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Published: Monday, July 15 2013 2:30 p.m. MDT

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kkodey
Salt Lake City, UT

Romney's faith didn't play into his second round at all...It was his weak position on Bosnia, and that he had no solid concessions for ending the conflict, and the overthrow of the Serbian gov't. The third debate was the deciding factor. There are plenty of Mormons who have run and been elected, and all of them were challenged or criticized. Senator Reed Smoot was constantly lampooned by the press, Ezra Taft Benson had eggs thrown at his car for his position on farm subsidies, Joseph Smith was martyred. And Orrin Hatch never acquired more than 3% in the polls during his laughable run for president. Mitt's daddy George might have won had he not sided with Tricky Dickie Nixon, and supported Barry Goldwater. The idea that Mormonism was the thing that defeated Mitt is a weak argument.

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

No.

morpunkt
Glendora, CA

The press never favored him, from day one, for one reason only, for not agreeing with gay marriage. Case in point? Just look at the favorable press John Huntsman got from the media (excluding the right-leaning media). Connect the dots and do the math my friends.

sergio
Phoenix, AZ

I guess if one is Mormon he/she may feel one good achievement by Romney is that with a little arm twisting and a few dollars he got Billy Gram to take the Mormons and a few others off the cult black list.

RedShirtMIT
Cambridge, MA

Ok liberals, Romney's religion had little to no effect on the outcome of the election.

Romney had to fight against not only the Obama campaign, but against most of the major news outlets that were nothing more than lapdogs for Obama.

For example, how many times did we have to hear about the dog on the roof, or the un-confirmed haircuting story? Now, how much did we hear about Obama smoking pot as a teen, or how much did we hear about how in Obama's own memoirs he exagerated or lied about events?

You see, the press took any little fault of Romney's and blew it out of proportion, while allowing Obama to smoke dope and lie to the american public.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@RedshirtMIT
"Now, how much did we hear about Obama smoking pot as a teen"

Clinton smoked pot when he was younger. So did Bush. When you get to three presidents in a row doing the same thing you kinda stop caring anymore (and start wondering why the heck something safer than tobacco is illegal... except for it's exactly what the tobacco lobby wants because they don't want competition).

LDS
Cedar City, UT

If anything, Romney's faith helped him. It showed him as a responsible Christian, a real asset in a national election. I'm sure that got him many votes, maybe millions of votes.

For me, I did not vote for him. As I stated earlier, i fely he was out of touch with the average American. His business savvy is well established, but his compassionate side was lacking during the campaign.

FT1/SS
Virginia Beach, VA

The teachings of Robert Jeffress dos'nt represent Jesus Christ. I think the number I heard was about three million Evangelist that stayed home who did'nt want to vote for Obama or a Mormon. I know of a few, and I enjoy getting into conversations about whose church is more Christ Like. On there own turf, using the Bible everytime. The Jehovah Witness missionaries stopped coming to my house.

merich39
Salt Lake City, UT

I don't believe it was Mitt's faith that cost him the election, but rather his lack of faith... his lack of faith in the middle class and poor. He comes across as an elitist, not just by the fact that he is wealthy, but in how he projects an air of disdain for those less fortunate than himself. The 47% comment wasn't the source of that feeling about Mitt. It was merely a confirmation of what I had already been suspecting. In the voting booth, it was impossible for me to imagine Mitt fairly representing the economic interests of the less than wealthy.

just-commenting
Logan, UT

I think that Romney did a decent job as governor in Massachusetts, and I was a supporter the first time around in 2008, but that was not the same man who ran for president in 2012. I am active LDS and voted against Romney. If religion played a role in his defeat, it was because many of us felt that his policies, platforms, attitudes, arrogance, disdain for people who work for a living, pandering to bigotry, and general cluelessness were inconsistent with principles of the Gospel. I was embarrassed by what he tried to be in his attempt to solidify his standing with the hateful right-wing extremists.

Some commenters here will jump to the conclusion that I am a "taker" of the 47%. My income is at the 95 percentile, I have a doctor's degree, and owned two businesses that employed several hundred people. But I also tried to do that in accordance with Gospel principles, with above-market wages, medical insurance, and a generous retirement plan. I gave away what I did not need and never became wealthy, but I could not support Romney, as his way of doing things is the antithesis of what I believe in.

LDS
Cedar City, UT

to Just-Commenting @12:36. You speak for many of us. Our religion requires us to rise above partisan politics. And to not take sides. Rather, we must seek out good people from wherever they come. To live our religion regardless of political winds.

There are many cultural members of our church. They carry on traditions, which are honorable, but may not rise to the standards of the Gospel. We must step above traditions and culture and live our religion according to scripture.

None of us can do this perfectly. But, we can recognize that calling and try our best.

Thank you for your thoughtful and thought-provoking comments.

RedShirtMIT
Cambridge, MA

To "atl134" I think you are helping to prove my point. Most people don't know that Clinton, like Obama smoked pot. However, any transgression that Bush had was made national headlines for weeks on end.

So tell us, how are the Republicans supposed to have a campaign that is equal to the Democrats when the Democrats are only glorified and have any past indiscretions hidden or ignored?

Thinkman
Provo, UT

Romney lost because of the following reasons:

1. Hard to beat the first African-American president who is also a media darling

2. Mitt's 47% comment

3. Hurricane Sandy - had the storm never happened, or happened 1 week later, Romney would have likely won. Sandy provided BHO with an opportunity to look presidential and to show compassion. The Hugger didn't help Mitt's case either.

postaledith
Freeland, WA

I am a proud liberal and a democrat. I voted for Obama and was thrilled that he won a second term. I don't believe that the reason Romney lost was because of his religion. He lost because he had no diversity and his 47% remark. And technonerd7 I highly recommend that you volunteer at a homeless shelter.

merich39
Salt Lake City, UT

Redshirt...

Who over 30 doesn't know that Clinton smoked pot? Seriously! The "I didn't inhale" comment is infamous. In fact, all of Clinton's personal indiscretions were very widely covered by the press.

I think most people view smoking pot in a different light than assaulting a fellow student or animal abuse. Smoking pot, especially back in the 70's and 80's is viewed by many as a youthful right of passage. It's gained a certain amount of social acceptance. Physical assault and animal abuse portray a mean-spirited character trait that hasn't yet, nor should it ever gain any degree of social acceptance.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

JLFuller says:

"Nothing draws out the Mormon haters as much as a story about Mormons. Did you know there are actually so called Christians who spend most of their waking moments badmouthing the Church?"

The LDS church spent decades bad-mouthing other religions (they're all of the devil, etc.). -- glass houses, stones and all that jazz.

@UtahVET1;

I suppose you're not going to use the VA or accept any government benefits due you from your military service then?

@RedShirtMIT;

"Most people don't know that Clinton, like Obama smoked pot."

Are you kidding? The "I never inhaled" gaffe was repeated endlessly.

Lasvegaspam
Henderson, NV

Merich 39:

Don't think I'm the only one who recognizes that cocaine use (such as Obama has admitted to) is just ever-so-slightly more serious than the media-enhanced stories of “assault of a fellow student” and “animal abuse” by Romney.

To assault the character of a good man like Romney through slanderous lies such as the media today used against him is exactly what the prophet Isaiah warned against when he wrote, regarding the Last Days: “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” (5:20)

RedShirtMIT
Cambridge, MA

To "merich39" you still don't get it. How big of a deal did the media make of Clinton smoking pot? Did it get the same attention and scrutiny that Romney putting the dog on the roof got? Or was it more like the story buried in the paper about Obama eating dog?

But back in teh 1970's and 1980's putting a dog in a dog carrier on top of your full station wagon wasn't thought of as animal abuse back then either. The assault is a myth created by the media, even the supposed victim doesn't remember it. So, why the media attention on things that either never happened or were socially acceptable when they occured when it was a Republican? Yet a President who regularly did drugs as a teenager and writes about it is accepted? Doesn't it tell you about the character of a person when they use drugs in direct violation of Federal law then flaunt it in their memoirs? Doesn't that show you a blatant disregard for the law? Shouldn't the President be somebody that would honor the law?

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

@Lasvegaspam;

Assault is a crime and it is definitely something to be concerned about and it isn't something created to assault the good character of the perp.

Evil/good: assault of a fellow student; which is it? Good or evil? You should be careful when quoting that scripture, it also refers to things you probably do yourself.

@RedShirtMIT;

The victim of the assault is dead these days so, of course, he doesn't remember it; but friends of Romney's at the time do. It isn't a myth.

Mister J
Salt Lake City, UT

to EdGrady 7/16 8:52a

"Did whining and excuse making become the Fourteenth Article of Faith?"

You haven't been on this website long, have you? It really doesn't get "interesting" til football season.

to EdGrady @ 9:02 a.m.

Probably not. Unless, you have an Ivy League degree. They were about the only ones Uncle Sam "helped".

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