I'm Navajo. I didn't have any real problem with the Native American
stuff. I was disappointed in the movie though, but only because there
weren't any heroes. I remember watching the Loan Ranger on TV and in the
movie theater in the 80's and wanting to be the Lone Ranger and Tanto. I
walked out of this movie wondering if my kid would want to be either.The movie failed as a western and as a Lone Ranger film. I was
okay with Monument Valley, Shiprock, Canyon de Chelly, being in Texas (ha ha),
because it seemed like a throw-back to the TV shows.But the movie
failed because there weren't any heroes. It was just blah.
re: bradleyc & aceroinoxLone Ranger was decent but about 15
minutes too long and the pacing was bad. It wasn't as Pirates OTC as I
thought it would be.Loner Ranger was nowhere near as bad as Wild
Wild West w/ Will Smith & Kevin Kline (who ironically was in Silverado).The 2 worst movies so far this year... Bullet to the head & the Oz
"prequel"I'm not much for Westerns but really liked
Well, now I'm gonna see it just to see what all the hullaballou is about.
My husband and two friends saw it, loved it. I said, "Whaaa?! I thought it
was panned because Johnny Pirate was parading as an Indian?!" He liked the
action and said it was fun western.My jaw dropped: This from an
engineer who critiques every explosion scene on why it couldn't have
ignited so quickly or exploded on detonation with "that ferocity".
He's our resident "How Realistic/Accurate" Monitor. But hey, he
works on rocket engines for a living...I hate gratuitous violence
and PC Hollyweird (grew up down there), so I better find some redeeming quality
or entertainment factor. Still, the controversy beckons... (And my vote is
with The Searchers!)
To estreetshuffle: "Where did scalping come from? It originated from
England."That's only considered true within the typical
accounts of fairly modern history. It's pop culture. Read "1491"
by Charles Mann as only one example of what was going on here long before
England and even the French came on the scene. Also "The Middle Ground:
Indians, Empires, and Republics in the Great Lakes Region, 1650-1815" by
Richard White for another. But that's just for America, North and South.
England didn't invent scalping, nor any of the other disgusting tortures
that are found to have been the same throughout history clear back to antiquity.
We can now read this from scholarship that's available, covering all
regions of the world. No one country nor culture has a corner on the extremes
of horrors perpetuated on any other. Whoever originated it taught the followers
well and they populated throughout the Old World and the New.
Let's be honest: Was this movie made for adults who have forgotten what
its like to be a child, or for children who would like to see a fun, clean,
wholesome movie? Adults, get a grip. If your children or you weren't
offended by the gratuitous scenes of violence, gore, and absurd caricatures,
what then is there for people who appreciate going to a movie to have fun
without it? What character in Hollywood could be more fun, clean, and wholesome
than the Lone Ranger? Maria Von Trapp! Oh yea, that was 50 years ago! How
foolish I must be.
Disagree,Chris. I enjoyed the movie, and so did my wife. Different is not bad.
Nontraditional can be seen as innovative. The main reason this fell
off the box office wagon is that the young movie going audience is not familiar
with the main characters, stories, or themes. They were not thrilled with
William Tell's overture. They had no reason to laugh at the Hi-Ho Silver,
Away joke at the end. As for your criticism of Depp's portrayal of Tonto:
Did you hate him as Jack Sparrow too? I agree there's a bit of the captain
in Tonto, but I loved it...still a good schtick. JMHO.
I usually find that if the "so called experts" turn their thumbs down on
a high budget movie, I end up loving it. Such is the case here. To date, this
has been my favorite movie of the year. Maybe it's because I love
Westerns. Maybe it's because I now live where the original Lone Ranger
series and a multitude of great Westerns were shot. If you want to see a really
comedic twist to an iconic western, Here it is! Depp owned the screen. To those
who scoff at Tonto I ask; How would you navigate life after knowing you were
responsible for the complete destruction of your tribe? You might be a little
crazy too. As for those who scoff at "filthy, vile outlaws," what do
you expect them to look like. They live and travel in a very hot, very dusty
desert climate? Also consider that this movie was probably meant to set the
stage for more to follow. The Lone Ranger was a man of peace who didn't
want to go against his principles and beliefs. Of course he would bumble and
blunder during his journey. I Loved it!
estreetshuffle; What about Jeremiah Johnson?
Wayne Rout - I guess we understand the term "liberal political
correctness" differently. Hard as I'm trying, I can't figure out
how the film was inherently "liberal" or "politically correct."
Now, did it stink? I though it was "meh," but I can see how some would
really dislike it. But PC? That's pretty funny. I'll guess that
you're seeing something that isn't there based on your political
leanings. Wouldn't the "smart, wise" Tonto be more PC than the
wise-cracking bird-on-the-head Tonto?banderson - Did you stumble on
a director's cut or something? I don't know what you tried to post,
but to call this movie "sleaze" is a tad strident. It's fluff;
nothing more. I would suggest saving your disgust for a movie that has grander
ambitions than to be an adrenaline-soaked action-comedy.
The concept of less being more is something Jerry Bruckheimer, et al. refuse to
understand. It appears that if a little over-the-top outrageousness works at the
box office then the mindset becomes "let's add more". If
unrestrained CGI, explosions, gun fights, weird caricatures, etc. are what
people reward these film makers for doing, then we will get more junk like Lone
Ranger and the most recent and unwatchable iteration of Pirates of the
Caribbean. I, for one, am thrilled that Lone Ranger is a commercial flop.
Western were never made to be taken seriously and are not accurate portrayal of
the true west. ie a Comanche speaking Navajo or all the people riding the
stagecoach wagons seem to not have sweated or are full of dirt. Western movies
never matched true history of the west. For example, most of the cowboys in the
true west were African American and Hispanic, not anglo as portrayed in the
western movies. I could never figure how the Cherekees lived in Monument
Valley. Probably the only movie that seems to have portrayed the true west was
Dances with Wolves. Roles in this movie were correctly switched the cowboys
were the savages and the Native Americans were more civilzed. Where did
scalping come from? It originated from England. Historically, the British were
the most brutal punishers of Native Americans. Check your history books.
If a reviewer praises movies you don't like, what should you infer about
the one they're panning? Two wrongs hardly ever make a right.
Dear Deseret News: What is it about inciteful, opinionated, thoughts about the
'Lone Ranger' that you will not print? I gave an honest, straight
forward opinion of this movie, articulating my disgust, and was rebuffed.
I'm sorry that you can't continue to promote such sleaze and poor
movie making for your entertainment revenue. This movie represents what has
awefully gone wrong with media and those that support it. On the one hand, the
Deseret News presents articles about pornography and the destruction of the
American family by its use, but on the other hand, can't seem to make the
connection between what it promotes in its 'opinion' pieces and
advertisements via sloppy, irreverent, vulgar, and obscene movies and the drift
between the two. Just because you can't make the connection, should not
keep you from allowing someone who does to express it.
Liberal political correctness ruined this movie. We know what the Lone Ranger
is like and this character is not the lone ranger. No one would go through
their life with a bird on their head and wearing the exact same face paint.
The real Tonto was smart, wise, and was #2. He never made jokes nor did the
masked man. They just could not let a great story alone. Make the masked man
a fool and the Indian at stand up comic. No wonder it is a bomb.
Now I'm feeling old.......Best Western -- hands down: The Searchers.
We saw "The Lone Ranger" at a drive-in on opening weekend, and I thought
it was fun enough. I agree it was basically "Pirates of the Caribbean"
with cowboy boots, but "Pirates" was generally a fun series. I was also
aware of the largely negative critical reaction, so maybe my ability to enjoy it
was the product of lowered expectations. It wasn't "awful,"
therefore it overachieved.That said, I agree that it
"deserved" to fail, because it was an horribly conceived idea in the
first place. Westerns can be very entertaining, but spending $200 million on one
plus NINE FIGURES in marketing costs - no kidding) seems irresponsible at best,
insane at worst. You spend that kind of money on a movie with a hungry young fan
base and a recent track record ("Superman" or "Star Wars," for
example) not on an update of a quaint 80-year old genre staple.Raise
your hand if you were jumping up and down screaming for a modern "Lone
Ranger" movie. No-one? Exactly. For every "Titanic"-sized success,
you'll get ten "John Carters" and "Lone Rangers."
I had rather suspected that Tonto would just be Jack Sparrow with less clothing.
Sad really after the wonderful portrayals of Native Americans in "Dances
with Wolves" we get the minstrel show version of Native Americans.
Hollywood has never cared about our 13-year olds. Neither do the parents who
drop theirs off at the mall and rely on salacious old men's
"judgment" call vis-a-vis the so-called age rating. And the movie malls
are just as packed in Utah as they are in Calif.We've been
watching the movies before we took our teens waay back in the '80's.
When Indiana Jone's "Temple of Doom" sparked all the angst that
began the PG-13 faux response to "protect our children", the lights
should've gone on in every parent's head...
No chance Disney will become a train wreck. Too many turnstiles.
Unforgiven, best Western ever.
One of my all-time favorites is Silverado, which is a true tribute to the movie
Western with some great iconic stars (including the aforementioned Kevin Costner
in one of his first big roles). Another favorite is Butch Cassidy and the
Sundance Kid. These movies never get old, which to me is part of what makes a
good Western: you can watch it time and time again without getting tired of it.
Another tell-tale sign is whether there are lots of timeless one-liners that you
quote forever ("I can't swim!", "Hell, the fall will probably
Agreed that Open Range is one of the best movies ever. It is beautifully filmed.
The pacing of the movie is perfect for the genre because it mimics the subject
(slow, easy going but deliberate, with sudden flashes of intensity) The dialogue
is so well written...the bits of cowboy wisdom throughout are amazing. All the
actors do a great, great job. Wish there were more films like it.
This movie was awesome! The critics are the ones who should be put out on the
street. I loved it, my wife loved it and my kids loved it. 70% of the people on
rotten tomatoes loved it when I looked yesterday. It's the critics that are
the issue. Depp was awesome.
Open Range is easily in my top 10 all time great movies. This movie is authentic
and believable as well as beautifully set somewhere in the northern Rockies. The
story is great - the acting is great - the scenes are beautiful and to have all
of these hit the mark is really saying something in today's cookie-cutter,
urban , shootem up garbage movies.
I think there is a whole group of younger directors that think they need to
re-invent each genre/story they direct without relying on the genre's
previous successes. Some directors seem to actually take great pride
in the fact they have no prior knowledge of the story or genre and thus we see
results that strongly resemble their earlier movies regardless of genre/story
changes and these resultant movies most often disappoint.Doesn't it seem like a director will have a successful movie and then in
his hubris is unwilling or possibly unable to adapt to a different genre?
Thank you fellow Americans for spending your money elsewhere. Hollywood on
occasion will do something right. They will get the story, the plot, the
action, and everything in between wonderfully. However, as a kid at heart, they
must think the average American will not catch the obvious, over and over and
over, mayhem of each of the aforementioned elements. How simple and fun can you
get with 'the Lone Ranger'? Well, they completely massacred this with
trite depictions of religious 'clingers', indiscriminate swearing,
obscene violence, brothels (this is a kid movie, right), a dufus (non-religious,
of course)Lone Ranger, evil and corrupt Corporate (not just businessmen)white
capitalists, money grubbing, vain, and lustful (white again) role models, and
just for good measure, a few more scenes from General George Armstrong
Custard's indiscriminate massacre of Indians (all of course displayed as
part of a Lone Ranger plot. Go figure). This movie was ruined. Worst of all, I
sat through the whole thing, a whiny coward wasting my time waiting for the
interminable ending. The script writers must have come right from a night of
binge drinking at the Huffington Post.