@Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, Utah11:13 a.m. July 9, 2013We need to think carefully when we judge others. We need to realize that
someday we will see everything as it really is, not as we think that it is.[I'm shocked? Is this the same Mike Richards posting on the other
DN comment boards?]He can never bring back the man that he shot, but
he has paid the price required.[Addam Swapp didn't shoot
anybody. He was a religious extremist fanatic (eerily similar to some others I
know, hint) who blew up a LDS Stake Center and coward behind his 2nd Amendment
right to confront Police and then edged on his brother-in-law, a minor, who
actually did the shooting.]
Brian Moody: How do atheist bums and religious bums differ and why should we
treat them differently? Mike Richards: Should they have given Mark
Hoffman more time to think? During his last parole hearing, Swapp
said that being incarcerated had actually been beneficial because it exposed him
to so many different cultures. But THEN he still describes the
events as 'what HAPPENED to ME.' The man is still not fit to enter
society. He views the events as happening to HIM, not as him CAUSING the
Mike R. @1222. I rarely agree with you, but I do here.We lived in
Kamas during those years. I came to know several relatives of Shirley Black,
one of the Singer wives. There was a strong dislike, even hate, directed toward
the entire Singer-Swapp family. This dislike was tied to the killing of John
Singer during the home schooling confrontation several years before. I felt empathy for the Singer-Swapp family and was sorry to hear all the
negativism about them. One day I thought I should go meet them, on their place,
and just get to know them. Maybe being a friend, a neighbor, could help change
something. But I didn't go.Within a few months our stake
center was bombed and Fred House died in the ensuing standoff.To
this day I still feel there was unjust judgement and a mean spirit directed to
that polygamous family. I feel a little guilt that I didn't follow a
prompting. Maybe we will understand in the hereafter.
the scientist; ...before trying to condemn those who do not believe in fiction.
Just because you don't believe doesn't mean that it is fiction. All
it means is that you don't believe. it still may be true.
Re: "I think all religious people should be treated for radical
beliefs..."I'm sure you'd include, then, those
religious people that inexplicably cling to the wildly improbable notion that,
over the billions of years of this universe's existence, it has not
produced a being more advanced than humans, or that such an advanced being
can't be interested or involved in our lives.Talk about crazy!
@ Scientist - just because someone's beliefs don't coincide with yours
does not make them "fiction". You are allowed to hold to
your atheist beliefs. Please allow others to worship as they see fit without
calling them "radicals."
So he served longer than the person who actually shot Fred House? I'm
always amazed when a widow can forgive the people who killed her husband, but if
she forgives him, then she has given herself and Addam Swapp a great gift.
There were other ways to solve the original problem. The "Swapps" were
in an isolated place. They could have easily been "guarded" by a single
police officer who could have easily monitored their entrance and exit.
Instead, the governor decided that action had to take place. He decided that
"lawless" people had to be "brought to justice". Unfortunately,
his decision cost the life of an American. It cost decades of the life of the
person who thought that he had the right to protect himself and his family
against the government.A misunderstanding was the foundation for
destruction.We don't need to "hurry things up" or to
"solve all problems". At we need to do is to be patient while people
have the time to think, to reason, to finally comprehend that we are all part of
society and that society has rules that are binding on all of us.Rushing to a conclusion cost the life of a good man and destroyed the life of
another man. In retrospect, it is clear that being patient was better than
demanding that "justice" happen that day, especially when the parties
did not agree on the definition of "justice".
Brian Moody wrote:"Is it fair game to use any atheist bum off the
street or psycho to represent the whole world of atheism?"I
could cite countless examples of believers doing exactly that, over and over
again.Clean your own "house of faith" before trying to
condemn those who do not believe in fiction.
re: ScientistBecause religious leaders around the world should all
know by now that it's the job of the Federal government to threaten
societies with destruction or penalties if their authoritarian decrees
"I think all religious people should be treated for radical
beliefs..."This is typical of today's hostile,
anti-religious culture. Take some nut case that's spent decades in jail
and make him the representative of all religion. Is it fair game to use any
atheist bum off the street or psycho to represent the whole world of atheism?
Addam Swapp has served his time. He has paid the debt required of him. He has
been "forgiven" by those he hurt. Life is complex. None of
us travel through life without hurting others. Most of us are not guilty of
murder, but our actions affect those around us. We need to think carefully when
we judge others. We need to realize that someday we will see everything as it
really is, not as we think that it is.Adam Swapp has been released.
He has paid the price levied on him by the state. We need to respect that
payment. He can never bring back the man that he shot, but he has paid the
price required.May he find peace and may Mrs. House be blessed for
allowing Mr. Swapp to return to society.
This could all have started with a dispute over an empty pew. It's a
slippery slope :-)
"Before he was sentenced in 1988, Swapp told the court that God had revealed
to him that he would not actually serve any time in prison and that Americans
would be destroyed if they didn't repent."Very typical of
religious leaders and radicals to threaten humanity and societies with
destruction or penalties if we don't obey their authoritarian decrees.I think all religious people should be treated for radical beliefs...
I hope the House family holds up during this time.
Whatever happened to the other individuals involved in this standoff? An
in-depth article on where House's widow, Vickie Singer, etc. are today and
what their lives are like would be interesting reporting. Hopefully, Addam Swapp
has reformed and will become a contributing member of society. People should
give him a chance and Swapp should make good by showing people around him that
he has changed and truly deserves the release he is being given.