2000-2010 I meant to write (before PAC membership).
The comparisons of the red and blue facilities are to be expected. Oh well. BYU
has its' funds and has great facilities. It's no mystery there. I
would be proud of then if a Cougar fan. Utah's program is boosting their
facilities and the wins will come. It takes time and greater depth in the PAC
12. I have not been all that surprised by the first two years in the
PAC 12. But before BYU fans rip the Utes, know that winning percentages drop
when you are building depth inside the PAC 12 compared to when Utah was in the
MWC and had the best record against BCS teams relative to comparison of all
other non BCS team in the country from 2000-2012. That includes BYU, TCU and
Boise State. However, playing in the PAC week in and week out makes a HUGE
difference. TCU has found it tough sledding with their transition to the BIG 12.
BYU would struggle as well. Be objective ya'll.
Duckhunter, the U has also had facilities for students. The Nielsen Fieldhouse
and HPER have been used by students for exercise and recreation for decades.
The new facility will simply provide more updated facilities and equipment. As
a U student and alumnus I have used these facilities.
@DutchmanBYU already has other facilities, such as the Richards
Building and the Smith Fieldhouse, for the other students. They also have
intramural fields for the regular student body. They don't need to build
anything more at this point. utah has a need for such a facility so it is a good
thing they are going to do it. BYUU already has had those facilities in place
for many, many years.utah has been far behind BYU in those things
for a very long time and it is about time they built them.
@Duckhunter,Thanks for the clarification. It sounds like BYU built
a top notch facility. Are BYU students allowed to use all or parts of it as a
student recreation center? Just wondering because the U is constructing a $55
million student rec center on campus that will be their own facility. So the
size difference between the two football facilites may be related to that.
@dutchmanBYU built it's football facility and its indoor
practice facility at the same time at a cost of just about 100 million for the
2. Yes BYU's facility includes weight room, as well as athletic training
and all of the other stuff a major college needs.But as I said the
new facility at utah is extremely nice and utah has every reason to be proud of
it, but the chest beating by utah "fans" about it being
"superior" to BYU's and so forth just isn't true. If you get a
chance to tour BOTH of them you will see that neither lacks in anything needed
and both are top of the line. But BYU's is bigger, cost more to build,
includes more in it, and is widely considered to be about as good as it gets
outside of oregons. That may change though with some of the facilities some of
the other pac12 schools are either currently building or are planning to build.
But you can always count on BYU keeping their facilities top of the line, they
don't cut corners and they do not let things get dated or behind.
We may be comparing apples to organges here. Yes, BYU, Oregon and USC all spent
more on football facilities than Utah's current $32 million addition. I
call the U's an addition because the U already had a state of the art
indoor practice facility and the Alex Smith weight and conditioning center. Did
BYU, Oregon and USC's more expensive facility also include indoor and
weight training facilities? I don't know. But the value of the U's
entire football complex with this new $32 million addition just may equal the
value of the BYU, Oregon and USC complexes. And as Mormon Ute pointed out it
certainly appears that the U has been getting more out of its facilities over
the past 10 years than BYU has. That being the case I look for Utah's
recruiting gap over BYU to get even larger over the next few years with this new
@ DHThe Student Athlete Building? I didn't know there were
Athletic Training and rehab facilities in there. All I have seen is Legends
Grille and the hall of fame area. I won't say which facility is better
until I have seen them both. I will say that it seems like BYU uses its
facility for more things, like student academic advising and athletic offices.
Utah's student-athlete academic advising takes place in the Burbidge
Center, which is up by the Huntsman Center (where most of the athletic offices
are). Meanwhile Utah football is the primary tenant of its new facility with
Tennis and Skiing, and baseball during the winter using the AT room when
neededAs far as logo imprinting, I was just trying to demonstrate
that everything bought for Utah's facility is top of the line. The tape and
treatment tables are all extremely nice
So Duckhunter, if what you say is true about BYU's 10 year old facility
still being better than Utah's brand new facility that means Utah has been
outperforming BYU for 10 years with lower grade facilities. Utah has
outrecruited BYU, put more players in the NFL than BYU, and most importantly
outplayed BYU on the field for the past 10 years. With our newly upgraded
facilities we should be poised to really shine. Thanks for the boost of
confidence. I'm really excited for the future of Utah football!!
@2ferNo BYU's facility IS NOT located inside of the Smith Field
house. BYU built a football facility about 10 years ago across the street from
the Smith Field House that is quite possibly the nicest overall facility in the
west with the exception of oregon's. And as I said I am not selling
utah's short, it is an excellent facility. There may be some aspects of
utah's facility that are better purely based on them being a little bit
newer, but overall BYU's facility is a gold standard facility. BYU constantly upgrades its facilities, they do not allow things to become
dated or worn and despite the fact BYU's facility was built about 10 years
ago, and it cost twice as much to build then as utah's did now which should
tell you something about what went into it, it lacks nothing as far as amenities
are concerned.Also I'm not sure how having the utah logo
printed on things makes for a better facility or a better peice of equipment,
you'll have to enlighten me on that.
@ duckhunterI disagree. I assume you're talking about
BYU's facility that is housed inside of the Smith Fieldhouse? I've
seen it, and I have been in Utah's facility several times already since it
has been open and Utah wins hands down. Especially when it comes to the wet
rooms and hydrotherapy pools. Also, Utah's tape tables are absolutely
beautiful. They have the block U imprinted into the fabric and each station has
individual drawers, shelves, and cupboards for supplies. You don't work in
the sports med field so I don't expect you to appreciate those facts, but
trust me when I say they are absolutely top of the line.
@2ferIn fact you don't have a clue. BYU's 10 year old
facility is still superior to utah's brand new facility. BYU constantly
upgrades all of its facilities and seeing as how I have performed contracted
work at both facilities and am pretty well versed in the amenities both offer I
can tell you that BYU's is superior. And that is not selling utah's
short in any way, it is a great new facility, but BYU's is definitely the
nicer of the two. Maybe you should go check both of them out and see for
yourself, like I have. Oh wait, utah won't let you into theirs for some
reason, well you can still go and see BYU's, they'll let you in.
There are a few comments on here regarding taxes that need correcting. I know I
sound like a broken record but I will keep doing this to dispel misinformation.
The State of Utah's total appropriation (taxes) to the U of U is $253
million all of which goes to fund a portion of the cost (40%) of graduate and
undergraduate education programs. None, repeat none, of that appropriation goes
to athletics. Your individual tax bill is not affected what so ever by what
happens in the U athletic department. Sure, the U has a total operating budget
of $3.2 billion but just because the U gets $253 million from the State and the
State owns the university does not mean that the entire operating budget belongs
to the people of Utah. It does not. Don't believe me? Try suing the U in
court over who has ownership of the budget outside the $253 million and argue
that it is the people of Utah and you will lose.
AZUTE!If it is so funny that Utah can't "keep pace"
with those 3 schools, are you saying you are happy with mediocrity/maximum 4th
@ TheSportsAuthorityIn fact I do have a clue. Last year Alabama
bought a $10,000 treadmill just because they could. They essentially have no cap
on the sports med budget and get what they want whenever they want it. This is
true with most of the top teams in the country. BYU doesn't hold a candle
to teams like Texas, tOSU, Oregon, etc.Also, there are modalities
that exist now that didn't exist or were not common ten years ago when BYU
built its facility. For example Utah has aquatic therapy pools in the new
facility with treadmills in the bottom that can be raised an lowered depending
on far along rehab has progressed/severity of injury. These pools also have
several cameras that allow the AT to observed the gait pattern and make sure the
athlete is using proper form during whatever sort of rehab is taking place.
2fer"I doubt BYU's facility would rank in the top half of
any BCS conference, especially the SEC."Which of course explains
why numerous schools, including Arizona State, visited BYU's new facilities
soon after they opened in 2004.What's really doubtful is
whether you have even the slightest clue how BYU's facilities compare to
the facilities at most BCS schools.
"You can't let a facility like this go to waste. Same for BYU. Their
facility is second to none (well maybe Oregon). Both teams need to get it
together."I doubt BYU's facility would rank in the top half
of any BCS conference, especially the SEC.
No open house? Really? That is absolutely pathetic. As a fan, alumni and tax
payer I (all Ute fans) should be able to tour in person this facility. Go UTES!!
great facility. The Utes need to win now. If they don't, expect a
coaching change, an athletic director change. You can't let a facility
like this go to waste. Same for BYU. Their facility is second to none (well
maybe Oregon). Both teams need to get it together.
ekute"Since they're in and we're not...And since we
can't beat them on the field...Let's pretend that they have revenue
issues and bag on that. lol."The all-time Classic has
unequivocally become, in terms of a diversionary-tactic employed with undying
focus, referencing 2011 CU or, even further distant, 2007 UNLV, as if what
occurred within these 2 wholly unrelated games in some way magically erases
2-Star bywho's utter futility against us, head-to-head! LOL
At backpackingIt's been two years, what a silly comment
TroyTown"AZUTE1Start with trying understand the term
'incremental advantage'.Good luck."You
didn't catch what I actually conveyed to you. Please reread what I posted.
backpacn,In a major conference (and you're not).
@Lifelong RepublicanDoes all of this money coming in mean my taxes
can go down?----------Yes, by about 2 cents. Don't
spend it all one thing.
ekuteIn what? Over you head?Being a perennial conference
bottom dweller in every sport is nothing to brag about.
Since they're in and we're not...And since we can't beat them on
the field...Let's pretend that they have revenue issues and bag on that.
AZUTE1"It's honestly not clear to me what you stated within
your comment which was intended to add value to what Hatch originally stated?
Perhaps, you could clarify this point for me?"Start with trying
understand the term "incremental advantage".Good luck.
@Hatch[Cont'd]UTAH receives full-share of conf rev
beginning the year after next. They have received nice donations from those
such as Alex Smith, but even if Alumni with deepest pockets got involved, still
would pale by comparison to these 3. USC's facilities were so poor for so
long, all they did was win NCs and maintain their annual-haul of 4-/5-Star
recruits. USC's name, alone, does their selling for them, with ancient or
w/brand spanking new facilities. UO began upward-surge at turn of century when
Phil Knight opened his wallet to the extent it's currently open to today.
Tough competing with Uncle Phil/Nike!In summary, these 3 schools
constitute an Apples-to-Oranges comparison and, realistically, mentioning them
amounts to nothing more than merely stating the obvious, nothing more, IMO.Your proposed solution to what you perceive to be a correctable problem,
is to try harder to solicit Alumni. Personally, I don't know much
regarding what they are/aren't already doing. Do you know much,
yourself?How about what your plan of action would look like in
solving this perceived problem of yours for The UTAH Football Program? Thanks!
@troytownIt's honestly not clear to me what you stated within
your comment which was intended to add value to what Hatch originally stated?
Perhaps, you could clarify this point for me? Thanks!@HatchYou've listed essentially what's currently the top 3 football
schools in our conference. Cool. mI'm equally uncertain what you expected
UTAH to do in the interim? Not build it and hope that one day U Alumni maybe
kicks in enough to match these 3, the 3 schools anybody would select as having
the deepest pockets/greatest resources, in the first place. CAL/UW also just
renovated their respective stadiums. With the responsibility to upgrade
facilities in many other sports, as well as just barely entering into merely
their 3rd year of conference membership, they're doing all that which is
currently achievable!Stanford recently rebuilt their archaic,
outdated football stadium. Stanford's significant advantage over UTAH
isn't primarily due to facilities. 1st, once in a lifetime Harbaugh passed
through, which got the ball rolling. Right or wrong, it's tough for those
qualified and granted entry to pass-up on having their future diploma
w/"Stanford" plastered all over it![To Be Cont'd]
A nice little facility for a lower tier Pac school.However,
Utah's facilities still lag far behind USC, Washington, ASU, Stanford,
Oregon, Cal, Arizona, UCLA, Colorado and even BYU.Unfortuantely,
Utah is on a fools errand by not operating at a profit and they are now going
into further debt, by bonding for facilities.Trying to keep up with
the "Real" football programs is a vicious circle.
AZUTE....its sad but true. For details you can google the stuff. Search for a
Doug Samuel's article on USC's new John Nckay Center which opened last
year with the 70 million price tag. The Stanford number of 200 million may have
included some stadium cost (so granted that may be an over reach) Oregon's
68 million is not an over reach at all.I think Utah is taking a step
in the right direction here but UTAH needs more help from their alumni to
compete. ESPN ranks facilities annually. Before these new facilities, Utah
ranked above Arizona, Oregon State, and Washington State. But Utah is still a
long ways away from the likes of USC, Stanford and Oregon and alumni dollars is
the key to catching up.I wish Utah the best. Its good for BYU and
the state when Utah does well and it's good for the UTEs and the state when
BYU does well.
@DN Subscriber 2So, next time you get sick, turn on a football game,
since that reflects the U of U's priorities.-------------From what I could find $1.799 billion was U's estimated operating
costs in 2012-2013 fiscal year (Source: Office of the Commissioner of Higher
Education).According to USA Today, the U's Athletic Program
total expenses were $43.7 million, of which $10 million were from subsidies
(including taxes, student fees, donations).At this point even you
can figure out what the U of U's priorities are.
AZUTE1It's pretty simple. It's nice for the Utes to have
new training facilities, but USC, Stanford, Oregon, and other PAC schools are
spending even more on their new and upgraded facilities, so
what/when/why/how/where is Utah's incremental advantage?BYU has
had similar facilities for almost a decade, so there's not even an
advantage there.So unless you think your main competition is
Colorado or WSU or Utah State, the Utes are at best, a step or two behind and
destined to stay there.
Hatch--"USC football new operations center cost 70
million.Stanford football new operations center 200 million. Oregon's new
football operations center 68 million. All these completely funded by
alumni."You're joking, correct? If not, I'm curious
to know what the Why/When/How/What, etc., would be, from your viewpoint,
relative to us "Keeping Pace" with these 3 schools? If you would,
please break it all down for us in detail, seriously! Thanks in advance!
Great news and hope to see the benefits really start flowing from this to the
field in the next few seasons.Excited about the facility, the upcoming
season and the future of the Utes!Go Utes!
USC football new operations center cost 70 million.Stanford football new
operations center 200 million. Oregon's new football operations center 68
million. All these completely funded by alumni. Come on UTES to
compete in the PAC 12 you need to dig deep. 32 million is not going to cut it.
Its time to forget about the school down south and focus on your new conference
and rival. Dig deep UTES. Dig deep.
Whittlingham is just about out of excuses for a losing record and no bowl games.
Congratulations to the Utes on their new facilities.Also,
congratulations on that top 25 ranking! * source: Chris B.Therefore,
congratulations to the Cougars who have finished the past two years ranked
higher than U.Best wishes in your new digs!
This is the classiest thread I have seen on a DNews story in a LONG time.
Let's hope all three teams tear it up this year.
State-of-the-art facilities are not only a huge benefit to the current players,
but also are a great recruiting draw. Congrats Utes!Go Cougs!
DN Subscriber 2Actually, the next time you get sick you can thank
the University of Utah for pioneering the medicines, and medical techniques and
procedures that will be used to save your life.You're welcome!
Coach is looking slimmer.
I can't believe it 29 posts and no my team is better than your team. Great
to see. Hope all the teams in Utah can improve to make Utah one of the best
football states in the nation. Good Luck to all.
Understanding that most of this does NOT involve tax dollars, one still has to
wonder if the people of Utah would not have been better off if another $32
million had been spent enhancing and expanding the medical school or school of
nursing to actually educate people in desperately needed career fields instead
of being wasted glorifying pampered athletes who engage in entertaining
spectacles of strength and coordination.And, while Mr. Whittingham
may be really good at coaching football teams, it is a sad commentary on this
state and country that he is the highest paid public employee in the state. So, next time you get sick, turn on a football game, since that reflects
the U of U's priorities.
Those are some great pictures of Coach Whittingham, but seeing as how this
article is about our new state-of-the-art facility, how about some pictures of,
say, our new state-of-the-art facility?
This just ensures our future as a top tier team in the PAC 12. No local teams
will have a chance of competing with us now! Within 2 years we will
control the PAC 12 and be in the top 5 every year. There will be no stopping us
with this facility.
Earnest T. Bass! Thank you sir.
Exciting things happening up on the Hill. The entire athlectic department has
upped its game and had to be done in order to compete in the PAC-12. Good luck
this season, Utah. Go Utes!
Just for clarity, the USTAR project ($6M), other new U of U infrastructure
projects ($22M), the new law building ($60.5M), parking structures ($41.7M), the
dental school ($37.4M), the Orthopedic Center ($9.6M) are all state, tax payer
funded projects. The highest paid public employee in Utah is Kyle Whitingham.I appreciate that the new football facility is mostly funded through the
increase in revenue to the athletics programs (which were $3M in the red last
year) and is a bonded improvement. I just want to make the point that higher
education in Utah isn't self-funded. The state spent over $500M on higher
education throughout the state last year, and the U of U gets the lion's
portion of the funding.There is a lot of benefit to the U's
athletic programs directly or indirectly from the taxpayers. Let's hope it
is for good use.Go Utes, Cougars, and Aggies!National
attention to ALL three programs from the state!
Congrats Utes. Best wishes in the season to come.
If it can't be seen in HD then what good is it?
@Lifelong Republican:Good news there is "almost" none of
your tax dollars that go to UofU Athletics. I only say "almost" because
as a public University that is partially funded by tax dollars there are some
way tax dollars leak into Athletics. For instace the Athletic Department pays
for the tuition of an athlete, but the tuition a student pays doesn't cover
the full cost of educating a student. That tuition is subsidized by tax
dollars.Of course that means that Pac-12 money going to UofU
athletics is not going to reduce your tax bill because your taxes are not going
there to begin with.It may be worth mentioning that the neighboring
states of Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada, have all pumped significant
tax dollars into the Athletic programs of Wyo, CSU, CU, UNM, and UNLV so the
State of Utah is actually pretty responsible about making Utah Athletics pay
their own way.
Love to see some pictures. Guardsman Way has changed since I use to
go down there in High School. Good for the Utes and Congrats. Now let's
get some more wins and make it happen. This too coming from a Y fan who likes
to see the state teams do well. As someone always boasts, not sure
the U is thee "Premier" program but it is a great one. Others are great
too. Wish someone could see more than mono-vision. Might actually learn
The biggest positive with the invite to the PAC was the new emphasis in building
up the facilities at the U. We probably aren't too far off hearing an
announcement on stadium expansion. Keep up the good work making SLC a better
Great announcement. How about some pictures?
All that has been said about the university, location, building program, and
this complex are 100% correct. Many big name universities and colleges would
give much to have a complex like this. Was back for the October Conference
of 2013. It had been since October 1988 that I was last their. WOW! What growth
has happened to the Utah Valley. Driving on the 15 south was crazy good. Be glad
when all the construction is finished.Stayed with in-laws, who lived up on
the top of Draper Mt. The view was breathtaking at night. During the day it was
not. Smog was bad that weekend. Driving from Provo to SLC was like the drive in
the bay area. Couldn't tell when you left one city and entered another.
Utah is a great place to visit. I'll stick with Northern California,
because I can grow all kinds of wonderful food to eat and few people to get in
the way. Just a short drive in any direction and have the same good stuff.U.of U., football has stepped into the spotlight and I look forward to seeing
some great games, in the upcoming season and years to come.
No pics of the new place?
This will certainly help Utah compete more fully with the rest of the pac12. I
have also seen some footage and plans of the facility from a friend that works
at the U. Very impressive, beautiful facility. Utah is starting to look like a
big time program now. Now it needs to translate to the field...bring some
hardware home for the state, but U don't have to bring your best stuff on
Sept 21st! Good luck Utes.GO COUGARS!!
Finally! Now we can move forward, win the PAC12 with a flawless season and go
on to win the NC. It's a great day to be a Ute!
I have never been more proud to be a University of Utah Ute.The
premier program in the state and a top 25 program nationally.The
present and future of football in Utah,is UTAH
Wonderful facility and should help with enticing recruits to attend the U.
Kudos to the Y fans posting congratulations and to the U fans for not making
claims of superiority. Even better, we shouldn't see the posts about an
athletic 'trailer park' going forward.Congratulations to
everyone involved in this project.
It's a gradual, methodical process, but we're making progress....This
is an enormous step in the right direction for us! Outstanding new facility for
us! Can't wait to get up there this Fall and see it in person! Go
I'm a die-hard BYU fan, but offer a big thumbs up to the team up north.
This is a great facility. Congrats Utes!
MT Seats, I couldn't agree more. The view of the football stadium
overlooking downtown SLC driving East on 4th South is stunning. Dr. Hill is to
be commended for the growth and health of the athletics program and for ushering
in the Pac-12 era. I was on campus recently and couldn't help
note the new and expanded research buildings. Additions to the Medical School,
Molecular Biotechnology, the new College of Pharmacy, Research Park, etc, etc.
It's a demonstration of remarkable growth, achievement, and contribution to
the world. Clearly, the academic and research aspects of the University caught
the attention of the Presidents and Chancellors of the Pac-10. The strategy to
create a world class research institution with a robust portfolio of recognized
academics is the result of an unwavering commitment spanning decades.Go Utah and the Pac-12!
I love my prestigious PAC 12 bcs membership!Long live the power
Congrats to the Utes on their new facilities! That kind of improvement is not
only a huge plus for their program but also for the community as a whole. The
benefits of being in the Pac 12 is obviously paying dividends in a big way and
this cougar fan is elated for you. Utah is a great university and deserves
nothing but the best for all the kids that go there. As for the
football team, well let's hope Kyle and his boys will have a hiccup only
against my cougars and then start tearing it up this year. Bring the Rose Bowl
trophy home soon! That will be so sweet!!!Good luck to the Utes!
And go Cougars!
Build whatever you want. They still need to win. I'm actually hoping for
a stadium expansion and upgrade but I guess that will take some time. Does all of this money coming in mean my taxes can go down?
This is a great step forward for the program. Not just football, but for
baseball, tennis, and skiing as well.
Zelphexists is the greatest name on the Dnews comment section.
Since joining the PAC12, I marvel at the beauty of the campus and all the new
facilities. Connected to downtown, a metropolitan airport and the greater Salt
Lake area via light rail, The University of Utah is truly one of the most
beautiful and unique campuses in the country and the crown jewel of our great
city. A special thanks to Dr. Hill and the rest of the University
administration for their vision and leadership where my daughter is a junior and
my son will be enrolling as a freshman this fall.
Agreed, ZelphExists, our journey in the elite Pac-12 is only beginning. Based on
the videos I've seen of this facility, it is very impressive. I did not
realize that an entire football complex was being built with another practice
field to be added. I've already said it but the bottom line is that this
is very impressive. The Utes still have to earn it on the field but they are
well on their to taking their rightful place in the power conferences. It's a great time to be Ute!!
This is great! It is a great day to be a Ute! This will only booster our
recruiting. The PAC12 has been a blast. And it's only going to get better!