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BYU football: Some fences appear to be mended between BYU, Mountain West Conference

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  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 9, 2013 4:07 p.m.

    toosmartforyou
    Farmington, UT
    Howard, the "fact man"....

    BYU has a national championship in football. Utah does not.
    BYU has a Heisman trophy winner. Utah does not.
    BYU has a superior stadium and even in the down years of Crowton BYU sold more tickets per game than Utah's stadium holds at full capacity. LOL!!

    _______

    What does "superior stadium" mean? When you beat Idaho State & New Mexico State perhaps. Not superior when you lose to Utah, Oregon State.......at home.
    According to your logic, Utah & San Jose State have superior stadiums because BYU lost on the road.

  • Warrior Parent Belle Glade, FL
    July 9, 2013 2:52 p.m.

    1983... Steve Young 55-7

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    July 9, 2013 12:06 a.m.

    Howard, the "fact man", round two...

    OK, explain away these facts with your rose-colored glass that have a big PAC on one lens and a 12 on the other. And now that Utah might miraculously somehow get to the Vegas Bowl some future year, tell us how it suddenly became so appealing since Utes always bad-mouthed it when BYU played in it. Make sense now with your logic........

    How did Utah fare in the Rose Bowl...wait...the PAC 12 Championship Game...wait...the game against Colorado in SLC the first year they were conference rivals...wait...against UNLV a few years ago (27 - 0 for UNLV - remember?)...wait...against PAC 12 teams in football the last two years...wait...switch to Basketball.....never mind.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    July 9, 2013 12:04 a.m.

    Howard, the "fact man"....

    BYU has a national championship in football. Utah does not.
    BYU has a Heisman trophy winner. Utah does not.
    BYU has a superior stadium and even in the down years of Crowton BYU sold more tickets per game than Utah's stadium holds at full capacity. LOL!!

    When they were in the same conference, WAC or MWC, BYU DOMINATED all other schools in every major sport in regards to championships. Utah did not. In fact, Utah NEVER won a track & field championship----not once.

    So, include all the facts when carping about how great Utah is and how lousy BYU is in football or anything else.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 8, 2013 11:44 p.m.

    anti BCS
    Anaheim, CA
    U 90

    "The Utes have become the more relevant football team over the past decade..."

    What makes U think an unranked, bowl-less, conference bottom dweller is relevant?

    The truth is, the Utes are no more relevant than Washington State, Colorado, Indiana, Vanderbilt, Iowa State, Northwestern, Rutgers, and Maryland - perennial big boy conference bottom dwellers whose only relevancy is being a whipping boy for the big boys of the conference.

    ______

    Nothing like a bitter BYU fan with no real conference affiliation. Carry on with your hopeless and creative ways to think irrelevant Independence is the way to go.

    At least come up with better schools. Half those you listed were in bowls last year.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    July 8, 2013 11:06 p.m.

    @ anti BCS

    "The truth is, the Utes are no more relevant than Washington State, Colorado, Indiana, Vanderbilt, Iowa State, Northwestern, Rutgers, and Maryland - perennial big boy conference bottom dwellers whose only relevancy is being a whipping boy for the big boys of the conference"

    Don't forget BYU on this list of irrelevant teams that Utah beats down annually. The cougies haven't been relevant since Coach Edwards retired! BYU also solidified their irrelevance by declaring their independence.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    July 8, 2013 5:28 p.m.

    U 90

    "The Utes have become the more relevant football team over the past decade..."

    What makes U think an unranked, bowl-less, conference bottom dweller is relevant?

    The truth is, the Utes are no more relevant than Washington State, Colorado, Indiana, Vanderbilt, Iowa State, Northwestern, Rutgers, and Maryland - perennial big boy conference bottom dwellers whose only relevancy is being a whipping boy for the big boys of the conference.

  • STuFOO Korea, AE
    July 8, 2013 11:03 a.m.

    Hoqward

    "If my comments about BYU were so ludicrous neither you nor your Cougar Nation brethren would feel compelled to attempt rebuttal..."

    What?!

    That is like a burglar who claims self defense when he gets shot by a home owner.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    July 8, 2013 10:15 a.m.

    I'm sure most of my Y fan friends would agree, that despite the comments of a few here, WINS in BCS games matter more than some obscure ranking system in a magazine somewhere. BYU needs to GET 'ER DONE ON THE FIELD with its great new scheduling and then the respect will come. Earned respect, rather than the kind that is argued for.

    Utah will also be under pressure to deliver since the 2004 and 2008 BCS wins are now in the more distant past. Both teams struggle to dominate the mid-majors over the long haul so the carping over record is pretty silly.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    July 7, 2013 9:54 p.m.

    @Uteanymous "BYU has owned U where it really counts, in the final AP rankings"

    Yes, BYU has been ranked more often than Utah, but is that where it really counts? The Utes have become the more relevant football team over the past decade or so winning 10 of their last 11 bowl games including wins in the types of bowls (Fiesta, Sugar) that BYU can only dream of. Utah has dominated the head-to-head during that period as well and has been invited to a major football conference.

    Sure, Utah missed their first bowl game in a decade in 2012 but played a much tougher schedule than BYU and even beat the Cougars, so lets not pretend that a #25 ranking built on the backs of Idaho, New Mexico State, Weber State and Hawaii means anything. If Utah had scheduled that many cupcakes they would have been ranked and bowl eligible too.

    We'll see how good the storied, national brand, legacy BYU program is when they finally play a half way decent schedule in 2013.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 7, 2013 8:57 p.m.

    @midpacmajor

    Oh... no need to refute your "facts" because they haven't prevented Utah from being invited to the big boy status that BYU so desperately craves...

    Enjoy your records and rankings... but remember this article is about BYU hoping for scheduling arrangements with the MWC...

    you know... the Mid-Major MWC... kind of puts BYUs statuture in perspective.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    July 7, 2013 8:54 p.m.

    upinthenight

    Your so-called island of misfits has finished in the Top 25 and won two bowl games, while your big boy conference bottom dwellers haven't received a single vote in either poll and have only played in one bowl game. You're not even good enough to beat WAC teams anymore.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 7, 2013 8:39 p.m.

    Uteanymous said:

    "WACpaddled

    ""You don't know how BYU would do playing a PAC 12 schedule in all sports.""

    What we do know is BYU would do A LOT better than the Utes have done or will ever do."

    More wishful thinking from a BYU fan. You belong to the island of misfits now - independent. ND is your only competition, well in a way. They are semi affiliated with the ACC. Perhaps you focus on dominating Idaho, New Mex St, Army and what else there is in the independent conference! That's as close as you will get to a real conference for now.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 7, 2013 8:19 p.m.

    Howard S.

    "Utah has dominated BYU for the last decade..."

    It must be soooo frustrating to be constantly finishing with worse records and lower rankings than a team you've supposedly "dominated" and "out-recruited".

    Kyle has more losses to losing teams, a worse overall record, fewer Top 25 finishes, fewer conference championships, fewer bowls, and has finished with a worse record and lower ranking than Bronco in 5 of 8 seasons.

    These facts can't be refuted... but you will try...

    Despite your fortunate invitation to a big boy conference, you're still BYU's little brother.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 7, 2013 7:16 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs
    STuFOO:

    "If you truly were a better program, you wouldn't have to say a word".
    ******************

    If my comments about BYU were so ludicrous neither you nor your Cougar Nation brethren would feel compelled to attempt rebuttal...

    The fact is that there is no real rebuttal for the truth...

    And the truth is as follows:

    Utah has dominated BYU for the last decade...
    BYU has been rejected by every major conference in the country...
    BYU has been reduced to celebrating 2 for 1 schedules with college football big boys...
    Bronco has a losing record against the BCS and/or ranked teams...
    BYUs bowl prospects are limited to 3rd tier bowls and no bowl commitment at all for 2014...
    BYUs recruiting has declined since announcing indy.

    These facts that really can't be refuted... but you will try... because the facts are in conflict with the delusional image that many hold of BYU football.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 7, 2013 7:02 p.m.

    U 90

    BYU has owned U since color television became common place, 29 of the last 50.

    More importantly, BYU has owned U where it really counts, in the final AP rankings.

    SEVENTEEN to five

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 7, 2013 6:59 p.m.

    WACpaddled

    "You don't know how BYU would do playing a PAC 12 schedule in all sports."

    What we do know is BYU would do A LOT better than the Utes have done or will ever do.

    BYU's #43 final national 2012-13 ranking in the Directors' Cup may not be "elite", but it's A LOT better than Utah's #77 ranking.

    In fact, BYU's AVERAGE ranking for the last 20 years, #30, is better than Utah's best single year ranking, EVER, #37.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    July 7, 2013 6:44 p.m.

    WACPaddled

    We know how Utah will continue to do in the PAC

    7-11 so far and trending down

    Washington owns U
    ASU owns U
    Colorado owns U
    USC owns U
    UCLA owns U
    California owns U
    Oregon owns U
    Oregon St owns U

    AFA owns U
    Army owns U
    Boise St owns U
    Hawaii owns U
    Creighton owns U
    Iowa St owns U
    Santa Clara owns U
    Saint Mary's owns U
    and most embarrassing of all, YMCA owns U

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 7, 2013 6:43 p.m.

    @sammyg

    Ridicule BYU?

    Actually... there is no need to ridicule...

    The facts tell you all need to know about the stature and future of BYU football.

    - Not even given serious consideration for invitation to any of the BCS conferences...
    - Losing record against BCS comptetion...
    - Dominated by Utah over the last decade...
    - Settling for 2 for 1 scheduling arrangements with the big boys of college football...
    - Since the announcement of indy recruiting rankings among the lowest in Bronco's tenure...
    - After this year only 2 bowl appearances committed to a 3rd tier bowl game...

    Ridicule... no need... the facts are sufficient.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    July 7, 2013 4:48 p.m.

    @ Tators "If you want to talk about winning streaks, I distinctly remember BYU having a 19-2 winning streak over Utah under coach Edwards. Talk about embarrassing for Utah. But both that and Utah's recent mini-streak are now history"

    When you refer to Utah's mini-streak, are you talking about 3 of 4, 8 of 11, 13 of 20 or 56 of 90?

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    July 7, 2013 4:40 p.m.

    @Bluto "National Brands with Legacy and Tradition can play anywhere (see BYU)

    If your team has lost 13 of the last 20 to the lowly Utah then your team is probably not legacy or national brand

  • H. Van Smeiter Tampa, FL
    July 7, 2013 2:49 p.m.

    I'm over all the negativity between BYU and Utah fans, but I realize it's not going anywhere and could be worse. That said, I really want to beat Utah this year, but I have nothing but respect for what the BYU alums have accomplished on the Hill. Independence has brought an interesting scheduling consideration that few other schools would see. November scheduling has proven to be the most difficult. So naturally BYU is more willing to give when they can get a November matchup. Hence the 2-1 with USC and the 1-1 with MTSU. Also BYU is unique in the appeal of neutral site games. So some of these that look like 2-1s really are 1-1-1s. I would rather have major conference membership (kudos Utes) but this is much better for the program than the MWC.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 7, 2013 2:44 p.m.

    Riverton Cougar
    Riverton, UT
    "The truth is the Cougar Nation would dump indy (and even their sears directors cup stature) in second for Utah's PAC12 conference affiliation."

    Even if that were so, according to indications (such as the Director's Cup) BYU would fare much, much better in the PAC-12 than Utah would. For one, BYU doesn't lose to 2-10 teams at home.

    _____

    Nice prediction to make for something that has not actually happened. You don't know how BYU would do playing a PAC 12 schedule in all sports.

    Colorado owns you.
    San Jose State owns you.
    Utah owns you.
    Get over it.

  • H. Van Smeiter Tampa, FL
    July 7, 2013 2:38 p.m.

    Kind of enlightening considering that BYU needs cooperation from the MWC for mid-season scheduling with league members, so nice to know Craig Thompson isn't holding a grudge. As for individual teams, it's no secret that Wyoming, CSU, New Mexico, and San Diego St still hate BYU. But they hated us in the WAC and MWC, so no surprises there.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 7, 2013 10:41 a.m.

    STuFOO:
    "If you truly were a better program, you wouldn't have to say a word".

    Very well stated. That statement does sum up ute fans' delusional thinking. See, ute fans, there's a reason you never talked smack to Wyoming or CSU fans. Because U knew U were a better program...but every time U have to come to BYU articles to beat your chest, you prove just how insecure U are about your program in relation to BYU. I've said before, and I'll repeat...what do people who "don't care", or have clear superiority over a subject have in common? Silence about the subject of their apathy. But thank you so much Howie, MyPerspective, et al for every day proving us right that U do indeed care and do indeed suffer from a little brother complex.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 7, 2013 9:34 a.m.

    Howie

    Your PAC10.2 membership means nothing to me.

    Having you come on to BYU stories, ridicule BYU's independence, scheduling and seeking some form of validation about your team's conference membership and non-existent superiority is pretty funny and pathetic at the same time, especially since your team is an overall loser.

    It's pretty much a sure bet in Vegas that the utes will be bowl-less again this December. How does that make you feel? I will relish the peace and quiet that this annual non-event will bring.

    Thanks to you and others I enjoy Ute sports more than ever. Every Ute loss serves as an accurate barometer of Dnews BYU hater responses and endless joy. The more Ute losses, the less responses from BYU haters such as yourself. Last December was the best.

    For this reason I really enjoy watching you Utesies go into a stupor over why these things happen. Love the excuses.

    Seeing the cyclical run up to this annual event is especially rewarding. Even more so since we're shooting for back to back bowl-less seasons.

    Can't wait.

    Sour grapes? Hardly

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 7, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    "The truth is the Cougar Nation would dump indy (and even their sears directors cup stature) in second for Utah's PAC12 conference affiliation."

    Even if that were so, according to indications (such as the Director's Cup) BYU would fare much, much better in the PAC-12 than Utah would. For one, BYU doesn't lose to 2-10 teams at home.

  • STuFOO Korea, AE
    July 7, 2013 8:11 a.m.

    Howard,

    so, to sum up.

    You feel BYU is a lesser program.
    You feel that BYU's football team is a lesser football team.
    You feel that BU's independence isn't as lofty as u'r PAC 10+u membership.
    You feel that BYU fans are delusional for believing in their team.
    You feel that since Utah has won a few, BYU will never win again.
    You feel that BYU overall isn't as good of a school as the u.

    Fact, u can argue all you want with BYU fans and you can't win. It's all subjective.

    The only FACT is...

    You come to BYU articles to make your arguments.

    The very definition of "little brother syndrome" is the desire to prove themselves to that older sibling. The fierce desire to constantly offer proof and evidence not that they are not equal, but that they are better. It is the constant hounding to convince someone of their status...

    because deep in their hearts, they know they are not.

    Sound familiar?

    If you truly were a better program, you wouldn't have to say a word.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 6, 2013 11:19 p.m.

    @TheSportsAuthority et.al.

    Love all the sour grapes belittling of Utah PAC12 membership...

    The truth is the Cougar Nation would dump indy (and even their sears directors cup stature) in second for Utah's PAC12 conference affiliation.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 6, 2013 10:28 p.m.

    Howard S.

    You must be completely embarrassed by Utah's Directors' Cup rankings, especially since it proves that the quality of Utah's athletic programs weren't even considered when Utah was invited to the PAC.

    An average #63 ranking in the Directors' Cup rankings is proof of that.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    July 6, 2013 10:18 p.m.

    howie

    Utah fans beat their gums about being in the "conference of champions", but when it comes to actually have ANY athletic programs that actually fit that criteria, the Utes aren't even on the radar.

    When was the last time Utah's men actually won a national championship in anything besides coed-skiing?

    Face it, you're nothing but bottom filler for the big boys of the conference to pad their conference win totals. The chances of Utah's men actually winning a conference championship in anything are slim and none, and the chances of them winning a national championship are nil.

    You're all talk, but when it comes to proving you belong, there's no walk.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 6, 2013 10:03 p.m.

    @BlueCoug

    You must be very proud of that lofty directors cup ranking...

    Just wondering... if such a high ranking doesn't matter to the power brokers of college athletics (the 5 power conferences) what good is it?

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    July 6, 2013 9:27 p.m.

    Howard S.

    "Directors cup ranking has to be the lamest form of smack ever..."

    Only to a Utah fan whose overall athletic program pales in comparison to BYU and every team in the PAC 12 except Washington State.

    "If it meant anything BYU's elite 43rd place finish would certainly have garnered a major conference invite..."

    What it proves is that Utah wasn't invited to the "conference of champions" because of the excellence of Utah's athletic programs.

    #43 isn't elite, but it's certain MUCH higher (and nearly double as many points) as Utah managed.

    In 2012-13,

    BYU earned points in TEN sports: M-CC, Football, W-Soc, W-Vol, W-Gym, M-Golf, W-SB, M-Ten, M-T&F, and M-Vol

    Utah earned points in THREE sports: W-Gym, Coed-Ski, and W-T&F

    Except for coed skiing, Utah's men didn't place high enough in ANY sport to earn a single point.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    July 6, 2013 9:02 p.m.

    ekute

    "Utah would do just as good in the WCC... Better than BYU in last years basketball tournament...nothing to brag about."

    You're forgetting that after getting upset in the WCC tournament, BYU made it all the way to the semi-finals of the NIT, easily beating RPI #86 Washington, #140 Mercer, and #34 So Miss.

    Despite your boasting, you don't have a clue how Utah would have done in the WCC tournament. A team that lost to Sacramento State, SMU, and Cal State Northridge during the regular season, could have easily lost to any team in the WCC tournament.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 6, 2013 8:30 p.m.

    MyPerspective

    What did expect the Presidents and Chancellors to say about Colorado and Utah in their press conference, that they just needed a couple of fillers to expand their television market and hold a conference championship game?

    The truth is Utah and Colorado were no more "deserving" of being invited to the PAC 12, than Maryland and Rutgers were "deserving" of being invited to the BlG.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 6, 2013 7:03 p.m.

    @BlueCoug

    Directors cup ranking has to be the lamest form of smack ever...

    If it meant anything BYUs elite 43rd place finish would certainly have garnered a major conference invite... but alas...

    it means nothing in the modern world of college athletics.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 6, 2013 6:51 p.m.

    @Surf is Up

    Wow... that was blunt... and likely to lead to some serious reflection and soul searching... or not...

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 6, 2013 6:25 p.m.

    @Tators

    I'm guessing you predict a BYU win every year... if so you're pretty poor prognosticator.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 6, 2013 6:14 p.m.

    Utah would do just as good in the wcc... Better than byu in last years basketball tournament...nothing to brag about.

    You guys are so good with stats and numbers, why don't one of you post byu's student body size, venues, and money vs the wcc.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    July 6, 2013 5:36 p.m.

    TroyTown

    "Utah was simply the best available, non-religious school, within the PAC's geographic footprint, but outside of California."

    Had you paid attention to the press conference held when the Pac-10 Presidents and Chancellors extended the invitation to the University of Utah (as well as the post-conference statements extended to the U by Presidents of Pac-10 schools) you would know that your assertion is not only a flat out lie but paints you as someone who continues to be seething with envy. The Pac-10 Presidents and Chancellors did their homework and found the University of Utah worthy of the invitation in every respect.

    Accept it because there isn't thing one you can do about it.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    July 6, 2013 5:26 p.m.

    ekute

    The Directors' Cup was created in 1993-94 by the National Association of College Directors of Athletics NACDA to honor institutions maintaining a broad-based program, achieving success in many sports, both men’s and women’s. In the Directors' Cup, points are awarded based on each institution's finish in up to 20 sports -- 10 women’s and 10 men’s.

    BYU finished 43rd with 505.00 points; 1st in the WCC.

    Utah finished 77th with 261.25 points, 11th in the PAC-12.

    For the 21st time in 21 Directors' Cups, BYU finished ahead of Utah in the final standings.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    July 6, 2013 3:52 p.m.

    @ Howard S:

    If you want to talk about winning streaks, I distinctly remember BYU having a 19-2 winning streak over Utah under coach Edwards. Talk about embarrassing for Utah. But both that and Utah's recent mini-streak are now history. The Y's new win streak starts this September. It's a done deal. As Chris B likes to say... You can put it in writing.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    July 6, 2013 3:47 p.m.

    "Aggies need the Y as their main event anymore. I don't think so. Also, time for the Y to try a different color than the Aggies. Go back to your true blue sky blue."

    usu fans sing the same old, boring song. Poor baby, another school has a shade of blue. Cry us a river. Can't wait to beat them again this year. Glad they are in the WAC.2 still. It's where they belong.

    "May BYU could schedule Utah on a two for one basis."
    How about utah starts by scheduling one? Good grief. Oh wait, they'd rather play little old Fresno instead. When Fresno beats utah, millions of BYU fans are going to be laughing hysterically!

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    July 6, 2013 3:39 p.m.

    ekute @ 2:08 pm

    Kudos to BYU for the success they've achieved so far as an independent in football. I think the results of this year will prove to be either a launching board or a stumbling block for the future of the program.

    Not as many Kudos for they're Olympic sports in the WCC."

    ekute, BYU won the WCC commissioners cup for overall sports performance for 2012-2013. It was awarded June 6, 2013.

    Maybe you were talking about your PAC-thetic Utes and their olympic sports...oh wait, do they even compete in most of them?...we know the Utes do in swimming.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 6, 2013 2:14 p.m.

    troytown,

    He might be drinking the red koolaid because it tastes better than sour grapes.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 6, 2013 2:08 p.m.

    eastcoastcoug,

    Kudos to BYU for the success they've achieved so far as an independent in football. I think the results of this year will prove to be either a launching board or a stumbling block for the future of the program.

    Not as many Kudos for they're Olympic sports in the WCC.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    July 6, 2013 2:02 p.m.

    eastcoastcoug

    I don't know why you're drinking the red koolaid.

    The Utes weren't invited to the PAC 12 because they won a couple of bcs games. They were invited because the PAC 10 / Big 12 South merger fell through and the PAC needed another team in addition to Colorado to hold a CCG.

    Utah was simply the best available, non-religious school, within the PAC's geographic footprint, but outside of California.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    July 6, 2013 1:33 p.m.

    I don't get some Y fans' putdowns of Utah in the PAC 12. Kudo's to Utah for winning 2 BCS bowls and EARNING the chance to be invited to an awesome conference!!

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 6, 2013 12:49 p.m.

    @MacNasty

    If losing 3 of 4 is embarrassing... how humiliating must it be to have lost 8 of the last 11?

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    July 6, 2013 12:48 p.m.

    MacNasty

    "...your Utes will have to break 0.500 to even make it to the "Welcome" door mat bowl."

    Actually, a 0.500 season would probably land the Utes in the Las Vegas Bowl. Another bowl to which byu does not have access.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    July 6, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    sammyg
    "No one cares what you say about this 2 for 1 stuff. BYU is getting top notch games everywhere when you said they couldn't."

    The doubters of byu ever playing against storied programs as an independent never included the condition of 2 for 1. In other words, the assumption was that the games would be 1 for 1. They are not and Holmoe is making a lot of concessions. Holmoe has no bargaining power with these games but has managed, at least so far, to sell ponies and rainbows to the byu fans base as he continues to put lipstick on a pig. Very entertaining.

    You don't see USU fans swinging from the rafters with joy and excitement for their upcoming game with USC. And before you counter with..."well, USC isn't going to visit Logan," remember that byu's series with USC doesn't even start for six years and won't conclude for 10 years. Also recall that Nebraska and Michigan won't be visiting Provo either. What's Holmoe going to announce at his media day next year...that Ohio State is scheduled to visit Provo in 50 years??

    btw...byu's 2014 schedule is no better than the 2010 schedule.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    July 6, 2013 12:42 p.m.

    Big deal and good riddance to the MWC. The only school that is halfway interesting is Air Force. Could we really care less about Wyoming, CSU, UNLV???

    This article is fluff as the 2 schools mentioned only recently joined the MWC.

    I love the scheduling around the country, but will get most excited about BYU when they WIN vs. Wisconsin, ND, etc. and WIN in a couple of BCS bowls a la BSU, TCU and... (hate to say it but am honest) Utah. We should all be about performance and less about what we THINK WE DESERVE!!!!

  • hipsterdoofus NORTH SALT LAKE, UT
    July 6, 2013 12:31 p.m.

    I for one would like to see Utah State and BYU faceoff in November, but only if it's a home and home arrangement. Otherwise BYU can go schedule Idaho State that weekend. Boise is now our biggest game of the year anyway.

    I'm assuming the BYU fans that continue to harp on attendance at MOFARS are also the same ones that believe BYU is much better than St. Mary's and Gonzaga because the MC attendance is greater. Or maybe they just feel a need to compensate for other shortcomings in their lives by basing their self esteem on LES attendance.

    Remember, the Aggies are having to grow a fanbase from the ashes of near extinction (no thanks to BYU and Utah). It'll take time to catch up, but it's a new age in Cache Valley and our numbers are increasing by the day.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 6, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    @Howard aka Navalvet

    USC also has perpetual home and homes with Wazzu.
    And USC fans aren't flocking to their Mecca....Pullman Washington, either.

    Sometimes schools schedule other teams because they have to (see Utah), not because they choose to (see BYU).

    Unlike Utah, a road game for BYU in Los Angeles, is home away from home.
    Just as it is whenever they (BYU) play on the road.

    National Brands with Legacy and Tradition can play anywhere(see BYU) because their fans are everywhere.

    They don't need a Conference Crutch (see Utah).

    As for the New Normal...
    See Utah Basketball and Football... losing programs under under .500.

    Utah Utes...The Pac's tier-3 sparring partner.
    Let us know the next time your Utes are invited to 'ANY" Bowl Game.

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    July 6, 2013 11:52 a.m.

    ekute,

    I must admit it is embarrassing to loss to Utah 3 of the last 4 times, however that unfortunate streak will end this year and the Cougs will be bowling. The Ute fans will be making excuses about another losing season and flooding the boards with nonsense such as SOS, meaningless number minutia and comparisons.

    ekute, your Utes will have to break 0.500 to even make it to the "Welcome" door mat bowl.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 6, 2013 11:34 a.m.

    macnasty,

    Just like Utah gets with byu. lol.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 6, 2013 11:32 a.m.

    cougsndawgs,

    Every day, you guys are quick to point out that Utah missed out on ONE year of bowling.

    With byu's upcoming schedule you might start thinking about how you like your crow...baked, fried or grilled.

    btw...using byu "fan's" way of thinking, it doesn't matter that we didn't go bowling last year because Utah has a better bowl record. lol.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 6, 2013 11:31 a.m.

    More gnashing, all is right in the world.

    But just an observation: a 2-1 with USC is a win/win. It does not hurt our feelings to play a legacy team twice in a region where we are recruiting.

    A 2-1 with Utah has no advantages and is only a punishment. This is why it is only a fantasy in a few Ute fans mind.

    USU playing a 2-1 with BYU makes financial sense for them, but just as they were there for us and have begun to prove parity on the field, so is it our turn to be there for them and respect their parity with a 1-1.

    Unless they prefer the financial incentives.

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    July 6, 2013 11:18 a.m.

    Re: Howard S @ 8:45 am

    "Utah has perpetual home and home schedule with USC"

    And USC in return gets a perpetual punching bag with Utah.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 6, 2013 11:02 a.m.

    Howie:
    Beatings at the hands of Trojans, cardinals, ducks, sundevils, huskies, bruins, and beavers...

    Decorating your tree, and caroling with neighbors during bowl season...

    Watching the HC crowd dwindle around game 4 or 5 of bb season

    Watching BYUs trophy case expand while the Us collects more dust...(U can always shine up your PAC12 logo)

    "It's the new normal"...enjoy. Lol

  • Ghost Writer GILBERT, AZ
    July 6, 2013 10:55 a.m.

    It's not all about football . . . I've loved having the Cougars play in the WCC.

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    July 6, 2013 10:09 a.m.

    We can only hope that, someday, the Cougars learn that they ate not the center of the football universe.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 6, 2013 9:53 a.m.

    @sammyg

    BYU is scheduling big boy schools because they are settling for two for ones... reflecting BYUs stature in the modern era of college football.

    Two for ones with the big boys and one and done patsies at home to balance the schedule is the present and future for BYU in independence.

    oh... and 3rd tier bowl games whether the record is 6-6 or 10-2...

    It's the new normal... enjoy.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    July 6, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    While I crave AFA on the future schedule (and AFA likely wants BYU too) the logistics of such a game are not in the cards. AFA plays three non-conference games. Two of those are Navy and Army. AFA is scheduled out for the third game for many years.

    I would like to see a neutral site game for any of the academies.

    I never want BYU to play in Laramie. If we play Wyoming it needs to be our Idaho State/Weber of the year and at home only. In fact I would always prefer Weber State on the schedule since they are a bit more competitive than Wyoming has been.

    There are no current advantages to playing NM or CSU.

    USU, AFA, Hawaii, UNLV, SDSU, Boise St., Fresno are all good games for one reason or another, however the only team on that list I really really miss has been AFA.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 6, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    little howie

    No one cares what you say about this 2 for 1 stuff. BYU is getting top notch games everywhere when you said they couldn't.

    As BYU continues to put a better team on the field the scheduling opportunities will improve and more teams will be willing to play BYU on a one for one basis. BYU has to earn the right.

    It's enough for me and my buddies that schools are already agreeing to play BYU, something all of you Utesies said would never happen.

    And 'we' KNOW that bothers you. LOL

    Tom Holmoe has done an excellent job as BYU's AD. This scheduling is really coming together.

    What has your AD done lately?

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 6, 2013 9:21 a.m.

    I like independence better than being in the MWC, for everything except the bowl deal. However, I think there are better options.

    1. My first choice would be an invite to Big12. I do think the Big12 will move to 12 teams at some point. I just don't know when. Louisville moving to the ACC greatly improves the chance that BYU will get one of the two invites.

    2. My second choice would be to see BYU put together a deal with the MWC like Notre Dame has with the ACC. Move all sports to MWC, except football where we would play 5 games against MWC foes and align with their bowls.

    3. Continue in WCC and football independence. While I love looking at the beautiful Pepperdine campus, I'd rather watch Tyler Haws and Kyle Collinsworth play UNLV or Colorado St. Zags are the only team I really like to see us compete against.

    4. Last choice would be to move back to MWC. I like the great football schedule of independence more than the seeing all other sports move back to MWC.

  • Thidder MAPLETON, UT
    July 6, 2013 9:20 a.m.

    The last time I visited BYU Campus was 1964 playing in the High School State Championship basketball game in the old Smith Fieldhouse. After BYU colluded to keep USU from the WAC, I have refused to set foot on that hallowed ground. For twenty years working near the shadows of BYU, I now plan to return to Mecca for a visit. Since the Aggies have a viable conference, the past sins of BYU are now forgiven.

    However, I will not attend a game at BYU as long as Holmoe insists on 2-1 with the Aggies in either football or basketball. Let it be written, let it be done.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 6, 2013 9:09 a.m.

    SportsFan
    Orem, UT
    Howard S.

    Must be pretty sweet to live in such a delusional bubble.

    One of the advantages of being Independent is that NOBODY dictates any scheduling terms to BYU. The Cougars are free to accept or reject any proposed scheduling arrangement, even one proposed by our partner, ESPN.

    Contrast that to our little friends on the hill who are required to march in lock step with whatever the PAC dictates.

    ___________

    You are absolutely right. BYU does not dictate terms anymore. Because teams expect them to offer 50-1, 4-2, and 2-1 deals now.

    Must be pretty sweet to live in such a delusional bubble.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 6, 2013 8:45 a.m.

    @let's roll

    Reflecting BYUs stature among the college football big boys and the PAC the USC deal is a two for one deal.

    Utah has perpetual home and home schedule with USC.f

    May BYU could schedule Utah on a two for one basis.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    July 6, 2013 8:44 a.m.

    Hey, Aggies84, when did you purchase rights to a color and how much did you pay for it? To whom did you pay the money? Any school can have any color they wish----get OVER it!

    With respect to BYU propping up USU's attendance, I'd find your distorted view more believable if the Aggie faithful had filled the stadium a bit better for their last 4 home games, when they had the best team in the history of the school and their attendance was waaaaay low. Face it, their fans only pack the place for BYU or Utah. Too bad, too, because right now at least they are playing pretty good football. They're just missing "fans" by the thousands.

    Hawaii was always a distraction when the Y went to Honolulu and the Warriors have never played anything close to a competitive game on the mainland. Probably that's because they have to play at a decent time and not subject the opponent to such awkward hours for the game. We don't need to play UH anymore. If Chow has a problem, it is his problem.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    July 6, 2013 8:06 a.m.

    Re: SportsFan

    Yeah they are dictated that they get home and away deals with USC, Stanford, and Oregon.

    BYU has to do 2 for 1s to get teams like USC.

    This not playing in a conference is so frustrating. It is like playing in a rec league. Games mean nothing. Still end up in the same bowl if 6-6 or 10-2

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 6, 2013 7:58 a.m.

    "to march in lock step with whatever the PAC dictates"

    That's a silly spin on conference membership.
    It was mentioned in a recent article that byu is still hoping to be included, if the PAC ever went to a 16-team super-conference.

    I'll believe "some fences are mended" when byu schedules a game with Wy, CS, AF, NM or TCU.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 6, 2013 7:44 a.m.

    @SportsFan

    DId you read the article?

    USU said no to November... The MWC and Hawaii said no to December... and of course Utah has just said no.

    BYU is not in a strong schedule negotiating position with any conference member... that's why they settle for one and done...four for two... two for one.... and h/h/n scheduling deals.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    July 6, 2013 7:14 a.m.

    @ SportsFan,

    Howard S.

    "Must be pretty sweet to live in such a delusional bubble.

    One of the advantages of being Independent is that NOBODY dictates any scheduling terms to BYU. The Cougars are free to accept or reject any proposed scheduling arrangement, even one proposed by our partner, ESPN.

    Contrast that to our little friends on the hill who are required to march in lock step with whatever the PAC dictates."

    Aaahhh, I wish it was like that my friend, but the reality is that at this point and time of our independent stage, we have to bend over and backward to accommodate the other schools schedule in order for them to play us. So Mr. Howard is right in that sense. I just don't like it that it gives him immense pleasure to see us struggle with that. But I'm sure things will change for the better in the future, at least I hope so!

    Go Cougars! Good luck to Utes too!

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 6, 2013 7:11 a.m.

    Jeff just which fences would those be? Colorado State? New Mexico? Air Force? Wyoming? TCU? or perhaps San Diego St? I guess the fence would be UNLV? Another gimme game to inflate the ego and pad the schedule/record for the cougars? Bosie St, and Utah St. were not members of the MWC until after the cougars left and we all know how coach Chow and Hawaii feel about BYU.

  • mindgames Aurora, CO
    July 6, 2013 6:23 a.m.

    Would still like to see the military academies (especially Air Force) to the schedule. They must be one of the Mountain West members that don't want to schedule BYU. Falcons...get over it.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    July 6, 2013 12:58 a.m.

    I think most objective people who care about college football in Utah believe that the 3 Division I Schools should play each other each year... I support it even though hosting our little brother on the hill will hurt our SOS this year.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    July 6, 2013 12:32 a.m.

    @Howard S

    Who is dictated to when it comes to scheduling...

    Isn't Utah the team who said they can't schedule OCC games in November because the PAC-12 has a rule against that. Then USC signs to play BYU in November. I guess only minor, partial share, members of the PAC-12 have to abide by that rule.

    Looks like the PAC dictates to small powerless members regarding scheduling, while the Big Boys in the conference schedule whomever they want, whenever they want.

    Fortunately for the Y, USC's trying to improve its SOS by scheduling OCC games like BYU to counteract the hit they take on their SOS by playing in the same division as Utah. USC's SOS is right around 100. Ouch.

  • Aggie84 Idaho Falls, ID
    July 6, 2013 12:14 a.m.

    I do think it is time, however, that the Y and Aggies play home and away vs the 2 for 1. Do the
    Aggies need the Y as their main event anymore. I don't think so. Also, time for the Y to try a different color than the Aggies. Go back to your true blue sky blue.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    July 5, 2013 11:51 p.m.

    Oh dear - no games with csu and wyoming - whatever will we do?

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    July 5, 2013 11:35 p.m.

    After getting destroyed 47-0 in Provo last season, it wasn't at all surprising to see Norm Chow cancel the series with BYU. The MWC championship game scheduling conflict simply gave Chow a convenient excuse. It's doubtful BYU will schedule another game with Hawaii as long as Chow is there.

    Meanwhile, besides Utah State and Boise State, the MWC team I'd really like to see return to BYU's schedule is Air Force.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 5, 2013 11:01 p.m.

    Howard S.

    Must be pretty sweet to live in such a delusional bubble.

    One of the advantages of being Independent is that NOBODY dictates any scheduling terms to BYU. The Cougars are free to accept or reject any proposed scheduling arrangement, even one proposed by our partner, ESPN.

    Contrast that to our little friends on the hill who are required to march in lock step with whatever the PAC dictates.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 5, 2013 10:03 p.m.

    Must be pretty sweet for the MWC, USU, and Hawaii to be dictating terms of scheduling to BYU...

    Oh, and Utah too...

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    July 5, 2013 9:50 p.m.

    I think that as long as Norm Chow is the coach at Hawaii BYU will never play them, at least if he can help it. I get the feeling that he is not too fond of BYU. He did sort of get shammed by BYU when he was a coach there. That is one fence that is not mended.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    July 5, 2013 8:38 p.m.

    "Holmoe said the series with Hawaii, which is led by former BYU assistant Norm Chow, is done for now."

    That is a very awkward way to end the article.