of the top ten greatest victories for the program were wins against BYU.

The great news is that any of the three teams if they do well this year can say that they beat a solid team considering the schedule.

Here is my challenge for fans of Utah, BYU and USU. Give me your five biggest wins in your program's history.

Truth Machine
Salt Lake City, UT

Two For Flinching

From a little-school-that-could perspective, being compared to Boise St is a good thing for U.

From a national perspective that fans of National Championship and Heisman Trophy winning programs like Notre Dame and BYU have, bcs bowl winners are small potatoes.

That's certainly what Notre Dame fan ND95KC was thinking when he said:

"Call me when your Utes... win a trophy that's worth something."

GoRed
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

This is the kind of article you see when there is absolutely nothing going on in the world of sports. So the editors of this newspaper try to create controversy by touching on the most sensitive buttons of the readers, namely the Utah-BYU rivalry. Add to this, several posts by mostly pro-BYU, anti-Utah fans, and there you have it.

Atrix
Vancouver, WA

I just moved to Pac-12 Country here in Washington and anyone who follows sports knows BYU. Whenever I bring up the Utes (Since it is Pac-12 country) I get the strangest looks. I meet non-mormon people all the time who are big fans of Steve Young and other BYU greats. Their tradition and Jimmer are the top two things locals always bring up when I mention I'm a BYU fan.

Whoa Nellie
American Fork, UT

This is so cool; an article about comments about articles that result in lots of comments. I just have to make a comment about it. This experience is so awesome I just had to come on here today and make a comment. I testify that my comment is true. It just feels so right. . .

On second thought, I have no comment about the comments.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@atl

"Outside of Utah nobody would care about BYU if it was a state school, the only reason it has the audience reach it does is because it's the LDS school."

Huh? That doesn't even make any sense. BYU IS NOT a common old state school. They are a wealthy top notch private university with a world wide following. All schools have the followings they have for a reason and in BYU's case it is because it is the flagship university, and one of the most important institutions, of a worldwide church with millions of members.

You can have angst and lament the reasons why BYU has what it has in comparison to an average run of the mill state school like utah, but it matters not. BYU has it, utah does not. BYU is important to millions of people all over the world and utah is not. Just the way it is.

STuFOO
Korea, AE

Too funny.

u fans get the truth from Blue Husky and then they claim that it is only because he hangs out with LDS people.

Weak.

I can second almost everything he says as I have traveled all over the world for work.

No one cares about utah. But, there are people who know about BYU EVERYWHERE.

And no, its not all about being LDS.

I have been in many a bar watching BYU on TV. I was even in a bar and caught a BYU game on BYUTV because some opposing teams fans were watching.

There is no comparison of a legacy program with TONS of recognition and the little school on the hill in SL County. the u doesn't compare, not at all.

Granite Flats Rules
Sacramento, CA

"No one cares about utah. But, there are people who know about BYU EVERYWHERE."

Obviously there are people that care about the U of U, otherwise the school wouldn't exist. By "no one," you mean you don't care. And that's fine by me. If we look deep down, though, you DO care or else you wouldn't bother posting about it, what with all your world travel exploits.

And, yes, it is mainly LDS people that care about BYU and little else. I don't hear any mention of BYU outside of LDS people in NorCal. I've lived abroad, as well, as a BYU student and when we mentioned the school we were with we got nothing but blank looks from the people.

"I have been in many a bar watching BYU on TV. I was even in a bar and caught a BYU game on BYUTV because some opposing teams fans were watching."

Exactly. They were watching the OTHER team as you, yourself, stated. Where was this? My guess is Idaho.

The reality is that neither Utah or BYU has much impact in college sports. Sorry.

STuFOO
Korea, AE

Granite Flats Rules

"And, yes, it is mainly LDS people that care about BYU and little else."

You couldn't be more wrong. Its funny that u fans can't accept BYU's dominance in respect and viability. But hey, in ALL your world travels how much did you talk to others who are NOT LDS?

The bar was in Spain and there were plenty of people who were watching the game who were fans of both teams. Like that would make any difference to the argument. When was the last time you could catch a utah game in Spain? Pretty sure the regional channels that carry utah football don't reach there.

Finally, "The reality is that neither Utah or BYU has much impact in college sports."

So the creation of a system to keep BYU and others out of national championships was nothing? Quarterback U is nothing? 10 win season that are talked about by sports caster is nothing? the experiment of independence is nothing? having our players on the cover of the PAC 12 college football guide is nothing?

You are right about one thing, utah has no impact on college sports in any sport.

RedUtes08
West Jordan, UT

The scriptures say: "Wo, wo, wo to those (or who think they are;))the wise, and the learned, and the rich, that are puffed up in the pride of their hearts."

These comment boards are so dilusional with Pride on both sides of the argument. These same arguments were on the articles 2 weeks ago! does anybody get sick of arguing the same thing over and over again?? Can't we all be friends!?!?

As a die hard Ute Fan through and through, I am able (in good conscience) root for my Running Utes and also hope for the Y to do good in most other games (besides of course against the Utes and other teams i cheer for)

Proud to be a Ute!!

Granite Flats Rules
Sacramento, CA

"how much did you talk to others who are NOT LDS?"

Almost exclusively. I speak Italian fluently and I was in Italy (with BYU) as I mentioned previously. When I did converse with Italians there were lots of blank stares when I mentioned I was there as a BYU student.

"The bar was in Spain and there were plenty of people who were watching the game who were fans of both teams."

I don't believe that for a second. Even if it were true, one isolated story does not mean that BYU has a strong international presence.

“So the creation of a system to keep BYU and others out of national championships was nothing?”

So you’re admitting that ‘84 was a sham?

“the experiment of independence is nothing?”

Yes, it’s nothing. ND has been doing it for years and been far more successful at it, I might add.

BYU AND Utah do not have nearly the impact on college sports that the fans think they do. As a world traveler I thought you would have discovered this, but apparently you are blinded by your fan goggles.

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@Granite Flats Rules "Even if it were true, one isolated story does not mean that BYU has a strong international presence."

Maybe not. But the fact that BYUtv can be seen worldwide in over 200 countries, and the fact that there are more members of the church outside of the U.S. than inside would suggest that BYU's international presence is stronger than 99% of the other DI universities here in the U.S.

Also, from the BYUtv website in an article dated November 28, 2011 ("A Small World After All") we find this gem: "For instance, since January 2011, BYUtv.org has received over 2.8 million visits from people in 211 countries and territories."

So in 10 months, nearly 3 million people had visited BYUtv.org, the vast majority to watch programming the article later states.

So people are definitely aware of BYU outside of the U.S.

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@Granite Flats Rules

Also, I had the opportunity to work in an art gallery in Santa Fe for a summer. We had people from all over the country (and some internationally) come in to buy artwork. Hardly any of them were LDS, but whenever I talked to them and mentioned that I was from Utah and attending school at BYU, the vast majority would immediately say "The Jimmer's school!" Others would talk about Brandon Davies, and some of the older people I talked to would bring up Steve Young or Ty Detmer.

I also talked to a couple of Texas fans who knew that BYU was coming to play down in Texas and were excited for the match-up.

Does everybody know about BYU? Of course not, but a lot of people do, and a lot more than U are giving credit for.

Go Cougars!

Granite Flats Rules
Sacramento, CA

truecoug1,

This might shock you, but many people want BYUtv for reasons other than sports. For most, the other reasons they want it far outweigh the sports. I cenrtainly don't have it for BYU sports. Shocking, I know.

"So people are definitely aware of BYU outside of the U.S."

Yes, LDS people in other parts of the world know BYU. It's the people that aren't LDS that don't. Incidentally, that's the majority of the people.

And I agree that Jimmer, Steve Young, and Ty Detmer were all greats at BYU (just like Alex Smith, Andrew Bogut (Australian), Eric Weddle were at Utah), but in terms of an overall impact to college athletics, BYU and Utah don't matter at a national level.

Uncle Rico
Provo, UT

We all decide to ignore President Uchtdorfs talk (it has only been a couple of years)

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@Granite Flats Rules "This might shock you, but many people want BYUtv for reasons other than sports."

So do I. Not sure what your point is. U were claiming that BYU doesn't have a strong international presence. I simply showed that they do, and U haven't said or shown anything to refute that.

"Yes, LDS people in other parts of the world know BYU. It's the people that aren't LDS that don't."

And how could U possibly know that? Can U show me actual proof that the 3 million international people who tuned into BYUtv programming during that 10-month span were all LDS? Can U show me proof that the people around the world who happen to see BYU athletics in bars, or in internet cafe's, or other areas of the world are all LDS?

There are plenty of non-LDS people in the U.S. and outside of it that know about BYU. I'm not sure what your agenda is here, but quit trying to stir the pot, especially since U have absolutely zero quantifiable data to support your claim.

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