Safety of stupid people is still paramount over the safety of the bear.
Shooting the bear in this case was justified and it baffles me that the Fish
Cops are even investigating. Moral of story? You can't teach early
teenagers common sense. The BSA was correct to ban them. The bear has most
likely been in that camp before. Transporting it out would have done no good.
Yelling at it obviously didn't work. Trying to get it to leave didn't
work. Safety first.
dumprakeThat is exactly the cocky attitute that gets species wiped
off the face of the planet. Just a lion, just a tiger, just a grizzly, just a
wolf, just an elephant, just a rhino... That attitude has had horrid
consequences on this planet for many animals. I hope you change your tune and
don't perpetuate that dangerous attitude.
re:dumprake"A bear was shot - so what?" You sound just like
the buffalo hunters of the 1800's.
capture a bear and then take him 1200 miles away and he finds his way back huh?
Right. Sounds to me like you have been reading too many National Enquirer
stories. Remember we aren't talking about Canadian Geese here we are
talking about a Black Bear whose range is limited to perhaps a 40-50 mile range
normally. A black bear is a recluse and will stay in an area where he can den up
and find adequate food. If careless scouts layout food for him he will most
certainly find it and eat it. In Alaska where I served my LDS mission people
would gather at garbage dumps to watch the polar and browns eat...they
weren't aggressive so long as you kept your distance and they were there
for easy food. The Fish and Game didn't run in and start shooting bears in
Alaska - they simply got rid of the garbage dump and guess what - the bears
disappeared. Wow - who would have figured. Being a hunter I do know something
about wild game ... any of the rest of you hunt...not just on your iPad either.
The DWR in Utah mis-manage more than they manage.
Regardless of the reason why the bear was in the camp, the adults had to assess
what was best to protect the boys there. Makes no difference on the
circumstances whether the scout director or others were negligent in keeping the
camp clean or not, they had to deal with a situation in the here and now. There
was a bear in the camp. There are boys in the camp. The bear was not leaving.
Calling DWR may not help--how long would it take them to get there? Enough time
for a boy or two to get mauled or killed? I'm just saying that they had to
make a decision. Maybe it could have been prevented. But that doesn't
matter in the here and now.Kings Court, you give the wrong portrayal
of what is "gun culture." Don't mix up "gang culture" and
"criminal culture" with gun culture. And I am not clear on your
post--you say perhaps leaving camp could have been an alternative. That
doesn't make sense to me. Does this mean, "OK, boys, there's a
bear in the camp, so please pack up everything so we can go home now"?
What a silly waste of taxpayer money. A bear was shot, so what? too bad, but so
Patriot, I have to question your authority- on reading comprehension.Nowhere in the story did it say that the DWR shot the bear. You just jumped
to that conclusion.The DN could have made it clearer, though, that
the camp director shot the bear and is now under investigation. It sometimes
helps to get news from multiple sources, assimilate the info, and then draw
The bear was just trying to find food. The troop messed up by creating an
environment that was attractive to the bear. If you are going to try and
coexist with wildlife, you need to be more responsible.
Which is more important, the safety of the kids or the life of that bear? Why
don't we determine which areas have significant camping activity and then
relocate bears to other less visited areas? Do we let the bears control the
territory? Let’s be proactive about it. If we don't want Bears in
certain parts of our mountain ranges because they are a threat, then relocate or
allow more hunting tags to reduce the population in those areas. We should
control the bear population, not the other way around.
JayTeeShows how little you know about bears. You cited the 1 example
of a black bear killing in the state in the last how many years? What about the
thousands of bears that don't kill humans? The big bad bears aren't
out to get you. They just want a meal, and if people make it easy for them, can
you really blame the bears?
They were told/warned several timesabout leaving food out and they
ignoredthe warnings and did it anyway.Figures...wow!
Patriot, even if you drug a bear and take it 1,000 miles away, it will still
find a way back to where the 'easy food' was. I spent a summer at a
camp, and we had a bear that came through (same situation, one group that left a
jar of jelly open on their table) and apparently he was the same bear that had
been transported out of the area only the year before. They had moved him over
1,200 miles away and he had come back within a year. Gunshots didn't scare
him away from the easy food that campsites offered. After capturing him again,
he was transported to Canada, and the rangers advised he would likely
're-offend' but they hoped a remote area with few people would
encourage him to find food in nature, rather than from people.
I agree with most everything that has been posted on this message board except
on thing. I don't think that an elk hunter/fly fisherman from Cedar
Hills! would be considered as an authority on the DWR!
Big deal. Growing up in Idaho, it was always pretty much open season on black
bears. They just loved the taste of lamb chops or a little veal, and so
livestock owners had little patience for them. Consequently, they avoided
people and went way out of their way to be scarce. Remember awhile ago when one
chose a young boy for a snack? Of course they're not afraid of people now,
because it takes an act of congress to get rid of one. They've learned
that humans are not much of a threat anymore, so they hang around waiting to
share a meal with a human, or maybe make a meal of a human.
Yeah Kings Court you are so right. They just went straight into the camp saw
the bear and shot him. They probably didn't even look around to see if it
was safe. You leftists just know all the facts about everything.
What exactly is the DWR for? It seems to me they do NOTHING to manage wildlife -
they simply kill the animal every time. You draw a bear into a camp area by
throwing food all around and then you kill the bear when it starts to eat. Does
that strike anyone else as WRONG!! How is it that we can do studies on bears no
problem - drugging them with tranquilizers - but somehow we can't use those
same tranquilizers to drug and transport the bear out of the area? The Division
of Wildlife Resources ? No - more like the wildlife police who shoot first and
ask questions later. No management going on at all. Makes me sick!! By the way I
am an elk hunter and fly fisherman so I think I speak with some authority here
as a sportsman.
We went to Beaver High Adventure base and one of the first things we were told
was to lock all food in our trailer, and not only food but anything with an
aroma. We did so and didn't see any sign of bears.
Any other sanctions besides the 1 year ban? They should do community service or
jail time for killing the bear, I can't believe 500 people had to kill 1
bear for their own safety. 500 against 1? please. and that's a Leader?
This is what gun culture has taught us: shoot first and then think later.
There were less violent ways to resolve this problem. Perhaps, going home early
would be one of them, but this scout leader who wasn't using his brain is
now in some serious trouble.
DWR didn't kick out the offending group, it was the Camp Executive -
it's a private camp. It sounds like camp officials did everything they
could to educate the campers and one group chose to be lazy and/or
non-compliant. It's too bad the bear was shot and there may
have been other options. A call to DWR should have been first order of business
but we don't know all of the details and what was done and why. I
don't believe "criminal charges" should be justified when the Camp
Executive was in a no-win situation with 500 kids in the vicinity.
Too bad camp officials never heard of bear spray. May have been a better
Its unfortunate that BSA leaders can't follow simple rules.
I'll have to agree with the DWR actions of kicking them out of the
campsite. If more than one bear is invloved then the one year time frame is
justified closure as it will take months for bears to unlearn a food source.Its not clear how many times the camp directors were warned about dirty
campsite but one warning should have been enough, not only for bears but the
mountain lions and wolves who look at children as part of their food chain. Camp leaders were not respectful and fully aware of the wildlife living
in the Wasatch Forrest and Uinta forests can be dangerous if leaders don't
take wilderness serious. Its too bad the bear was killed before the DWR could
trap and relocate it and criminal charges may be justified as well.