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Published: Friday, July 5 2013 12:37 a.m. MDT

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Dutchman
Murray, UT

There are a few comments on here regarding taxes that need correcting. I know I sound like a broken record but I will keep doing this to dispel misinformation. The State of Utah's total appropriation (taxes) to the U of U is $253 million all of which goes to fund a portion of the cost (40%) of graduate and undergraduate education programs. None, repeat none, of that appropriation goes to athletics. Your individual tax bill is not affected what so ever by what happens in the U athletic department. Sure, the U has a total operating budget of $3.2 billion but just because the U gets $253 million from the State and the State owns the university does not mean that the entire operating budget belongs to the people of Utah. It does not. Don't believe me? Try suing the U in court over who has ownership of the budget outside the $253 million and argue that it is the people of Utah and you will lose.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@2fer

In fact you don't have a clue. BYU's 10 year old facility is still superior to utah's brand new facility. BYU constantly upgrades all of its facilities and seeing as how I have performed contracted work at both facilities and am pretty well versed in the amenities both offer I can tell you that BYU's is superior. And that is not selling utah's short in any way, it is a great new facility, but BYU's is definitely the nicer of the two. Maybe you should go check both of them out and see for yourself, like I have. Oh wait, utah won't let you into theirs for some reason, well you can still go and see BYU's, they'll let you in.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ duckhunter

I disagree. I assume you're talking about BYU's facility that is housed inside of the Smith Fieldhouse? I've seen it, and I have been in Utah's facility several times already since it has been open and Utah wins hands down. Especially when it comes to the wet rooms and hydrotherapy pools. Also, Utah's tape tables are absolutely beautiful. They have the block U imprinted into the fabric and each station has individual drawers, shelves, and cupboards for supplies. You don't work in the sports med field so I don't expect you to appreciate those facts, but trust me when I say they are absolutely top of the line.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@2fer

No BYU's facility IS NOT located inside of the Smith Field house. BYU built a football facility about 10 years ago across the street from the Smith Field House that is quite possibly the nicest overall facility in the west with the exception of oregon's. And as I said I am not selling utah's short, it is an excellent facility. There may be some aspects of utah's facility that are better purely based on them being a little bit newer, but overall BYU's facility is a gold standard facility.

BYU constantly upgrades its facilities, they do not allow things to become dated or worn and despite the fact BYU's facility was built about 10 years ago, and it cost twice as much to build then as utah's did now which should tell you something about what went into it, it lacks nothing as far as amenities are concerned.

Also I'm not sure how having the utah logo printed on things makes for a better facility or a better peice of equipment, you'll have to enlighten me on that.

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

So Duckhunter, if what you say is true about BYU's 10 year old facility still being better than Utah's brand new facility that means Utah has been outperforming BYU for 10 years with lower grade facilities. Utah has outrecruited BYU, put more players in the NFL than BYU, and most importantly outplayed BYU on the field for the past 10 years. With our newly upgraded facilities we should be poised to really shine. Thanks for the boost of confidence. I'm really excited for the future of Utah football!!

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ DH

The Student Athlete Building? I didn't know there were Athletic Training and rehab facilities in there. All I have seen is Legends Grille and the hall of fame area. I won't say which facility is better until I have seen them both. I will say that it seems like BYU uses its facility for more things, like student academic advising and athletic offices. Utah's student-athlete academic advising takes place in the Burbidge Center, which is up by the Huntsman Center (where most of the athletic offices are). Meanwhile Utah football is the primary tenant of its new facility with Tennis and Skiing, and baseball during the winter using the AT room when needed

As far as logo imprinting, I was just trying to demonstrate that everything bought for Utah's facility is top of the line. The tape and treatment tables are all extremely nice

Dutchman
Murray, UT

We may be comparing apples to organges here. Yes, BYU, Oregon and USC all spent more on football facilities than Utah's current $32 million addition. I call the U's an addition because the U already had a state of the art indoor practice facility and the Alex Smith weight and conditioning center. Did BYU, Oregon and USC's more expensive facility also include indoor and weight training facilities? I don't know. But the value of the U's entire football complex with this new $32 million addition just may equal the value of the BYU, Oregon and USC complexes. And as Mormon Ute pointed out it certainly appears that the U has been getting more out of its facilities over the past 10 years than BYU has. That being the case I look for Utah's recruiting gap over BYU to get even larger over the next few years with this new addition.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@dutchman

BYU built it's football facility and its indoor practice facility at the same time at a cost of just about 100 million for the 2. Yes BYU's facility includes weight room, as well as athletic training and all of the other stuff a major college needs.

But as I said the new facility at utah is extremely nice and utah has every reason to be proud of it, but the chest beating by utah "fans" about it being "superior" to BYU's and so forth just isn't true. If you get a chance to tour BOTH of them you will see that neither lacks in anything needed and both are top of the line. But BYU's is bigger, cost more to build, includes more in it, and is widely considered to be about as good as it gets outside of oregons. That may change though with some of the facilities some of the other pac12 schools are either currently building or are planning to build. But you can always count on BYU keeping their facilities top of the line, they don't cut corners and they do not let things get dated or behind.

Dutchman
Murray, UT

@Duckhunter,

Thanks for the clarification. It sounds like BYU built a top notch facility. Are BYU students allowed to use all or parts of it as a student recreation center? Just wondering because the U is constructing a $55 million student rec center on campus that will be their own facility. So the size difference between the two football facilites may be related to that.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@Dutchman

BYU already has other facilities, such as the Richards Building and the Smith Fieldhouse, for the other students. They also have intramural fields for the regular student body. They don't need to build anything more at this point. utah has a need for such a facility so it is a good thing they are going to do it. BYUU already has had those facilities in place for many, many years.

utah has been far behind BYU in those things for a very long time and it is about time they built them.

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

Duckhunter, the U has also had facilities for students. The Nielsen Fieldhouse and HPER have been used by students for exercise and recreation for decades. The new facility will simply provide more updated facilities and equipment. As a U student and alumnus I have used these facilities.

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

The comparisons of the red and blue facilities are to be expected. Oh well. BYU has its' funds and has great facilities. It's no mystery there. I would be proud of then if a Cougar fan. Utah's program is boosting their facilities and the wins will come. It takes time and greater depth in the PAC 12.

I have not been all that surprised by the first two years in the PAC 12. But before BYU fans rip the Utes, know that winning percentages drop when you are building depth inside the PAC 12 compared to when Utah was in the MWC and had the best record against BCS teams relative to comparison of all other non BCS team in the country from 2000-2012. That includes BYU, TCU and Boise State. However, playing in the PAC week in and week out makes a HUGE difference. TCU has found it tough sledding with their transition to the BIG 12. BYU would struggle as well. Be objective ya'll.

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

2000-2010 I meant to write (before PAC membership).

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