Comments about ‘BYU football: Will BYU's 2013 schedule be the toughest in school history?’

Return to article »

Published: Monday, July 15 2013 6:15 p.m. MDT

Comments
  • Oldest first
  • Newest first
  • Most recommended
Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Bottom Line Metric of Success

There are two iconic trophies representing the epitome of individual and team major college football success:

the Heisman Trophy and the Crystal Football National Championship Trophy

Both trophies rest proudly in BYU's Sports Hall of Fame.

---------------

It's laughable that Utah fans would belittle BYU fans for celebrating a win over 3rd ranked Oklahoma, especially after Utah fans threw themselves a parade for finishing 2nd and 4th earlier that same year.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

upinthenight

Unlike Utah, BYU has actually beaten big name teams like Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Texas, Penn St, and Miami.

The only that's changed for Utah since joining the PAC, is now the Utes are riding USC's coat tails instead of BYU's.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@truecoug1

Yep, and they also have such powerhouses as Duke and Minnesota ranked higher than the Utes.

Which only proves my point. A legacy program is built over decades of success, not just a flash-in-the-pan four year stretch of two BCS wins.

-------------

What's your point that BYU is as irrelevant as Duke, Minnesota, and Colorado in the BCS era? If so then I agree with you. If your claiming to be a legacy program today then I disagree.

Here's why, other prestigious rankings:

#25 BYU
#27 Pittsburgh
#31 TCU
#34 Wisconsin
#38 Duke
#39 Army
#43 Utah
#45 Stanford

So not only is #25 BYU is a legacy "speed bump" for Utah but the other legacy "speed bump" we OWN is #27 Pitt.

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@Uteology "Cute is coming on Ute articles and pounding your chest about TCU, Boise, and now Colorado State."

I have no clue what you're even referring to here.

"Pathetic is telling everyone your a legacy program and then you dance in the streets, hug perfect strangers, lit off fireworks""

Isn't that what Ute fans did when the 16-18 Ute basketball team made the semis of the PAC tournament? :)

And I'm not sure why you're attempting to dog on BYU fans for that celebration. It was a big win over the #3 ranked team in the country. BYU wasn't supposed to win that game, OU came in with a lot of hype, and Sam Bradford was the front-runner for the Heisman coming into the season.

BYU fans aren't clairvoyant. Who knew that OU would finish 8-5 on the year? At the time, it was a great win over a hyped-up national championship contender.

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@Uteology "There is a difference between a article, blog post, and comments. Sorry to burst your bubble but this wasn't just an anonymous comment. The author of this blog post was listed in the article."

Lol, so? Like I said, you could start up a blog, write a post about what U think about BYU, put your first name down as the "author's" name (like this guy did) and then cite it in one of your next comments as an independent viewpoint, or source.

Point being that that guy has zero credibility. And I care about his opinion about as much as I care about yours.

Which is not at all.

I enjoy bantering with Ute fans to pass the time. It's the off-season, and I'm bored. But I fully understand that nothing I say will change your opinion about BYU, nor will anything U say change my opinion about the Cougars either.

BYU is a national brand, has a larger fan base, and is a more prestigious program than Utah. U can look to ESPN as your source for that.

Go Cougars!

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

Uteology

Athlon Magazine, an unbiased AND credible source, ranked BYU as one of the

Top 25 GREATEST COLLEGE FOOTBALL DYNASTIES

since the AP Poll debuted in 1934.

Boise State and TCU were included in the Best of the Rest.

Utah wasn't even mentioned.

-------------

Of the 1,053 AP polls

BYU has been ranked in 236 polls (22%)
Utah has been ranked in 77 polls (7%)

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@truecoug1

And I'm not sure why you're attempting to dog on BYU fans for that celebration. It was a big win over the #3 ranked team in the country

------------

That game wasn't any bigger than Application State a D2 program going on the road upsetting #5 Michigan.

You're a legacy program, with a national brand? That's what you tell us, right?

Do some research, please let us know if they had airport celebrations for a 1-0 "Quest".

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

Uteology

Athlon Magazine, an unbiased AND credible source, ranked BYU as one of the

Top 25 GREATEST COLLEGE FOOTBALL DYNASTIES

since the AP Poll debuted in 1934.

Boise State and TCU were included in the Best of the Rest.

Utah wasn't even mentioned.

----------------

So? Neither were teams like Oregon, Stanford, Auburn (2010 NC) mentioned.

#25 BYU is as relevant in the BCS era as #9 Army and #18 Minnesota.

Marked it Down
Park City, UT

Uteology

Athlon's "Dynasties" included every team and every season since 1934.

BYU's 1979 to 1985 Dynasty included SIX 11+ win seasons, FIVE Top 12 finishes, TWO Top 7 finishes, 7 conference championships, a consensus National Championship, and an overall record of 77-12 (87%).

oh, and, 7 straight wins versus the Utes by a combined score of 273-95, including 27-0, 56-6, and 56-28 back-to-back-to-back.

The Cougars accomplished far more during BYU's 7-year dynasty, than the Utes have accomplished during their entire 119-year history.

That's not hyperbole; that's a proven, documented fact.

Utah's flash-in-the-pan bcs success is already fading. The Utes have been in steady decline since 2008, with a 1-3 record versus BYU as their ONLY significant accomplishments.

btw, being a bottom dweller in a big boy conference is NOT an accomplishment - Vanderbilt, Duke, Northwestern, Iowa State, Indiana, Washington State, and many other football weaklings have been doing that for decades, with only very sporadic flashes of anything even remotely resembling a significant accomplishment.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

marked it down--

"BYU's 1979 to 1985 Dynasty included SIX 11+ win seasons, FIVE Top 12 finishes, TWO Top 7 finishes, 7 conference championships, a consensus National Championship, and an overall record of 77-12 (87%)."

What was 2-Star byu's SOS during each of these seasons?

2BCSWINS
West of I15, UT

@Y's little brother...."Pretty funny stuff. You pretend that Utah played the same level of competition in Utah's 10 of 11 bowl game wins. The truth is, most of Utah's wins were so unimpressive that the pollsters didn't even notice them."

I couldn't agree with you more Utah didn't play the same level of competition as the cougies during that bowl stretch. They played far greater competition and still came out with a 10 - 1 record while the cougies barley made it past .500

@uteanymous...."Unlike Utah, BYU has actually beaten big name teams like Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Texas, Penn St, and Miami."

So what? It does no good to beat a "big name team" unless that "big name team" is actually a good team.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

AZUTE:
If you look back on page 4 of comments, I addressed your BSU visiting Provo nonsense, and asked you a simple question in return. What happened last time Boise visited SLC...or anytime Utah has played Boise in this century? At least BYU has been competitive and earned Boise's resoect, while U have been nothing but a sparring partner for them. As usual you like to throw stones from a glass house.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

AZUTE:
"What was 2-Star byu's SOS during each of these seasons?"

The same as cellar dweller Utah's, the only difference? BYU actually became a legacy dynasty, while Utah accomplished nothing. See, AZUTE Boise and TCU had similar SOS as well, and they both got some ink and recognition while U didn't. With the same SOS BYU, Boise, and TCU did more than U and that's why they are recognized as dynasties, while U are not...deal with it.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

Cougsndawgs

"AZUTE:
If you look back on page 4 of comments, I addressed your BSU visiting Provo nonsense, and asked you a simple question in return. What happened last time Boise visited SLC...or anytime Utah has played Boise in this century? At least BYU has been competitive and earned Boise's resoect, while U have been nothing but a sparring partner for them. As usual you like to throw stones from a glass house."

I was looking at The U's '13 schedule and I didn't see where bsu was visiting S.L.C. to play against The U. Are you looking at a different schedule than I am, because I asked about bsu's last visit to provo precisely because I saw where they were coming back down there to provo in '13 to play another game against 2-Star byu.

Now, go back and look at the players bsu had against The U [i.e., Kellen Moore] and contrast them against the players they had against 2-Star byu. Also, what was The U/2-Star byu result in '10 when The U last played bsu?

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

"AZUTE:

'What was 2-Star byu's SOS during each of these seasons?'

The same as cellar dweller Utah's, the only difference? BYU actually became a legacy dynasty, while Utah accomplished nothing. See, AZUTE Boise and TCU had similar SOS as well, and they both got some ink and recognition while U didn't. With the same SOS BYU, Boise, and TCU did more than U and that's why they are recognized as dynasties, while U are not...deal with it."

The difference being that we don't claim a "dynasty" on the backs of weak-sauce schedules.

Regarding bsu and tcu, they as well as The U have actually done something during this current BCS Era, such as going to/winning multiple BCS Bowl Games. 2-Star byu hasn't even remotely sniffed a BCS Bowl Game, but rather just simply talk about games won against significantly weaker competition 3 decades + ago.

Not to mention, The U has unequivocally straight dominated 2-Star byu during this current BCS Era. It's not even remotely comparable.

Bleed Crimson
Sandy, Utah

@ Cougsndawgs

"At least BYU has been competitive and earned Boise's resoect, while U have been nothing but a sparring partner for them. As usual you like to throw stones from a glass house"

At least Utah has beaten Boise State, while BYU has to look at that goose egg on their series record with the Broncos.

Utah is 2-5 against Boise State
BYU is 0-3 against Boise State

BYU fans need to stop sugar coating their losses. A loss is a loss! Boise State owns both BYU and Utah. Boise State respects all their opponents and treats each game as a BIG game. That's why they're successful.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Bleed Crimson

"At least Utah has beaten Boise State, while BYU has to look at that goose egg on their series record with the Broncos."

Boise State was a D-1AA team the last time Utah beat them, the same level as Weber State, but thanks for the laugh.

BYU has suffered one blowout loss (during BYU's worst season in the last 50 years), and two 1-point losses at BSU.

Utah, by comparison, has been brutally curb-stomped by BSU in their only three games against a D-1A BSU.

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@Uteology, AZUTE1

So basically what you're saying is that nothing in college football before the BCS era should count? That college football basically only started during the BCS era, an "era" that lasted 15 years, has proven to be flawed, provided a split championship in 2003, and had college football fans everywhere clamoring for a better system that would allow more deserving teams a shot at the title (like Utah in 2008)?

Wow...how very closed-minded of you.

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@AZUTE1 "The U has unequivocally straight dominated 2-Star byu during this current BCS Era. It's not even remotely comparable."

Actually, it is.

Here are some stats for the two teams during the BCS era (since 1998):

BYU:

Record: 123-67
Conference Championships: 4
Bowl Games: 11
Total final Rankings (AP or Coaches): 6
Double digit win seasons: 6
Losing seasons: 3
BCS Bowls: 0
Record vs BCS teams: 19-24
Rivalry: 6-9
And just for U AZUTE1,
Average SOS: 61

Utah:

Record: 125-58
Conference Championships: 4
Bowl Games: 11
Total final Rankings (AP or Coaches): 5
Double-digit win seasons: 5
Losing seasons: 3
BCS Bowls: 2
Record vs BCS teams: 30-23
Average SOS: 66

I'd say that's very comparable. The biggest significant difference between the two teams has been the 2 undefeated seasons and and 2 BCS bowls, which gives Utah the edge. Also interesting to note that BYU's average SOS is 5 spots higher than Utah's.

So has Utah been better during the BCS era? Absolutely. Have they dominated BYU during this era so that it's not even comparable?

Nope.

I'll show U what that looks like in my next post.

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@AZUTE1

Here's a domination that's not even comparable, and why BYU is considered a national, legacy program, while Utah is still a small-time wannabe that keeps comparing itself to big brother BYU and uses beating BYU as its metric of success:

Modern Era of College Football: 1973-1997 (College football instituted the Divisions system in 1973, i.e. Division I, Division II, Division III)

BYU:

Record: 227-82-3
Conference Championships: 18
Bowl Game Appearances: 20
Total final rankings (AP or UPI/Coaches): 12
Double-digit win seasons: 10
Losing seasons: 1
National Championships: 1
Rivalry: 19-6

Utah:

Record: 138-146
Conference championships: 1
Bowl game appearances: 4
Total final rankings (AP or UPI/coaches): 1
Double-digit win seasons: 1
Losing seasons: 10
National Championships: 0
Rivalry: 6-19

That's not even remotely comparable.

to comment

DeseretNews.com encourages a civil dialogue among its readers. We welcome your thoughtful comments.
About comments