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Published: Friday, July 5 2013 7:40 p.m. MDT

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Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

STuFOO:
"If you truly were a better program, you wouldn't have to say a word".

Very well stated. That statement does sum up ute fans' delusional thinking. See, ute fans, there's a reason you never talked smack to Wyoming or CSU fans. Because U knew U were a better program...but every time U have to come to BYU articles to beat your chest, you prove just how insecure U are about your program in relation to BYU. I've said before, and I'll repeat...what do people who "don't care", or have clear superiority over a subject have in common? Silence about the subject of their apathy. But thank you so much Howie, MyPerspective, et al for every day proving us right that U do indeed care and do indeed suffer from a little brother complex.

H. Van Smeiter
Tampa, FL

Kind of enlightening considering that BYU needs cooperation from the MWC for mid-season scheduling with league members, so nice to know Craig Thompson isn't holding a grudge. As for individual teams, it's no secret that Wyoming, CSU, New Mexico, and San Diego St still hate BYU. But they hated us in the WAC and MWC, so no surprises there.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT
"The truth is the Cougar Nation would dump indy (and even their sears directors cup stature) in second for Utah's PAC12 conference affiliation."

Even if that were so, according to indications (such as the Director's Cup) BYU would fare much, much better in the PAC-12 than Utah would. For one, BYU doesn't lose to 2-10 teams at home.

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Nice prediction to make for something that has not actually happened. You don't know how BYU would do playing a PAC 12 schedule in all sports.

Colorado owns you.
San Jose State owns you.
Utah owns you.
Get over it.

H. Van Smeiter
Tampa, FL

I'm over all the negativity between BYU and Utah fans, but I realize it's not going anywhere and could be worse. That said, I really want to beat Utah this year, but I have nothing but respect for what the BYU alums have accomplished on the Hill. Independence has brought an interesting scheduling consideration that few other schools would see. November scheduling has proven to be the most difficult. So naturally BYU is more willing to give when they can get a November matchup. Hence the 2-1 with USC and the 1-1 with MTSU. Also BYU is unique in the appeal of neutral site games. So some of these that look like 2-1s really are 1-1-1s. I would rather have major conference membership (kudos Utes) but this is much better for the program than the MWC.

U 90
Corona, CA

@Bluto "National Brands with Legacy and Tradition can play anywhere (see BYU)

If your team has lost 13 of the last 20 to the lowly Utah then your team is probably not legacy or national brand

U 90
Corona, CA

@ Tators "If you want to talk about winning streaks, I distinctly remember BYU having a 19-2 winning streak over Utah under coach Edwards. Talk about embarrassing for Utah. But both that and Utah's recent mini-streak are now history"

When you refer to Utah's mini-streak, are you talking about 3 of 4, 8 of 11, 13 of 20 or 56 of 90?

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@sammyg

Ridicule BYU?

Actually... there is no need to ridicule...

The facts tell you all need to know about the stature and future of BYU football.

- Not even given serious consideration for invitation to any of the BCS conferences...
- Losing record against BCS comptetion...
- Dominated by Utah over the last decade...
- Settling for 2 for 1 scheduling arrangements with the big boys of college football...
- Since the announcement of indy recruiting rankings among the lowest in Bronco's tenure...
- After this year only 2 bowl appearances committed to a 3rd tier bowl game...

Ridicule... no need... the facts are sufficient.

talkinsports
Gilbert, AZ

WACPaddled

We know how Utah will continue to do in the PAC

7-11 so far and trending down

Washington owns U
ASU owns U
Colorado owns U
USC owns U
UCLA owns U
California owns U
Oregon owns U
Oregon St owns U

AFA owns U
Army owns U
Boise St owns U
Hawaii owns U
Creighton owns U
Iowa St owns U
Santa Clara owns U
Saint Mary's owns U
and most embarrassing of all, YMCA owns U

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

WACpaddled

"You don't know how BYU would do playing a PAC 12 schedule in all sports."

What we do know is BYU would do A LOT better than the Utes have done or will ever do.

BYU's #43 final national 2012-13 ranking in the Directors' Cup may not be "elite", but it's A LOT better than Utah's #77 ranking.

In fact, BYU's AVERAGE ranking for the last 20 years, #30, is better than Utah's best single year ranking, EVER, #37.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

U 90

BYU has owned U since color television became common place, 29 of the last 50.

More importantly, BYU has owned U where it really counts, in the final AP rankings.

SEVENTEEN to five

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

Cougsndawgs
STuFOO:

"If you truly were a better program, you wouldn't have to say a word".
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If my comments about BYU were so ludicrous neither you nor your Cougar Nation brethren would feel compelled to attempt rebuttal...

The fact is that there is no real rebuttal for the truth...

And the truth is as follows:

Utah has dominated BYU for the last decade...
BYU has been rejected by every major conference in the country...
BYU has been reduced to celebrating 2 for 1 schedules with college football big boys...
Bronco has a losing record against the BCS and/or ranked teams...
BYUs bowl prospects are limited to 3rd tier bowls and no bowl commitment at all for 2014...
BYUs recruiting has declined since announcing indy.

These facts that really can't be refuted... but you will try... because the facts are in conflict with the delusional image that many hold of BYU football.

midpacmajor
Salt Lake City, Utah

Howard S.

"Utah has dominated BYU for the last decade..."

It must be soooo frustrating to be constantly finishing with worse records and lower rankings than a team you've supposedly "dominated" and "out-recruited".

Kyle has more losses to losing teams, a worse overall record, fewer Top 25 finishes, fewer conference championships, fewer bowls, and has finished with a worse record and lower ranking than Bronco in 5 of 8 seasons.

These facts can't be refuted... but you will try...

Despite your fortunate invitation to a big boy conference, you're still BYU's little brother.

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

Uteanymous said:

"WACpaddled

""You don't know how BYU would do playing a PAC 12 schedule in all sports.""

What we do know is BYU would do A LOT better than the Utes have done or will ever do."

More wishful thinking from a BYU fan. You belong to the island of misfits now - independent. ND is your only competition, well in a way. They are semi affiliated with the ACC. Perhaps you focus on dominating Idaho, New Mex St, Army and what else there is in the independent conference! That's as close as you will get to a real conference for now.

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA

upinthenight

Your so-called island of misfits has finished in the Top 25 and won two bowl games, while your big boy conference bottom dwellers haven't received a single vote in either poll and have only played in one bowl game. You're not even good enough to beat WAC teams anymore.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@midpacmajor

Oh... no need to refute your "facts" because they haven't prevented Utah from being invited to the big boy status that BYU so desperately craves...

Enjoy your records and rankings... but remember this article is about BYU hoping for scheduling arrangements with the MWC...

you know... the Mid-Major MWC... kind of puts BYUs statuture in perspective.

U 90
Corona, CA

@Uteanymous "BYU has owned U where it really counts, in the final AP rankings"

Yes, BYU has been ranked more often than Utah, but is that where it really counts? The Utes have become the more relevant football team over the past decade or so winning 10 of their last 11 bowl games including wins in the types of bowls (Fiesta, Sugar) that BYU can only dream of. Utah has dominated the head-to-head during that period as well and has been invited to a major football conference.

Sure, Utah missed their first bowl game in a decade in 2012 but played a much tougher schedule than BYU and even beat the Cougars, so lets not pretend that a #25 ranking built on the backs of Idaho, New Mexico State, Weber State and Hawaii means anything. If Utah had scheduled that many cupcakes they would have been ranked and bowl eligible too.

We'll see how good the storied, national brand, legacy BYU program is when they finally play a half way decent schedule in 2013.

eastcoastcoug
Danbury, CT

I'm sure most of my Y fan friends would agree, that despite the comments of a few here, WINS in BCS games matter more than some obscure ranking system in a magazine somewhere. BYU needs to GET 'ER DONE ON THE FIELD with its great new scheduling and then the respect will come. Earned respect, rather than the kind that is argued for.

Utah will also be under pressure to deliver since the 2004 and 2008 BCS wins are now in the more distant past. Both teams struggle to dominate the mid-majors over the long haul so the carping over record is pretty silly.

STuFOO
Korea, AE

Hoqward

"If my comments about BYU were so ludicrous neither you nor your Cougar Nation brethren would feel compelled to attempt rebuttal..."

What?!

That is like a burglar who claims self defense when he gets shot by a home owner.

anti BCS
Anaheim, CA

U 90

"The Utes have become the more relevant football team over the past decade..."

What makes U think an unranked, bowl-less, conference bottom dweller is relevant?

The truth is, the Utes are no more relevant than Washington State, Colorado, Indiana, Vanderbilt, Iowa State, Northwestern, Rutgers, and Maryland - perennial big boy conference bottom dwellers whose only relevancy is being a whipping boy for the big boys of the conference.

Bleed Crimson
Sandy, Utah

@ anti BCS

"The truth is, the Utes are no more relevant than Washington State, Colorado, Indiana, Vanderbilt, Iowa State, Northwestern, Rutgers, and Maryland - perennial big boy conference bottom dwellers whose only relevancy is being a whipping boy for the big boys of the conference"

Don't forget BYU on this list of irrelevant teams that Utah beats down annually. The cougies haven't been relevant since Coach Edwards retired! BYU also solidified their irrelevance by declaring their independence.

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