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Published: Tuesday, July 9 2013 8:25 p.m. MDT

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LeDoc
SLC, UT

I keep reading about this obsession with porn. Then I think about the reports I've seen that state that Utah is the No. 1 state in online porn subscriptions. There seems to be an attitude that says if we say NO loud enough it will make a difference. Obviously that approach isn't working.

mattrick78
Cedar City, UT

Can anyone recommend a good Internet filter?

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

How is it that someone becomes "hooked" on porn? Often the explanation is the same as for many other addictions in a modern commercial society. First, somebody makes money from the addiction. The porn business is bigger than the NFL, NBA, and MLB combined. Second many additions or habits are built in a attempt by the individual to deal with the stresses which are destroying the American middle class. You'll note that porn is going up while the middle class collapses. People seek escape from exquisite economic pressures using porn, drugs (legal and illegal) and booze. None work, but we keep trying to make them work. Working class people spend most of their lives terrified, and this is particularly so for breadwinners who fear, not without reason, that they will not be able to provide. A more humane economic culture would be a part of porn's solution. But I doubt you'll get that from the Church website. Consider it anyway.

FT1/SS
Virginia Beach, VA

@Marxist, "A more humane economic culture" in the past 5 thousand years has never work. It creates dictatorships, and suffering far greater than conservatism. Try reading up on World History or a book "The Naked Socialist". But I doubt that a marxist would consider it anyway.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

No kidding. It's manifest itself into something of an obsession in the DesNews.

MMVIII Y ALUM
Vancouver, WA

A word about Utah being number 1 in online Porn Subscriptions. Here in Washington and Oregon, there are Adult Video stores scattered all over the place. If you drive a few miles through some areas you can see several. Utah doesn't have that. Some people buy it over the counter, some subscribe.

The Scientist
Provo, UT

mattrick78 wrote:

"Can anyone recommend a good Internet filter?"

Yes, its called your eyes and the mouse in your hand. Don't go looking for porn and you won't find it.

Pac_Man
Pittsburgh, PA

@The Scientist

That doesn't necessarily work for kids.

Brilyn
Glendale, AZ

@mattrick78

YES! My husband and I use K9 Web Protection. It is made by an LDS man, is completely free, and can be customized to fit your needs. It has been very effective at blocking pornography (and other inappropriate sites) from being accessed on our computers. It not only helps protect you against pornography but blocks suspicious sites and ones that may introduce spyware and malware to your computer. I highly recommend it to anyone that wants to monitor and protect their internet usage. K9 is the best internet filter we have found to date!

IAM
Taylorsville, UT

@mattrick78: I assume you're not asking for a good internet filter just for the kids. Could be wrong though.
Knowing that no filter is good enough and could not be bullet proof, we require Mom/Wife login to the laptop so at least she's aware of it. Also, the laptop is only allowed in the main family areas. But once you're in, just to catch the accidentals, we use OpenDNS which is something you configure on the wireless router. This makes it so that all devices that connect to the router abide by the same restrictions. It's free and is fairly reliable. You don't install anything on the router though. Setup is fairly simple.
Most of the time, however, it's the soft porn that really isn't filterable that gets anyone started/interested. YouTube vids, images.google searches. OpenDNS has a way to review usage but is only useful if it's reviewed often.
Anyway, good luck. Nothing trumps active/honest communication and avoiding toxic shaming if a family member ends up viewing porn.

happytobehere
Fillmore, Utah

I, too, have been looking for a good internet filter. I used to have Be Safe, but they changed ownership and went downhill. We have tried Norton Family but it doesn't work well. We will try K-9, but I would be very grateful for other recommendations.

And to The Scientist, your approach may work for some, but a filter is a great idea. It doesn't prevent everything, but it certainly helps. Having the self control to voluntarily install a filter is still self control.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

If the Church has gone to the trouble of setting up a web site specifically to counter porn, what more evidence do we need that the obsession does exist?

RedWings
CLEARFIELD, UT

@ A Scientist: "Don't go looking for porn and you won't find it".

- A search for "My Little Pony" will bring up multiple graphic porn sights.
- My wife searched "girl scouts" and had pages of extremeny graphic porn appear
- My 9 year old searched for "Yu-GI-Oh" and was exposed to graphic, violent porm images

None of these examples were "looking for porn".

Your comment shows a complete disconnect from the reality of porn and its attack on society....

im4kids
AUSTIN, TX

@Matterickk78 - I've used bsecure and k9 - they are both good and inexpensive, but nothing is too expensive to help me protect my kids and family.
I feel sad for those of you who think this is not a problem (are you in denial?). This is a problem all over - @ Y Alum - you are right - here in Austin there are XXX places all over, it's a little less secretive to drive into one of the gentlemens clubs than it is to look it up online, but it's still a problem.

With a family history smattered with the hidden and not so hidden effects of porn I am working tirelessly to protect my boys (and girls) from what their ancestors have been through.

Yes! It is an addiction, the body's reaction to it is similar to that of drugs, alcohol, gambling, food, etc. People can be addicted to a variety of things - moderation for the good things, and abstinance for those things that we have been counseled to avoid.

I'm grateful for the newspaper articles, conference talks, etc that are now addressing this issue in the open, please get educated and help be a solution.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

LeDoc,

"I keep reading about this obsession with porn. Then I think about the reports I've seen that state that Utah is the No. 1 state in online porn subscriptions. There seems to be an attitude that says if we say NO loud enough it will make a difference. Obviously that approach isn't working."
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I don’t know what statistics are for Utah but if it has restrictive laws for over the counter sale of adults only material, that could certainly drive online sales upward.

No, it’s not a matter of saying NO loud enough. Vigorous suppression of a commodity on moral grounds generally tends to add to its luster as forbidden fruit.

JayTee
Sandy, UT

What is "porn?" It used to be that if I woman showed her ankle, it was considered obscene. Some people get turned on by someone in a bikini, while others are apparently somewhat immune. As soon as you make something forbidden, the attraction and the price go up exponentially--just like "hard" drugs. Alcohol is the most dangerous drug in our society (particularly for non-users and victims of drunks), but for some reason it's often now considered a necessity for having fun. Maybe we should be focusing on leading people to healthy outlets for their human sexuality, rather than making it a forbidden topic and/or preaching that its only purpose is to crank out offspring. Seems like we're in a sexually obsessed society, and somehow we need to start dealing with it as part of life instead of some mysterious weakness which usually results in tragedy.

JayTee
Sandy, UT

@marxist: No, communism has always led not to "a more humane society," but rather just more poverty, alcoholism, corruption, and a lower standard of living. Socialism is nothing more than the beginnings of communism--and neither works, has ever worked, or ever will work. Since (a) everything is controlled by government in socialistic/communistic societies, and (b) government has no competition so therefore operates only on pure politics--the whole situation is ripe for opportunistic greed and abuse of power by those who end up in charge. It ALWAYS works this way, and always will. But, we tend to ignore the lessons of history and therefore duplicate the mistakes. Generations tend to complicate and ignore the obvious, and we seem to be a species of slow learners.

LifeLongLearner
Orem, UT

Dear JayTee, Scientist, and the other deniers,

Yes, people need to take personal responsibility. Yes, people need to stop hushing up sexuality and making it seem secret, dirty, and "forbidden".

However, if openness about sex actually was the answer, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in. Since the sexual revolution of the 60's and 70's all we've done is get progressively more and more open about sexual topics. It has gone well past the stage of healthy conversation and tipped into widespread coarseness, perversion, and an industry worse than the drug trade. Wake up! We've been fed lies from both the extremes: moral and immoral. People need help to recover from the horrible damage pornography causes to individuals, families, and societies. Anything that can aid that fight should be supported. Pornography should never be accepted as just "a part of life". And, PS--the Mormons and the Catholics preach that sex is not just for procreation, so I don't know who you're referring to. "Healthy outlets" for sexuality is a better focus than bashing those trying to reverse the effects of all the unhealthy outlets. Stick with that.

falasha
Mount Laurel, NJ

With long term sobriety, a father, husband, friend has a humility and bonding dependence on Christ's sustaining grace rather than daily consumption of epinephrine/dopamine cocktails as an escape from stress and emotional intimacy. The man depicted in the picture of the article will spend eternity without emotional intimacy, marriage, or friendship entirely alone with only pixels, and digital holographic avatar code as companionship. Asherah worship is as old as humanity. His will be the fate of many, many others who sold birthright blessings for a bowl of pottage. DCov 76:109, "the glory and the inhabitants of the telestial world, that they were as innumerable as the stars in the firmament of heaven, or as the sand upon the seashore." When Zelicah pulled a sword on Joseph's neck - he found he was contending with real evil. [Book of Jasher 44:53], anyone could be found dealing with real demons to save a friendship and marriage. "My yoke is easy, and my burden is light." - Prayers and blessings to those fighting for freedom. It's worth it, don't give up.

SAM1942
Casper, WY

Truevine has an excellent filter. We have used it for years and very simple to operate. And only the account owner can have it removed.

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