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Published: Thursday, July 11 2013 11:51 p.m. MDT

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Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

I love that BYU is free to schedule these games in great venues and that ESPN is such a powerful partner. However, BYU needs to start winning and showing superiority on the scoreboard, or it starts to feel less about competition and more about exposure. I want exposure as much as the next person, but not at the expense of wins and success.

Hopefully BYU can have both this year (exposure and success) and it can be the launching pad to future success. I love a lot of things about independence, but I'm afraid being in a conference will always provide more security and better recruiting in the long run.

Kralon
HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA

It is more challenging to be independent than in a conference, but it is really exciting to more often play teams and stadiums we've never played before.

I think for BYU to maintain a good schedule as an independent it will require a better level of play than BYU has had in the recent past (even though the record under Bronco is quite good). With the new playoff system most teams will be looking to play the best teams they can and BYU will need to consistently finish in the top 25 to schedule great teams.

Mark321
Las Vegas, NV

Many wonder why we are ok with 2 for 1 scheduling with the 2 games on the road and 1 home game. I always knew why but this article answers that question for everyone else. Go Cougars!!!

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Mark,

The question has never been "is there any benefit from scheduling a 2 for 1"

The question is:

"If you are a football power as your fans claim, why not just schedule a 1 for 1?"

LOL

ekute
Layton, UT

The eighth in a series that puts a positive spin on byu's scheduling issues as an independent.

The 2 negatives that come to mind right away are:

1. Exposing the les season ticket holders to an equal number of quality games at home.

2. It was already mentioned in a previous article the extraordinary amount of time that bronco and holmoe spend on scheduling.

Mark321
Las Vegas, NV

@ Chris B

"The question has never been "is there any benefit from scheduling a 2 for 1"

The question is:

"If you are a football power as your fans claim, why not just schedule a 1 for 1?"

Because as hard that it is for you to understand Chris there are more reasons BYU does what they do than just football. Football is important no question but BYU has other motives that's tied to the purpose of the church that seems to be difficult for you to understand. There is no reason to go over it again, the article is a sufficient source for that answer. BYU is a football power but a football power that wants to extend its outreach to its fans. ESPN and BYUtv is a part of that outreach but road games is the other big part.

ekute
Layton, UT

mark,

If that were true than why doesn't byu just schedule all of their games on the road?

UU32
Bountiful, UT

I am wondering if someone at the DesNews needs to go back to U.S. geography class. Apparently Boise, Pocatello, Austin and Houston have changed locations.

Yosh
Los Angeles, CA

Please give the graphic maker a lesson in US geography!

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

@Mark,

You're still now anwering the question.

"BYU has other motives tied to the purpose of the church"

Fine.

I ask again,

Why not just schedule a 1 for 1?

Are you suggesting somehow BYU has the option of doing 1 for 1, but instead prefers 1 for 2 to promote the other motives you claim?

Can you not promote those motives with a 1 for 1?

ALL programs have motives including reaching fans.

And power programs do this through 1 and 1's.

Not power programs do 1 for 2.

Again I ask, Why do a 1 for 2?

You could still accomplish your "motives" with a 1 for 1 could you not?

LOL.

Spin, spin, spin.

I'll ask again, in hopes that repetition helps.

Why not schedule a 1 for 1 and push your "motives" that way?

STuFOO
Korea, AE

Chris b & ekute

As opposed to what?

Your argument and insinuation is that because BYU takes an occasional 2 for 1 with great programs like USC and a ND that BYU is somehow a lesser program than, with your incessant arguments, the u.

So you argument, through your insinuations and previous posts, is that the u is somehow better off by default just because your in the Pac12.

You're a cellar dweller, bottom team in a "power conference." So what? You have visions of grandeur that you are going to become an elite team in your conference. Like you deserve respect without accomplishing anything. But no matter how much lipstick you put on a pig, they're still a pig.

Being giddy and pompous about being in the PAC 12 is like a fly hitching a ride on a Ferrari and claiming they can go 200mph. u are nothing to the Ferrari.

I have no delusions of BYU football. I know what their goals are and what they want to accomplish. I know exactly where they are and what they are.

And I am fine with that...

even if you're not.

ekute
Layton, UT

Chris,

"Spin, spin, spin." is right. lol.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

@StuFoo,

"As opposed to what"

a 1 for 1.

Was that not clear.

We recently schedule a 1 for 1 agreement with Michigan.

Just curiuos why you guys don't just schedule 1 for 1's with other power programs.

We do.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

STuFOO - Wow, what a rant.

"You have visions of grandeur that you are going to become an elite team in your conference. Like you deserve respect without accomplishing anything."

You just summed up byu football and their fans. They have accomplished nothing yet talk about going to the Big-12 and even persist in talking about Pac-12. I would be frustrated if I were you, too. Starring at byu's 2014 schedule would not make me happy. But hey, Holmoe, the mastermind of the independence experiment says it's fantastic even if he doesn't like to talk about the dearth of bowl opportunities, having to play 2 for 1 and one offs. The selling of ponies and rainbows continues and byu fans are buying it. byu is rudderless and adrift in a sea of irrelevance...but as you say, no matter how much lipstick...

I don't see byu's situation changing appreciably in the long term. So, if it helps you to think that Utah will continue to be at the bottom third of their elite conference for all eternity, have at it. There isn't a Utah fan on the planet that would trade places with byu.

Tuffy Parker
Salem, UT

@ Chris B - Your question is disingenuous. The 2 for 1 occurs because BYU has no conference affiliation and therefore has to schedule teams throughout the entire season on its own. This necessitates some trade-off in order to schedule games at times other than the first two or three weeks of the season (once conference play starts). I think you must know this but are bent on taking jabs at BYU in the face of reason.

If you need further input on the disadvantage of not being in a conference, you may want to check with Dr. Chris Hill who said of the Michigan series, "A home-and-home series with Michigan is the kind of opportunity that comes with membership in the Pac-12 Conference,"

That said, independence is the right path for BYU at this time and frankly, they’re doing a pretty good job of navigating it. Good for the Utes to be in the PAC12 and the advantages it provides. For both programs, it means little unless those opportunities are converted to wins.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

BYU has had plenty of 1 for 1's with "power" programs over the years, far more than the one single time utah has been able to schedule one christina. There is a limited number of those programs BYU will go 2-1 with and interestingly many of those progrmas have come on board over the last couple of years. I'm sure it is simple strategy for BYU as they establish independence and as time goes on those will become 1-1 or 1-1-1 types.

As for utah, well outside of conference games, which are forced 1-1, what is the next "power" team utah is getting a 1 for 1 with? I haven't even heard rumors of any real quality program even considering a single game with utah let alone a 1 for 1.

So christina, and ekute, who are these non conference "power" programs that are lined up to give utah 1 for 1? For that matter who are these "power" programs that are even considering offering utah a 1 and done?

STuFOO
Korea, AE

Chris B

1 for 1 still isn't enough lipstick to make being a cellar dweller worth it.

"Being" in a power conference means nothing. That's your spin. I travel throughout the world and the U.S. and college football is an easy topic to get conversations started at airports, dinner parties, down time, network meetings, etc. You know what people think about the u?

Mostly NOTHING.

At most people outside of the PAC 12 say, "oh, didn't they have a good year a few years ago?"

That is except when it comes to PAC12 team fans, who almost always, always have a negative reaction. They look at at you as a snot nosed kid who can't understand why you are so high on yourself. After all, all you did was go to a BCS game, something members of that conference did EVERY year since the BCS was created. And you got there by beating lesser schools.

They wonder why you think you can talk trash by virtue of being invited, like that means anything. You have earned no respect, and yet u fans are still talking.

I have no delusion of where BYU is, unlike u and your team.

Mark321
Las Vegas, NV

@ Chris B

You always have an answer for everything do you Chris. Well, there is no reason to explain further. My answer before suffices but clearly it went way over your head.

STuFOO
Korea, AE

MyPerspective

"You just summed up byu football and their fans. They have accomplished nothing yet talk about going to the Big-12 and even persist in talking about Pac-12."

2 different arguments that u fans want to argue at the same time. Which cannot be done.

First, BYU is ALREADY a legacy program. LISTEN to announcers and national media when they talk about BYU. They ALREADY talk with respect about BYU and what they have accomplished. just because u fans can't doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Second, I have no illusions about where BYU football is. I have NEVER expressed my interest in joining the Big 12, or want to join the PAc 12. I just want to see games on TV.

"I don't see byu's situation changing appreciably in the long term. So, if it helps you to think that Utah will continue to be at the bottom third of their elite conference for all eternity, have at it."

You accuse me of an argument in the first sentence that you make for yourself in the second. So utah can change and BYU can't?

This is why arguing with u fans is so fun.

ekute
Layton, UT

duck,

"outside of conference games" are the key words in your comment. think about it.

Go Utes.

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