@Granite Flats Rules "but in terms of an overall impact to college
athletics, BYU and Utah don't matter at a national level."What? BYU is one of a handful of programs with a national championship in
football, Heisman trophy winner, and consensus national player of the year in
basketball, not to mention competing for national championships in volleyball,
track and field, and rugby. ESPN recently ranked BYU as a top 25 most
prestigious program in college football, and Athlon had them at #25 in their Top
College Football dynasties list.Utah was the original BCS-buster and
made headlines by dominating Alabama in the Sugar Bowl in 2008. CBS Sports
recently ranked them as a Top 10 program during the BCS era, their basketball
program is considered a Top 25 Program of All Time by several media outlets (NBC
Sports, Rant Sports, etc), and their gymnastics program is a perennial
contender.So again, I'm not sure what your agenda is in trying
to minimize both of these universities, but I fail to see how neither of these
universities matter on a national level in collegiate athletics.Go
@Granite Flats Rules "This might shock you, but many people want BYUtv for
reasons other than sports."So do I. Not sure what your point
is. U were claiming that BYU doesn't have a strong international presence.
I simply showed that they do, and U haven't said or shown anything to
refute that."Yes, LDS people in other parts of the world know
BYU. It's the people that aren't LDS that don't." And how could U possibly know that? Can U show me actual proof that the 3
million international people who tuned into BYUtv programming during that
10-month span were all LDS? Can U show me proof that the people around the
world who happen to see BYU athletics in bars, or in internet cafe's, or
other areas of the world are all LDS?There are plenty of non-LDS
people in the U.S. and outside of it that know about BYU. I'm not sure
what your agenda is here, but quit trying to stir the pot, especially since U
have absolutely zero quantifiable data to support your claim.
We all decide to ignore President Uchtdorfs talk (it has only been a couple of
truecoug1,This might shock you, but many people want BYUtv for
reasons other than sports. For most, the other reasons they want it far outweigh
the sports. I cenrtainly don't have it for BYU sports. Shocking, I
know."So people are definitely aware of BYU outside of the
U.S."Yes, LDS people in other parts of the world know BYU.
It's the people that aren't LDS that don't. Incidentally,
that's the majority of the people.And I agree that Jimmer,
Steve Young, and Ty Detmer were all greats at BYU (just like Alex Smith, Andrew
Bogut (Australian), Eric Weddle were at Utah), but in terms of an overall impact
to college athletics, BYU and Utah don't matter at a national level.
@Granite Flats RulesAlso, I had the opportunity to work in an art
gallery in Santa Fe for a summer. We had people from all over the country (and
some internationally) come in to buy artwork. Hardly any of them were LDS, but
whenever I talked to them and mentioned that I was from Utah and attending
school at BYU, the vast majority would immediately say "The Jimmer's
school!" Others would talk about Brandon Davies, and some of the older
people I talked to would bring up Steve Young or Ty Detmer.I also
talked to a couple of Texas fans who knew that BYU was coming to play down in
Texas and were excited for the match-up.Does everybody know about
BYU? Of course not, but a lot of people do, and a lot more than U are giving
credit for.Go Cougars!
@Granite Flats Rules "Even if it were true, one isolated story does not mean
that BYU has a strong international presence."Maybe not. But
the fact that BYUtv can be seen worldwide in over 200 countries, and the fact
that there are more members of the church outside of the U.S. than inside would
suggest that BYU's international presence is stronger than 99% of the other
DI universities here in the U.S.Also, from the BYUtv website in an
article dated November 28, 2011 ("A Small World After All") we find this
gem: "For instance, since January 2011, BYUtv.org has received over 2.8
million visits from people in 211 countries and territories." So in 10 months, nearly 3 million people had visited BYUtv.org, the vast
majority to watch programming the article later states.So people are
definitely aware of BYU outside of the U.S.
"how much did you talk to others who are NOT LDS?"Almost
exclusively. I speak Italian fluently and I was in Italy (with BYU) as I
mentioned previously. When I did converse with Italians there were lots of blank
stares when I mentioned I was there as a BYU student."The bar
was in Spain and there were plenty of people who were watching the game who were
fans of both teams."I don't believe that for a second. Even
if it were true, one isolated story does not mean that BYU has a strong
international presence. “So the creation of a system to keep
BYU and others out of national championships was nothing?”So
you’re admitting that ‘84 was a sham?“the
experiment of independence is nothing?” Yes, it’s
nothing. ND has been doing it for years and been far more successful at it, I
might add.BYU AND Utah do not have nearly the impact on college
sports that the fans think they do. As a world traveler I thought you would have
discovered this, but apparently you are blinded by your fan goggles.
The scriptures say: "Wo, wo, wo to those (or who think they are;))the wise,
and the learned, and the rich, that are puffed up in the pride of their
hearts." These comment boards are so dilusional with Pride on
both sides of the argument. These same arguments were on the articles 2 weeks
ago! does anybody get sick of arguing the same thing over and over again??
Can't we all be friends!?!? As a die hard Ute Fan through and
through, I am able (in good conscience) root for my Running Utes and also hope
for the Y to do good in most other games (besides of course against the Utes and
other teams i cheer for)Proud to be a Ute!!
Granite Flats Rules"And, yes, it is mainly LDS people that care
about BYU and little else."You couldn't be more wrong. Its
funny that u fans can't accept BYU's dominance in respect and
viability. But hey, in ALL your world travels how much did you talk to others
who are NOT LDS?The bar was in Spain and there were plenty of people
who were watching the game who were fans of both teams. Like that would make
any difference to the argument. When was the last time you could catch a utah
game in Spain? Pretty sure the regional channels that carry utah football
don't reach there.Finally, "The reality is that neither
Utah or BYU has much impact in college sports."So the creation
of a system to keep BYU and others out of national championships was nothing?
Quarterback U is nothing? 10 win season that are talked about by sports caster
is nothing? the experiment of independence is nothing? having our players on
the cover of the PAC 12 college football guide is nothing?You are
right about one thing, utah has no impact on college sports in any sport.
"No one cares about utah. But, there are people who know about BYU
EVERYWHERE."Obviously there are people that care about the U of
U, otherwise the school wouldn't exist. By "no one," you mean you
don't care. And that's fine by me. If we look deep down, though, you
DO care or else you wouldn't bother posting about it, what with all your
world travel exploits.And, yes, it is mainly LDS people that care
about BYU and little else. I don't hear any mention of BYU outside of LDS
people in NorCal. I've lived abroad, as well, as a BYU student and when we
mentioned the school we were with we got nothing but blank looks from the
people. "I have been in many a bar watching BYU on TV. I was
even in a bar and caught a BYU game on BYUTV because some opposing teams fans
were watching."Exactly. They were watching the OTHER team as
you, yourself, stated. Where was this? My guess is Idaho.The
reality is that neither Utah or BYU has much impact in college sports. Sorry.
Too funny.u fans get the truth from Blue Husky and then they claim
that it is only because he hangs out with LDS people.Weak.I can second almost everything he says as I have traveled all over the world
for work.No one cares about utah. But, there are people who know
about BYU EVERYWHERE.And no, its not all about being LDS.I have been in many a bar watching BYU on TV. I was even in a bar and caught
a BYU game on BYUTV because some opposing teams fans were watching.There is no comparison of a legacy program with TONS of recognition and the
little school on the hill in SL County. the u doesn't compare, not at all.
@atl"Outside of Utah nobody would care about BYU if it was a
state school, the only reason it has the audience reach it does is because
it's the LDS school."Huh? That doesn't even make any
sense. BYU IS NOT a common old state school. They are a wealthy top notch
private university with a world wide following. All schools have the followings
they have for a reason and in BYU's case it is because it is the flagship
university, and one of the most important institutions, of a worldwide church
with millions of members.You can have angst and lament the reasons
why BYU has what it has in comparison to an average run of the mill state school
like utah, but it matters not. BYU has it, utah does not. BYU is important to
millions of people all over the world and utah is not. Just the way it is.
This is so cool; an article about comments about articles that result in lots of
comments. I just have to make a comment about it. This experience is so awesome
I just had to come on here today and make a comment. I testify that my comment
is true. It just feels so right. . .On second thought, I have no
comment about the comments.
I just moved to Pac-12 Country here in Washington and anyone who follows sports
knows BYU. Whenever I bring up the Utes (Since it is Pac-12 country) I get the
strangest looks. I meet non-mormon people all the time who are big fans of Steve
Young and other BYU greats. Their tradition and Jimmer are the top two things
locals always bring up when I mention I'm a BYU fan.
This is the kind of article you see when there is absolutely nothing going on in
the world of sports. So the editors of this newspaper try to create controversy
by touching on the most sensitive buttons of the readers, namely the Utah-BYU
rivalry. Add to this, several posts by mostly pro-BYU, anti-Utah fans, and
there you have it.
Two For FlinchingFrom a little-school-that-could perspective, being
compared to Boise St is a good thing for U.From a national
perspective that fans of National Championship and Heisman Trophy winning
programs like Notre Dame and BYU have, bcs bowl winners are small potatoes.That's certainly what Notre Dame fan ND95KC was thinking when he
said: "Call me when your Utes... win a trophy that's worth
Its funny how wins against quality opponents are always considered meaningless
by the anti-fans. BYU has beat plenty of quality programs over the years, and
usually when they have that team stumbles the rest of the time due to the
physicality of the game. The same thing happened when the Utes beat Michigan.
Michigan didn't recover just as Oklahoma didn't heal when the Cougars
came into town and beat them .Utah has had far fewer big out of
conference wins than the Cougars. MOST of the top ten greatest victories for
the program were wins against BYU.The great news is that any of the
three teams if they do well this year can say that they beat a solid team
considering the schedule.Here is my challenge for fans of Utah, BYU
and USU. Give me your five biggest wins in your program's history.
@ Solomon LeviSince when is being compared to Boise St. a bad thing?
They have been nothing short of dominant the last decade. Also, the band
"incident" he referred to was an honest mistake. There was no
@LonestarRunner"Most of BYU's Seniors already beaten the Utes (in
2009), and will be looking to even the score with another win in a couple of
months:"I was going to say redshirting doesn't really count
since they aren't even playing but then I remembered the whole mission
matter so I guess some of them played that year.@BlueHusky"These boards are parochial. Outside of Utah, nobody cares about the
University of Utah and Utah State. BYU? I've seen a BYU sticker on a car in
Manila. "Outside of Utah nobody would care about BYU if it was a
state school, the only reason it has the audience reach it does is because
it's the LDS school.
FatMan86Top quality opponents respect BYU as a quality program with
great fan support wherever they play. That's one of the reasons ESPN was so
excited to create a partnership with BYU. The World Wide Leader had missed
televising BYU games while the Cougars were banished to The MTN, so it
wasn't at all surprising to see ESPN sign BYU to an 8-year contract at the
same time BYU announced its Independence.Despite the clueless
naysaying from those living under that crimson bubble on the hill, BYU's
national brand was the key to BYU's partnership with ESPN.
Considering Top25 finishes, even in recent years, BYU comes to mind, not Utah.
Hate to burst the Utah bubble but BYU is the national brand (not just a state
school or west coast bottom-dweller)! Other Top25 teams likely don't fear
either, as far as that argument goes. But ESPN respects a match-up of BYU vs.
anyone, over very likely U of U losses(outside of maybe 2 years in the ESPN
era). That's credibility!
Blue Husky- sounds like you are out of it (the country) alot. Also sounds like
your world revolves around whatever LDS congregation is in the area you are in.
Of course the local wards know the BYU brand, but realistically outside of
membership ranks BYU is either unknown or insignificant. Read multiple articles
in D-News talking about BYU recruits who aren't LDS and they say that they
hadn't heard about BYU until they were recruited. Just look at BYU bowl
ratings. Not exactly a national passion. BYU visability will grow at the same
rate as church membership growth increases. And that's ok. Some of us see
our membership in the the church and BYU football as two very different things.
I like the headline claiming "comment board explodes" as if this was a
rare occurance. It is just more of what goes on around here all of the time,
nothing "explosive" about it. Very funny LOL.
@BlueHuskyAnd how much of your experience relates to Mormons outside
of Utah?All of it?LOL!
@Solomon Levi,Again you are confusing the visibility and recognition
of BYU with respect. Just because they know who you are, doesn't mean they
fear you or your program. BYU has very few quality wins in recent
years. Top programs nationally have no reluctance in scheduling BYU because
they know there is a high probability of getting a W.All that other
stuff is just fluff.
I've lived in a lot of states in every region of the country and everywhere
I've been everybody knows who the Utah Utes are and nobody's ever
heard of byu. lol.
Solomon LeviThere will always be knuckheads in every fan base, but
boorish fan behavior is definitely more prevalent amongst the crimson crowd.
For sure, the comments on these boards are amusing. I've lived in Oregon,
Washington, California, Utah, Connecticut, Virginia and Nebraska. I've
worked in nearly every state, western Europe, India, China, Japan, Indonesia,
Philippines, Jamaica, Brazil and a couple more ... I've been around a bit.
I was living in Omaha in 1984. People noticed BYU then, for sure.These boards are parochial. Outside of Utah, nobody cares about the University
of Utah and Utah State. BYU? I've seen a BYU sticker on a car in Manila. I
sat with a group of friends in Virginia watching a BYU-Penn State game.
I've been seeing BYU in bowl games nearly every year since 1976. Almost
every year a national TV game featured a BYU game. Texas, Notre Dame, Penn
State. Now BYU plays a national schedule every year.The only Utah
team known by anyone outside of Utah is BYU. And that will continue to be the
SoonerUteActual quote from a Notre Dame fan on a CBS sports blog re:
Utah and BYU fans:"ND95KC: I think Red801 might need to travel
more or move out of the 801 area code for the 1st time in his life. BYU was
relevant long before his Utes ever were and have consistently been so for 30
years. I'm a Notre Dame alum and fan and was absolutely baffled by the
crowd Utah brought to our game last fall. There I was, expecting to meet a
humble, respectable crowd akin to the crowds we have seen when BYU has visited
over the years. Utah comes to town and shows an arrogance I haven't seen
since Miami in the 80's (at least Miami had national titles). Even their
band was disrespectful. And for what? Two bowl victories? C'mon Red, you
can do better than that. Call me when your Utes (what is a Ute anyway?) win a
trophy that's worth something. Until then, all you are is Boise State."
I used to think BYU fans limited their ugly comments to Utah and USU fans; bad
feelings brought out by long time rivalries. But check out the national boards
sometime. BYU fans aren't shy about taking that ugliness to jab at
Virginia fans, Texas fans, anyone on their schedule. Opposing fans don't
get why BYU fans take their comments to such a low level. I guess I'm numb
to it, but seeing those fan reactions make you wonder... what's happened to
sportsmanship at BYU? The school doesn't want negative exposure like that.
@ Chris B"Mark it DownI won't post on byu
articles all year if byu wins"I'll say it again, when BYU
beats Utah this year do us all a favor a don't comment until they play
again in 2016.
@StrikerRespect nationally and willingness to schedule are 2
different things. Trust me, USC doesn't schedule USU because they truly
respect them. They schedule them because they know there is a high likelihood
of coming away with a W.Texas and Wisconsin schedule BYU for the
same reason. Michigan schedules Utah for the same reason. Outside
of Utah, BYU and Utah both have limited (or no) respect. Utah had it once but
has lost all credibility with their PAC 12 results.Fair or not, the
only thing that will change the outside lack of respect are wins against quality
Alright, I got quoted! See, even the DN loves my comments about getting dropped
only to be added by the big boys of Notre Dame, Nebraska, and Texas!"#2, The ESPN deal, BYU's history, and it's national following
does not translate into nationwide respect either. Interest yes, but respect
no"So Utah drops BYU and adds Fresno because they don't
respect BYU? Utah doesn't respect the rivalry, and scheduling Fresno
instead demonstrates that. You don't get other teams like Wisconsin,
Boise, Virginia schools, Texas, Arizona and USC to schedule you if they
don't respect you. East Coast to West Coast and North to South are
scheduling BYU. That's interest and respect.
All 3 teams have intriguing schedules and BYU has a better schedule than the
last 3 years. I'm amazed at anyone that questions that Utah has the hardest
schedule. Everyone has forgotten that the possibility of scheduling Stanford,
USC, Oregon or really either of the Arizona schools would have been unheard of
in the past. Maybe one of them (if they were expected to be in a rebuilding
mode) but never more than one a season and now all of them ARE the season. The
real challenge is that not only have the Arizona schools vastly improved over
the last 2 years but so have Oregon State and UCLA. Has anyone noticed that
according to at least 2 prominent pre-season rating groups that Utah will be
playing 7 PAC-12 teams rated higher than BYU or Utah. Utah State is much better
than their preseason rating and will be very difficult for either BYU or Utah.
That leaves Weber State, Washington State and Colorado as less difficult games.
BYU plays Virginia, MidTennessee, Houston, Idaho State, and Nevada all rated #62
or worse. I'm just saying hope for the best for all Utah teams. It's
going to be tough!
There are 2 major flaws among the obsessive Ute and Cougar faithful on these
comment boards:#1, Utah does not have it made, nor are they
respected nationally just because they are in the PAC 12. It's just not
there, and if you think it is, then you really need to get out of Utah more.
The Utes had way more respect when they were in the Mtn West and regularly
beating Pac 10 teams (as well as winning BCS games). This has reversed
considerably now that they are in the Pac 12 and the losses have begun to pile
up. #2, The ESPN deal, BYU's history, and it's national
following does not translate into nationwide respect either. Interest yes, but
respect no. Outside of the Oklahoma win 4 years ago, BYU wins are scarce
against really competitive programs. The reason BYU has been able to come up
with such great schedules in independence is that big time programs aren't
nervous to schedule them. Big time teams avoid Boise St like the plague because
they are scared of an L. BYU, not so much.You have to get it done
on the field.
I thought that most people knew that the Des News writes articles almost
exclusively to get comments. They never miss an opportunity to get the fans
jabbing each other. They are the #1 group who is most disappointed in the
rivalry taking a break and cooling down a bit for 2 years.
ChristyMost of BYU's Seniors already beaten the Utes (in 2009),
and will be looking to even the score with another win in a couple of months:BYU 31Utah 14Here's how things will really play
out:BYU 10-3USU 8-5Utah 4-8Mark it down!
I can't wait for the fourth annual flock migration to Tulsa on 9/21!
Silence will be golden!Where is Fangupo??Go Utes!
Onward and Upward!!
I was going to try to post something funny, but there are already three posts
from Chris B.Anyway .....Go Utes!! Go KW, BJ, KS, DE,
Here is how things will play outUtah 8-4USU 8-4byu
7-6Mark it Down!
Ute seniors will sweep the byu seniors 4-0 in the careers.Utah 30byu 14Mark it DownI won't post on byu articles
all year if byu wins.I've made the same promise the last 3
years.I'll be posting all year.Ute seniors SWEEP!