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Published: Monday, July 15 2013 2:30 p.m. MDT

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John S. Harvey
Sandy, UT

Romney's religion had no effect on the actual outcome of the election. However, it might possibly have had an effect on the margins in some states he won anyway. And with an incredibly low probability it might have influenced one swing state.

In the final analysis there were only four (4) states which were actually close at all (CO, FL, OH, and VA). Together they controlled 69 electoral votes. If (although incredibly unlikely) all four had voted for Romney he would have managed to win by a exceeding the required 270 threshold by five (5) electoral votes (instead of the 332 to 206 landslide for Obama, it would have been 275 to 263 for Romney). Had Obama managed to win just one of those four states Romney would have lost anyway. So the question of interest is: how likely is it that being LDS would have been a meaningful factor in *all* four of those states? The answer (in my next post) is: “Not at all likely.”

John S. Harvey
Sandy, UT

Now to look at each of those four states (two in this post):

CO - His religion likely helped him there. Turn out was highest among the demographics which supported him, there just weren't quite enough who did. His LDS faith likely motivated many there to vote for him. So being LDS did not hurt him in CO.

FL - we all know this state is balanced on a razor's edge. Swinging back and forth and causing tremendous problems, but given the similar outcomes in the last four presidential elections there it is highly unlikely that Romney's religion was even a blip on the radar for most voters. Probably at least 80% (and possibly even 90%) of likely voters in Florida had their minds made up on whether they were voting Democrat or Republican long before Romney was even nominated. So here the effect was likely zero.

John S. Harvey
Sandy, UT

To sum up the effects of Romney's religion on the four possible swing states where the final vote was close enough that the effect could conceivably matter - the final analysis is Romney's religion might have cost him VA's 13 electoral votes, but even that is a stretch and highly unlikely.

So likely the practical effect was nothing at all. Obama wins with a really big landslide, or a big landslide (over 300 electoral votes either way).

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

This article is wrong on 2 levels:
#1 The election was 8 MONTHS ago.
#2 It promotes/highlights Jerome Corsi's book.

WND does not qualify as a high quality, high standard, ethical news organization.

Factcheck (2008) summed it up best in regard to Jerome Corsi:

"Corsi is a renowned conspiracy theorist who says that George Bush is attempting to create a North American Union (we looked at that here) and that there is evidence that the World Trade Center may have collapsed because it was seeded with explosives. More recently, Corsi claimed that Obama released a fake birth certificate. We’ve debunked that twice now. And, as our colleagues at PolitiFact found, many of the themes in "The Obama Nation" are reworked versions of bogus chain e-mail smears.

A practical rule of thumb for everyday living is to rely on sources that have proven themselves to be trustworthy, and to check even on those when an issue is in dispute.

In Corsi’s case, we judge that both his reputation and his latest book fall short when measured by the standards of good scholarship, or even of mediocre journalism."

EdGrady
Idaho Falls, ID

"Did Mitt Romney's faith cost him 2012 election?"

No, but his tone deafness to Middle-Class America did.

EdGrady
Idaho Falls, ID

After reading these comments - did I miss something? Did whining and excuse making become the Fourteenth Article of Faith?

SCfan
clearfield, UT

Romney lost because he did not get out the same vote that McCain got. Why that vote sat home is the question. After reading some posts, I am most surprised that there are any Obama supporters left when you see the complete failure of him as president. That is unless you are just taking from government. Then I suppose he is the best president ever. Enjoy it now because it won't last.

sjames
AMERICAN FORK, UT

@LDS
Obama is also very wealthy (1%er) He gave less of it away, has big friends in high places and lives the stereotypical "rich lifestyle." Romney may be stupid rich, be had was also self-made. Most Americans would connect better with Romney if given a fair perspective of each candidate. Romney lost election for several reasons: Meida bias on the left, bigotry on both sides of the aisle, low participation from grass roots conservative groups (IRS anyone), a divided right (not going to get into the election night discrepancies in several states such as 100+% voter turnout in key Obama areas). The religion certainly played a role in it as well.

EdGrady
Idaho Falls, ID

I voted for Obama but I'm still waiting for my "gifts" and "handouts." Maybe I should change my name to AIG, GM, Chrysler or Chase. If I eat enormous amounts of red meat and bacon, will I "become too big to fail" and hitch a ride on the corporate gravy train?

JLFuller
Boise, ID

Nothing draws out the Mormon haters as much as a story about Mormons. Did you know there are actually so called Christians who spend most of their waking moments badmouthing the Church? If these people spent just half as much time performing genuine Christian acts the world would be a better place.

jimhale
Eugene, OR

One could easily list a hundred reasons Mitt lost.
Being a Mormon was surely one. But it was only one....and far from the biggest.

Many of those reasons are attributable to media bias....including the media's anti-LDS bias which came through in much of the reporting on the LDS angle itself. But that was only a small part of how media bias presented itself.

Many of those reasons have to do with trail gaffs by the candidate (or his wife: the 47%, the $10,000 bet, binders of women, etc. that all fed into the "not like us" problem - which over all was the killer.

Many of those reasons have to do with the competence of the campaign organization. Being a community organizer may not make you a good President, but it may make for a great campaign. Mitt's corporate success was not evident in his campaign organization/strategy.

But Mitt really lost before he started. He should have instructed his blind trust to purge his portfolio of embarrassing investments and be ready to disclose his taxes sometime in early 2012.
He should have known his wealth would not play well for a Republican.

Mitt was no George.

ulvegaard
Medical Lake, Washington

Could it also have something to do with the Bengahzi incident; which facts were concealed from the American people during the election? Could it have something to do with a multitude of scenarios that are too much to even consider at this point.

I think Mr. Romney is an honorable man; even if he does have money. If we start condemning anyone who is rich, then we had better set all of the poor people in prison free first, because we won't have room to incarcerate them all otherwise.

If we weigh a person's personal worth by the skeletons in his closet, then neither candidate should have won. Would Romney have been a good president or a bad one? We'll never know.

ZorroPC
Park City, UT

his religion did not even help him with fellow Mormons, in the states that do exit polling by religion he received a lower percentage of LDS vote than Bush or McCain.
Look up the facts, he got 3 million less votes than McCain, Conservatives sat home because he lacks any principles. He has been for and against gun control, he has been for and against abortion. he wanted to eliminate "parts" of Obamacare and replace it with Romneycare. He ran very aggressive "nasty" campaign against his Republican primary opponents and a sissy campaign against Obama. He was a terrible candidate.

Woody
Newbury Park, CA

In the past century the "better man" has always lost. The better man may not have been the better politician, but the man with higher moral character. So the outcome does not surprise me.

no fit in SG
St.George, Utah

The time has finally come to make a little addition to an old saying....
"Following the end of the world, there will still be roaches, Cher, and articles written about Mitt Romney losing the Presidential Election in Utah's Deseret News".

LiberalEastCoastMember
Parkesburg, PA

Romney lost for one reason, President Obama ran a better, more disciplined campaign. End of story.

Provoreader
Provo, UT

Mitt Romney lost the election because he chose a radical-right running mate, sold out to the Tea Party, and appeared economically out of touch with most Americans. The media wasn't any harder on him than on anyone else. I'm LDS and I didn't vote for him for the same reasons most other Americans didn't--I lost confidence in him and was appalled at his choices and comments. You can blame religion and the media all you want, but no one is to blame but Mitt Romney himself; he gave away an election he should have won.

UtahVET1
Sandy, Utah

Romney lost because people failed to educate themselves on what both parties beliefs are. They just go off of what the media tells them. People also want the government to provide everything for them. Now our country is going down the hole, and people who have been working their whole life are going to have to go on government subsidies.

JBQ
Saint Louis, MO

Mark Shields of The PBS News Hour gave a cogent evaluation. He usually appears with David Brooks and is usually the more liberal of the two. He stated that Romney lost because of the "appearance of the lack of empathy" for the common man. Conservatives may not like that interpretation but it is what it is. Republicans are in danger of falling into "the dustbin of history". They are fading like the Whigs. The current administration has a definite agenda of complete government control in order to reform society. There is a deep need for a third party movement in the vision of JFK and labor. Sixty percent of the 2010 census are immigrant stock from Europe which is traditional labor. This image of lack of empathy is driving those in the middle to vote for the radical left. Immigrants from Mexico are the one group which can be salvaged. Rubio the Cuban is their co-called champion. Unless the Republicans get organized, the only Latinos who will vote Republican are the 0.6% Cuban and maybe the 1.5% Puerto Rican. Mexican immigrants are 10.6%. Conservatives need to come up with a "new plan, Stan".

tim_the_tool_man_taylor
Dallas, TX

With the NSA and every word that Mitt has said in the last 20+ years at hand, how could anyone including clean-cut Mitt Romney win an election.

I remember the the animal abuse story (dog on top of the car) story airing on every news station for like five days straight.

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