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Published: Monday, July 15 2013 6:15 p.m. MDT

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Y's little brother
Sandy, UT

2b

Utey fans are like groundhog's day, the same thing every year.

February - August: We're loaded with the greatest recruits in the history of mankind.

September: Conference championship hopes dashed, but we're in a "bcs" conference.

End of October: We never cared about being ranked or playing in a bowl game anyway, but we're still in a "bcs" conference.

December: Home for the Holidays watching BYU play in another bowl in San Diego, just like our WAC days.

LOL!

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

I see none of my questions posed on this thread yesterday were answered. How unfair!

I'll re-state them right here--

"We Utes saw this same, identical 'forecast of impending-doom' for Utah on the football field preceding the last 2 games played between the two, yet how did they both turn-out?

Regarding the certain to come '2-Star byu blow-out of Utah' predictions pre-game 2013 out of provo, please remind us all of what the final-margin has been during this century on the extremely rare occasion they've even managed to beat us?"

"Just out of curiosity, I believe I heard long ago that bsu had actually visited provo once previously for a game against 2-Star byu. Can anybody enlighten me as to how it turned-out? Final score? Break-down of how it actually played-out? Was it a regular knock-down, drag 'em out brawl type of a game? A genuine thriller? Anybody?"

Thanks in advance!

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@scott

One mediocre team beating up on an even more mediocre team in a bowl doesn't prove anything.

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Please stop!

During the BCS era:

36% of Utah's bowl opponents were ranked in the AP top 25
55% in the AP top 30

27% of BYU's bowl opponents were ranked in the AP top 25
36% in the AP top 30 (55% in top 35)

The difference, Utah went 10-1 (91%) and BYU 6-5 (55%).

According to BYU fans on these boards 6-5 is impressive and now you want to define 10-1 as mediocre?

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Y's little brother

* CBS Sports ranked Utah #10 team last decade, BYU #27.

* And here's another independent viewpoint:

“BYU’s history from the Cotton Bowl victory forward has been very pedestrian; no undefeated seasons, no BCS bowl games and most importantly no BCS Bowl game wins. The fact is this BYU’s football program has been just speed bump albeit higher than let’s say SDSU or UNLV in the road for the real power programs in the MWC; TCU and Utah. BYU at this point is New Mexico with better DVD history in terms of football success in this decade. Heck at this point WAC member, Hawaii has a better BCS bowl resume than BYU”

--- Source: BYU is sealing itself for a BCS Bowl

Ohhh smack!

P.S. Please let the author know that BYU is a perennial top 25, legacy program, with a national brand and make sure to list out all the individual awards from Edawards/Chow era.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

Y's little brother--

"AZUTE1

Largest margin of victory in the history of the rivalry: BYU 56-6"

I'm so utterly confused, as neither this above nor the remainder of your comment answers any of my questions! Please directly answer my specific questions!

Thanks so much in advance!

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

Uteology--

"@Y's little brother

* CBS Sports ranked Utah #10 team last decade, BYU #27.

* And here's another independent viewpoint:

“BYU’s history from the Cotton Bowl victory forward has been very pedestrian; no undefeated seasons, no BCS bowl games and most importantly no BCS Bowl game wins. The fact is this BYU’s football program has been just speed bump albeit higher than let’s say SDSU or UNLV in the road for the real power programs in the MWC; TCU and Utah. BYU at this point is New Mexico with better DVD history in terms of football success in this decade. Heck at this point WAC member, Hawaii has a better BCS bowl resume than BYU”

--- Source: BYU is sealing itself for a BCS Bowl

Ohhh smack!

P.S. Please let the author know that BYU is a perennial top 25, legacy program, with a national brand and make sure to list out all the individual awards from Edwards/Chow era."

Hysterical! Yet, my specific questions continue to go unanswered! Perhaps, you could step-in and answer them for our brethren down there in provo, instead?

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@Uteology "CBS Sports ranked Utah #10 team last decade, BYU #27"

And ESPN ranked BYU #25 in most prestigious College Football Programs of all-time. Utah checked in at #44.

No argument from me that Utah had a better decade than BYU. There should also be no argument for U that Utah is a small-time program that is still looking up to BYU, a fact made all the more apparent by Ute "fans" who come onto BYU boards and use beating BYU as your metric of success.

While that's cute, it's also kind of pathetic.

As for your other source...LOL! CollegeFootballCafeteria? A blog by a writer who is obviously very anti-BYU (I loved this line: " There are many programs that will not play the Cougars, there are programs that do not want to put their 18, 19 and 20 year olds against the 21, 22, 23 and 24 year-olds that dot the BYU roster, the term men vs. boys applies here." Classic!)

Why don't U put all of your comments from D News comment boards in a blog and use that next time as your "source"? It'd be just as credible, lol!

Go Cougars!

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@AZUTE1

I have no problem answering your questions:

1. The last two games against Utah turned out to be BYU losses.
2. The final margin of victory in BYU wins over Utah this century has been by a TD or less.
3. BSU blew out BYU to the tune of 50-12

Here are a couple questions of my own:
1. What bowl game did Utah go to last year?
2. What two programs in the PAC 12 finished 9th or worse in football, basketball, AND baseball last season? I'll give U a hint: one was WSU.
3. What happened the last time BSU came to Rice-Eccles and played Utah? What was the final score again?
4. Since U obviously think BYU is a worthless program, Y do U constantly compare Utah to BYU and use beating BYU as your metric of success?

Just curious.

Go Cougars!

2BCSWINS
West of I15, UT

@Y's little brother

Pretty funny stuff you act like Utah missing a bowl game one year is an every year thing. Since the BCS started utah and byu have been to the exact same amount of bowls. Only diffrence Utah 10 - 1 and the cougies 6 - 5 and thats with Utah's bowl games being more difficlut with two of them BCS games. I'm sure the cougie's only lost because of the refs, turnovers or becasue the other team wanted it more though....lol

As far as the rest of your post you didn't fool anybody. Everybody knows which fan base was out in droves in quest for perfection like Utah did twice already T'shirts....LOL

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

truecoug1--

"@AZUTE1

I have no problem answering your questions:

1. The last two games against Utah turned out to be BYU losses.
2. The final margin of victory in BYU wins over Utah this century has been by a TD or less."

And pertinent to '13, since bsu is visiting provo, yet again, truecoug1--

"3. BSU blew out BYU to the tune of 50-12"

Bingo! Thanks so very, very much!

p.s. As a general rule, I don't ever answer 100% Spin-based/Irrelevant questions! But thanks anyway for thinking of me! LOL

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@AZUTE1 "p.s. As a general rule, I don't ever answer 100% Spin-based/Irrelevant questions!"

No, U just ask them, lol!

And no worries, I never expected U to answer the questions. I would've been shocked if U had, to be honest, it would have been totally out of character.

Thanks for proving the hypocrite as always, AZUTE! U never cease to disappoint :)

Go Cougars!

Y's little brother
Sandy, UT

2b

Pretty funny stuff. You pretend that Utah played the same level of competition in Utah's 10 of 11 bowl game wins. The truth is, most of Utah's wins were so unimpressive that the pollsters didn't even notice them.

Final rankings are the final word on each season and by that measure the Utes who have only managed FIVE AP Top 25 finishes, EVER, haven't impressed anybody except themselves.

Elmer Fudd
Sandy, Utah

@ Tators

"You lost all credibility when you said that Utah beats the Y every year"

So what's your point? You said in an earlier comment on July 16th at 11:38 a.m. "They can't even beat USU anymore". My comment was clearly exaggerated and so is your comment that I quoted. You're being hypocritical in claiming I've lost all credibility when you did the exact same thing. Because of hypocrisy, you've lost your credibility!

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@truecoug1

And ESPN ranked BYU #25 in most prestigious College Football Programs of all-time. Utah checked in at #44.

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Because of Edwards/Chow era. They also ranked Colorado Buffaloes #22. You know the "bottom feeder" of the PAC-12.

And here's what they say:

Positives: Slowly climbing the Prestige Rankings for the better part of the century, the Cougars have never been placed on NCAA probation. Slow and steady have been key attributes for a program with just three losing seasons since 1974.

Negatives: BYU has never had a "major" bowl win by our standards. When the Cougars won the national title in 1984, it came after a Holiday Bowl win.

What did you do in the BCS era, besides being a speed bump to Utah and TCU.

Utah might be a small time program but we are playing in a big boy conference with one big boy (#12 SOS). While the legacy program down south, well...

"BYU might want to crawl before it walks so here is what they may want to concentrate on doing first, how about beating or staying within two scores of TCU, but I digress."

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@Uteology "Because of Edwards/Chow era. They also ranked Colorado Buffaloes #22. You know the "bottom feeder" of the PAC-12."

Yep, and they also have such powerhouses as Duke and Minnesota ranked higher than the Utes.

Which only proves my point. A legacy program is built over decades of success, not just a flash-in-the-pan four year stretch of two BCS wins.

Look, what Utah accomplished in 2004 and 2008 was great. But that's all that Utah has. BYU's legacy and history far outweighs anything that Utah has done. It's a similar situation in basketball. While BYU's basketball efforts this past decade are impressive, Utah's overall basketball resume far outweighs what the Cougars have done (although Utah basketball has been really bad the last few years, while BYU football has still maintained a high level of success).

The fact that Ute fans keep coming on to BYU boards and keep using beating BYU as their metric of success is an indicator of how small-time Utah is.

That, and the fact that Utah and Wazzu were the only two programs in the PAC last year to finish 9th or worse in football, basketball, AND baseball.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@truecoug1

As for your other source...LOL! CollegeFootballCafeteria? A blog by a writer who is obviously very anti-BYU... Why don't U put all of your comments from D News comment boards in a blog and use that next time as your "source"? It'd be just as credible, lol

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I said it was an "independent view point", I never claimed it was a sports article thus I cited the source.

There is a difference between a article, blog post, and comments. Sorry to burst your bubble but this wasn't just an anonymous comment. The author of this blog post was listed in the article.

I have no idea what his credentials are or the blog's credentials, but since your calling him and the blog out why don't you do some research and find out.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@true
There should also be no argument for U that Utah is a small-time program that is still looking up to BYU, a fact made all the more apparent by Ute "fans" who come onto BYU boards and use beating BYU as your metric of success.

While that's cute, it's also kind of pathetic.

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Nope.

Cute is coming on Ute articles and pounding your chest about TCU, Boise, and now Colorado State.

Pathetic is telling everyone your a legacy program and then you dance in the streets, hug perfect strangers, lit off fireworks" for a 1-0 "Quest".

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

LOL!!!

Hey scott, you just proved the point WACPaddingOurSchedule was making.
BYUs accomplishments have meant nothing to real conferences. Otherwise you would be in one by now. Can that change? Perhaps.

WAC Legacy = fluff. pomp, and fanfare. Nothing else.

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

Tators
Hyrum, UT said:

"@ GoRed:

No one cares how difficult a team's schedule is if they've proven themselves incapable of winning any of those difficult games. When a team competes for the cellar of their conference every year and can't even qualify for the Has-Been bowl, then talking about their SOS is nothing but an excuse for losing. That's what most of the Ute fans have fallen victim to on these posts. Go back and read them. It's really quite sad."

I completely agree. BYU has repeatedly proven themselves incapable of winning difficult games, yet they keep scheduling 2-1 with them. Nobody cares because BYU is irrelevant riding the coat tails of ND as an indie. That's what most of the BYU fans have fallen victim to on these posts. Go back and read them. It's really quite sad.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@true
While that's cute, it's also kind of pathetic.

As for your other source...LOL! A blog by a writer who is obviously very anti-BYU.

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I said it was a "independent viewpoint" thus I provided the source. I have no idea the credibility of the author, do you by reading ONE post?

He has other posts on the blog. Feel free to call him out on that blog if you disagree with him, like some BYU fans have while some have agreed with him.

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