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Published: Tuesday, July 9 2013 6:59 p.m. MDT

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Bloodhound
Provo, UT

Whatever happened to the other individuals involved in this standoff? An in-depth article on where House's widow, Vickie Singer, etc. are today and what their lives are like would be interesting reporting. Hopefully, Addam Swapp has reformed and will become a contributing member of society. People should give him a chance and Swapp should make good by showing people around him that he has changed and truly deserves the release he is being given.

Johnny Triumph
American Fork, UT

I hope the House family holds up during this time.

A Scientist
Provo, UT

"Before he was sentenced in 1988, Swapp told the court that God had revealed to him that he would not actually serve any time in prison and that Americans would be destroyed if they didn't repent."

Very typical of religious leaders and radicals to threaten humanity and societies with destruction or penalties if we don't obey their authoritarian decrees.

I think all religious people should be treated for radical beliefs...

New Yorker
Pleasant Grove, UT

This could all have started with a dispute over an empty pew. It's a slippery slope :-)

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Addam Swapp has served his time. He has paid the debt required of him. He has been "forgiven" by those he hurt.

Life is complex. None of us travel through life without hurting others. Most of us are not guilty of murder, but our actions affect those around us. We need to think carefully when we judge others. We need to realize that someday we will see everything as it really is, not as we think that it is.

Adam Swapp has been released. He has paid the price levied on him by the state. We need to respect that payment. He can never bring back the man that he shot, but he has paid the price required.

May he find peace and may Mrs. House be blessed for allowing Mr. Swapp to return to society.

Brian Moody
colorado springs, CO

"I think all religious people should be treated for radical beliefs..."

This is typical of today's hostile, anti-religious culture. Take some nut case that's spent decades in jail and make him the representative of all religion. Is it fair game to use any atheist bum off the street or psycho to represent the whole world of atheism?

GiuseppeG
Murray, Utah

re: Scientist

Because religious leaders around the world should all know by now that it's the job of the Federal government to threaten societies with destruction or penalties if their authoritarian decrees aren't obeyed.

The Scientist
Provo, UT

Brian Moody wrote:
"Is it fair game to use any atheist bum off the street or psycho to represent the whole world of atheism?"

I could cite countless examples of believers doing exactly that, over and over again.

Clean your own "house of faith" before trying to condemn those who do not believe in fiction.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

There were other ways to solve the original problem. The "Swapps" were in an isolated place. They could have easily been "guarded" by a single police officer who could have easily monitored their entrance and exit. Instead, the governor decided that action had to take place. He decided that "lawless" people had to be "brought to justice". Unfortunately, his decision cost the life of an American. It cost decades of the life of the person who thought that he had the right to protect himself and his family against the government.

A misunderstanding was the foundation for destruction.

We don't need to "hurry things up" or to "solve all problems". At we need to do is to be patient while people have the time to think, to reason, to finally comprehend that we are all part of society and that society has rules that are binding on all of us.

Rushing to a conclusion cost the life of a good man and destroyed the life of another man. In retrospect, it is clear that being patient was better than demanding that "justice" happen that day, especially when the parties did not agree on the definition of "justice".

RSPcda
Blackfoot, ID

So he served longer than the person who actually shot Fred House? I'm always amazed when a widow can forgive the people who killed her husband, but if she forgives him, then she has given herself and Addam Swapp a great gift.

ImaUteFan
West Jordan, UT

@ Scientist - just because someone's beliefs don't coincide with yours does not make them "fiction".

You are allowed to hold to your atheist beliefs. Please allow others to worship as they see fit without calling them "radicals."

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "I think all religious people should be treated for radical beliefs..."

I'm sure you'd include, then, those religious people that inexplicably cling to the wildly improbable notion that, over the billions of years of this universe's existence, it has not produced a being more advanced than humans, or that such an advanced being can't be interested or involved in our lives.

Talk about crazy!

Shimlau
SAINT GEORGE, UT

the scientist; ...before trying to condemn those who do not believe in fiction. Just because you don't believe doesn't mean that it is fiction. All it means is that you don't believe. it still may be true.

Conservative
Cedar City, UT

Mike R. @1222. I rarely agree with you, but I do here.

We lived in Kamas during those years. I came to know several relatives of Shirley Black, one of the Singer wives. There was a strong dislike, even hate, directed toward the entire Singer-Swapp family. This dislike was tied to the killing of John Singer during the home schooling confrontation several years before.

I felt empathy for the Singer-Swapp family and was sorry to hear all the negativism about them. One day I thought I should go meet them, on their place, and just get to know them. Maybe being a friend, a neighbor, could help change something. But I didn't go.

Within a few months our stake center was bombed and Fred House died in the ensuing standoff.

To this day I still feel there was unjust judgement and a mean spirit directed to that polygamous family. I feel a little guilt that I didn't follow a prompting. Maybe we will understand in the hereafter.

Kate Hutch
Kenmore, WA

Brian Moody: How do atheist bums and religious bums differ and why should we treat them differently?

Mike Richards: Should they have given Mark Hoffman more time to think?

During his last parole hearing, Swapp said that being incarcerated had actually been beneficial because it exposed him to so many different cultures.

But THEN he still describes the events as 'what HAPPENED to ME.' The man is still not fit to enter society. He views the events as happening to HIM, not as him CAUSING the events.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

@Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah
11:13 a.m. July 9, 2013

We need to think carefully when we judge others. We need to realize that someday we will see everything as it really is, not as we think that it is.

[I'm shocked? Is this the same Mike Richards posting on the other DN comment boards?]

He can never bring back the man that he shot, but he has paid the price required.

[Addam Swapp didn't shoot anybody. He was a religious extremist fanatic (eerily similar to some others I know, hint) who blew up a LDS Stake Center and coward behind his 2nd Amendment right to confront Police and then edged on his brother-in-law, a minor, who actually did the shooting.]

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