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Published: Tuesday, July 9 2013 1:35 p.m. MDT

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airnaut
Everett, 00

It didn't work in East Germany.

J Thompson
SPRINGVILLE, UT

Any thinking person would fix a broken water main before bailing out the water. Our Southern boarder is the broken water line. It has been drowning us with illegal aliens for decades. The border must be fixed before the flow of illegal aliens can be controlled.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I hope the author AND the DMN know that nobody's proposing just building the fence will fix the problem.

I've never heard any proposal to just build a fence/wall. Have you?

It makes a great straw-man argument though. Because it's totally true. Just building a fence would not fix the problem. But nobody's proposing just building the fence.

The fence is just one of many deterrents we need to show we are going to get serious about enforcing our borders. In my mind it's mainly a symbol of our commitment. It won't fix the problem by itself, but it show the people we are going to get serious about enforcement first, and shows would-be illegal border crossers that we plan to get serious about protecting our borders.

For sure a wall alone won't fix our problem. But on the other hand... would it make the problem worse? So why does it bother some people so much?

RichardB
Murray, UT

The walls mentioned were built for military purposes. Is that what we are facing?

The Wall, talked about in the bill s744 is the 710 miles from San Diego to El Paso. Our border with Mexico in Texas is mostly the Rio Grande river.

The 710 miles was suppose to be built as part of the 1986 amnesty, Did we get fooled. S744 has an opt out for even building the wall. It's never going to be built. To bad, the wall in Israel has proved very effective. How ever, it's not just the wall, we need enforcement in our interior, and E-verify for business, A three pronged approach. Israel deports without trial. If your there illegally, you get removed immediately.

Mexico has a wall on it's southern border, they didn't see it as a waste of time, but as a deterrent. They also deport after the first trial. A person can appeal from their home country. Unlike the US that let's them stay here until all appeals are exhausted.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

If ICE were able to accomplish some part of their jobs unhindered by the Obama administration, maybe we wouldn't need a wall.

Law enforcement in this country has basically been told to "look the other way", by BOTH political parties as regards illegal immigration.

I agree with the premise that (at least under the Obama administration)the wall will NEVER never be built. I also agree that the wall is purely symbolic. Its a sign of Americans actually coming together to protect the jobs of Americans, even when politicians won't.

I have a proposal: If the wall ever does get built, lets offer the first jobs to the LEGAL American workers who have lost their jobs to illegal trespassers.

oh, the irony!!

Counter Intelligence
Salt Lake City, UT

@airnaut

"It didn't work in East Germany."

The wall in East Germany was to keep people IN
You are comparing apples to tuna fish
there is NO rational comparison

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

The wall will accomplish exactly one thing, and one thing only. It will funnel tax payer dollars to the defense contractors who build it. Since we're winding down wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Halliburton et al need another excuse to gorge at the public trough. Hence a wall, and drones, and electronic surveillance. To stop this huge 'problem' with 'illegal immigrants.' (Despite the proven fact that most 'illegal immigrants' are folks who overstay their visas).
This anti-immigrant fervor is ridiculous, and has real-world consequences. I can solve the entire problem of illegal Mexican immigration in one easy step. Issue more green cards. Period. And our economy will grow, and entrepreneurship will flourish. Win win.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Actually, the wall worked quite well in Berlin. A wall will work here too. It will not stop all but it will stop the majority. E-Verify will get the rest. It needs to be a two stage process.

Despite my affections for a truly secure border, I feel we need a way to allow those here to continue here if they are just living their lives and trying to improve their lot. Sending them back makes no sense.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Twin Lights is right. airnaut is wrong.

The Berlin Wall DID work. It was a symbol and a deterrent till they day they took it down.

While I found the Berlin Wall abhorrent (especially East Germany's order to shoot people who try to get out)... it did work. It was a deterrent. It did keep most people from crossing (even though it was a bad and draconian policy to target your own citizens to keep them in). But it did "work", even if we didn't like it.

The wall became a symbol of East Germany's commitment to it's policy that people not cross the border. That's why it was so symbolic when it came down.

If we put up a fence... it would be mostly symbolic. It would indicate to Americans and Mexicans alike that we intend to enforce our borders. Mostly symbolic, but a message all the same.

What message does American politician's REFUSAL to build the fence send to Mexico?

It's mostly symbolic IMO.

And the letter is right... it won't "Fix" our problem on it's own.

airnaut
Everett, 00

...and Walls can keep people IN,
just as easy as they can keep people OUT.

The walls in Berlin started one way,
but were quickly turned around on their own.

Don't think it can't happen here as well.

Just look how they twisted it around on us with the NSA....

The Hammer
lehi, utah

The wall is a waste of money because most people can avoid stuff by just jumping the wall in big cities along the board. It happens all the time in San Diego.  Also most illegals are those that over stay visas.  Everify and biometrics is the only thing that will keep people honest and it will work a thousand times better and be far cheaper than a ridiculuos wall.  You can't do check points to round up illegals because it nobody will self incriminate and you can't force someone to show you their citizenship or legal documents (violates the 4th and 5th ammendments).  The current immigration bill is the best thing thus far on the table (mainly becuase most conservatives haven't even put a bill together yet).

RichardB
Murray, UT

South of San Diego there is a 95 percent drop in apprehensions in the Imperial Beach section from 1992 to 2004, and a 94 percent drop in the Chula Vista section during the same period.

Steel cable and wooden fence posts won't stop anyone. We need a real fence with razor wire (like a section of the border south of San Diego.

Reagan promised us a fence, so did Clinton in 1996 if we went along with NAFTA. We can build a fence that works, if business lobbyists stop trying to run our immigration department.

NedGrimley
Brigham City, UT

"...people are more concerned about what they might forfeit than gain from change."

Mickey Kovars
Tampa, FL

If a country can't control who is in and who is not, all else fails -- we lose control of our future. That's what happened to the Roman Empire.

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