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Published: Friday, July 12 2013 10:38 a.m. MDT

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My2Cents
Taylorsville, UT

I'll have to agree with the DWR actions of kicking them out of the campsite. If more than one bear is invloved then the one year time frame is justified closure as it will take months for bears to unlearn a food source.

Its not clear how many times the camp directors were warned about dirty campsite but one warning should have been enough, not only for bears but the mountain lions and wolves who look at children as part of their food chain.

Camp leaders were not respectful and fully aware of the wildlife living in the Wasatch Forrest and Uinta forests can be dangerous if leaders don't take wilderness serious. Its too bad the bear was killed before the DWR could trap and relocate it and criminal charges may be justified as well.

Ironmomo
Ogden, Utah

Its unfortunate that BSA leaders can't follow simple rules.

Ironmomo
Ogden, Utah

Too bad camp officials never heard of bear spray. May have been a better deterent.

BlueHawaii71
Bryce, UT

DWR didn't kick out the offending group, it was the Camp Executive - it's a private camp. It sounds like camp officials did everything they could to educate the campers and one group chose to be lazy and/or non-compliant.

It's too bad the bear was shot and there may have been other options. A call to DWR should have been first order of business but we don't know all of the details and what was done and why. I don't believe "criminal charges" should be justified when the Camp Executive was in a no-win situation with 500 kids in the vicinity.

Kings Court
Alpine, UT

This is what gun culture has taught us: shoot first and then think later. There were less violent ways to resolve this problem. Perhaps, going home early would be one of them, but this scout leader who wasn't using his brain is now in some serious trouble.

oldschooler
USA, TX

Any other sanctions besides the 1 year ban? They should do community service or jail time for killing the bear, I can't believe 500 people had to kill 1 bear for their own safety. 500 against 1? please. and that's a Leader?

Johnny Triumph
American Fork, UT

We went to Beaver High Adventure base and one of the first things we were told was to lock all food in our trailer, and not only food but anything with an aroma. We did so and didn't see any sign of bears.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

What exactly is the DWR for? It seems to me they do NOTHING to manage wildlife - they simply kill the animal every time. You draw a bear into a camp area by throwing food all around and then you kill the bear when it starts to eat. Does that strike anyone else as WRONG!! How is it that we can do studies on bears no problem - drugging them with tranquilizers - but somehow we can't use those same tranquilizers to drug and transport the bear out of the area? The Division of Wildlife Resources ? No - more like the wildlife police who shoot first and ask questions later. No management going on at all. Makes me sick!! By the way I am an elk hunter and fly fisherman so I think I speak with some authority here as a sportsman.

play by the rules
SOUTH JORDAN, UT

Yeah Kings Court you are so right. They just went straight into the camp saw the bear and shot him. They probably didn't even look around to see if it was safe. You leftists just know all the facts about everything.

JayTee
Sandy, UT

Big deal. Growing up in Idaho, it was always pretty much open season on black bears. They just loved the taste of lamb chops or a little veal, and so livestock owners had little patience for them. Consequently, they avoided people and went way out of their way to be scarce. Remember awhile ago when one chose a young boy for a snack? Of course they're not afraid of people now, because it takes an act of congress to get rid of one. They've learned that humans are not much of a threat anymore, so they hang around waiting to share a meal with a human, or maybe make a meal of a human.

Ball Boy
Payson, UT

I agree with most everything that has been posted on this message board except on thing. I don't think that an elk hunter/fly fisherman from Cedar Hills! would be considered as an authority on the DWR!

stanfunky
Salt Lake City, UT

Patriot, even if you drug a bear and take it 1,000 miles away, it will still find a way back to where the 'easy food' was. I spent a summer at a camp, and we had a bear that came through (same situation, one group that left a jar of jelly open on their table) and apparently he was the same bear that had been transported out of the area only the year before. They had moved him over 1,200 miles away and he had come back within a year. Gunshots didn't scare him away from the easy food that campsites offered. After capturing him again, he was transported to Canada, and the rangers advised he would likely 're-offend' but they hoped a remote area with few people would encourage him to find food in nature, rather than from people.

Richard Larson
Galt, CA

They were told/warned several times
about leaving food out and they ignored
the warnings and did it anyway.
Figures...
wow!

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

JayTee

Shows how little you know about bears. You cited the 1 example of a black bear killing in the state in the last how many years? What about the thousands of bears that don't kill humans? The big bad bears aren't out to get you. They just want a meal, and if people make it easy for them, can you really blame the bears?

Legalize_the_Constitution
SOUTH JORDAN, UT

Which is more important, the safety of the kids or the life of that bear? Why don't we determine which areas have significant camping activity and then relocate bears to other less visited areas? Do we let the bears control the territory? Let’s be proactive about it. If we don't want Bears in certain parts of our mountain ranges because they are a threat, then relocate or allow more hunting tags to reduce the population in those areas. We should control the bear population, not the other way around.

Rynn
Las Vegas, NV

The bear was just trying to find food. The troop messed up by creating an environment that was attractive to the bear. If you are going to try and coexist with wildlife, you need to be more responsible.

Cincinnatus
Kearns, UT

Patriot, I have to question your authority- on reading comprehension.

Nowhere in the story did it say that the DWR shot the bear. You just jumped to that conclusion.

The DN could have made it clearer, though, that the camp director shot the bear and is now under investigation. It sometimes helps to get news from multiple sources, assimilate the info, and then draw conclusions.

dumprake
Washington, UT

What a silly waste of taxpayer money. A bear was shot, so what? too bad, but so what?

bw00ds
Tucson, AZ

Regardless of the reason why the bear was in the camp, the adults had to assess what was best to protect the boys there. Makes no difference on the circumstances whether the scout director or others were negligent in keeping the camp clean or not, they had to deal with a situation in the here and now. There was a bear in the camp. There are boys in the camp. The bear was not leaving. Calling DWR may not help--how long would it take them to get there? Enough time for a boy or two to get mauled or killed? I'm just saying that they had to make a decision. Maybe it could have been prevented. But that doesn't matter in the here and now.

Kings Court, you give the wrong portrayal of what is "gun culture." Don't mix up "gang culture" and "criminal culture" with gun culture. And I am not clear on your post--you say perhaps leaving camp could have been an alternative. That doesn't make sense to me. Does this mean, "OK, boys, there's a bear in the camp, so please pack up everything so we can go home now"?

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

capture a bear and then take him 1200 miles away and he finds his way back huh? Right. Sounds to me like you have been reading too many National Enquirer stories. Remember we aren't talking about Canadian Geese here we are talking about a Black Bear whose range is limited to perhaps a 40-50 mile range normally. A black bear is a recluse and will stay in an area where he can den up and find adequate food. If careless scouts layout food for him he will most certainly find it and eat it. In Alaska where I served my LDS mission people would gather at garbage dumps to watch the polar and browns eat...they weren't aggressive so long as you kept your distance and they were there for easy food. The Fish and Game didn't run in and start shooting bears in Alaska - they simply got rid of the garbage dump and guess what - the bears disappeared. Wow - who would have figured. Being a hunter I do know something about wild game ... any of the rest of you hunt...not just on your iPad either. The DWR in Utah mis-manage more than they manage.

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