Published: Tuesday, July 9 2013 1:35 p.m. MDT
It didn't work in East Germany.
Any thinking person would fix a broken water main before bailing out the water.
Our Southern boarder is the broken water line. It has been drowning us with
illegal aliens for decades. The border must be fixed before the flow of illegal
aliens can be controlled.
I hope the author AND the DMN know that nobody's proposing just building
the fence will fix the problem.I've never heard any proposal to
just build a fence/wall. Have you?It makes a great straw-man
argument though. Because it's totally true. Just building a fence would
not fix the problem. But nobody's proposing just building the fence.The fence is just one of many deterrents we need to show we are going to
get serious about enforcing our borders. In my mind it's mainly a symbol
of our commitment. It won't fix the problem by itself, but it show the
people we are going to get serious about enforcement first, and shows would-be
illegal border crossers that we plan to get serious about protecting our
borders.For sure a wall alone won't fix our problem. But on
the other hand... would it make the problem worse? So why does it bother some
people so much?
The walls mentioned were built for military purposes. Is that what we are
facing? The Wall, talked about in the bill s744 is the 710 miles
from San Diego to El Paso. Our border with Mexico in Texas is mostly the Rio
Grande river. The 710 miles was suppose to be built as part of the
1986 amnesty, Did we get fooled. S744 has an opt out for even building the wall.
It's never going to be built. To bad, the wall in Israel has proved very
effective. How ever, it's not just the wall, we need enforcement in our
interior, and E-verify for business, A three pronged approach. Israel deports
without trial. If your there illegally, you get removed immediately. Mexico has a wall on it's southern border, they didn't see it as a
waste of time, but as a deterrent. They also deport after the first trial. A
person can appeal from their home country. Unlike the US that let's them
stay here until all appeals are exhausted.
If ICE were able to accomplish some part of their jobs unhindered by the Obama
administration, maybe we wouldn't need a wall.Law enforcement
in this country has basically been told to "look the other way", by BOTH
political parties as regards illegal immigration.I agree with the
premise that (at least under the Obama administration)the wall will NEVER never
be built. I also agree that the wall is purely symbolic. Its a sign of
Americans actually coming together to protect the jobs of Americans, even when
politicians won't.I have a proposal: If the wall ever does get
built, lets offer the first jobs to the LEGAL American workers who have lost
their jobs to illegal trespassers.oh, the irony!!
@airnaut"It didn't work in East Germany."The wall in East Germany was to keep people INYou are comparing apples
to tuna fishthere is NO rational comparison
The wall will accomplish exactly one thing, and one thing only. It will funnel
tax payer dollars to the defense contractors who build it. Since we're
winding down wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Halliburton et al need another excuse
to gorge at the public trough. Hence a wall, and drones, and electronic
surveillance. To stop this huge 'problem' with 'illegal
immigrants.' (Despite the proven fact that most 'illegal
immigrants' are folks who overstay their visas). This anti-immigrant
fervor is ridiculous, and has real-world consequences. I can solve the entire
problem of illegal Mexican immigration in one easy step. Issue more green
cards. Period. And our economy will grow, and entrepreneurship will flourish.
Actually, the wall worked quite well in Berlin. A wall will work here too. It
will not stop all but it will stop the majority. E-Verify will get the rest.
It needs to be a two stage process.Despite my affections for a truly
secure border, I feel we need a way to allow those here to continue here if they
are just living their lives and trying to improve their lot. Sending them back
makes no sense.
Twin Lights is right. airnaut is wrong.The Berlin Wall DID work.
It was a symbol and a deterrent till they day they took it down.While I found the Berlin Wall abhorrent (especially East Germany's order
to shoot people who try to get out)... it did work. It was a deterrent. It
did keep most people from crossing (even though it was a bad and draconian
policy to target your own citizens to keep them in). But it did
"work", even if we didn't like it.The wall became a
symbol of East Germany's commitment to it's policy that people not
cross the border. That's why it was so symbolic when it came down.If we put up a fence... it would be mostly symbolic. It would indicate
to Americans and Mexicans alike that we intend to enforce our borders. Mostly
symbolic, but a message all the same.What message does American
politician's REFUSAL to build the fence send to Mexico?It's mostly symbolic IMO.And the letter is right... it
won't "Fix" our problem on it's own.
...and Walls can keep people IN, just as easy as they can keep people
OUT.The walls in Berlin started one way, but were quickly
turned around on their own.Don't think it can't happen
here as well.Just look how they twisted it around on us with the
The wall is a waste of money because most people can avoid stuff by just jumping
the wall in big cities along the board. It happens all the time in San
Diego. Also most illegals are those that over stay visas. Everify
and biometrics is the only thing that will keep people honest and it will work a
thousand times better and be far cheaper than a ridiculuos wall. You
can't do check points to round up illegals because it nobody will self
incriminate and you can't force someone to show you their citizenship or
legal documents (violates the 4th and 5th ammendments). The current
immigration bill is the best thing thus far on the table (mainly becuase most
conservatives haven't even put a bill together yet).
South of San Diego there is a 95 percent drop in apprehensions in the Imperial
Beach section from 1992 to 2004, and a 94 percent drop in the Chula Vista
section during the same period.Steel cable and wooden fence posts
won't stop anyone. We need a real fence with razor wire (like a section of
the border south of San Diego. Reagan promised us a fence, so did
Clinton in 1996 if we went along with NAFTA. We can build a fence that works, if
business lobbyists stop trying to run our immigration department.
"...people are more concerned about what they might forfeit than gain from
If a country can't control who is in and who is not, all else fails -- we
lose control of our future. That's what happened to the Roman Empire.
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