@HowieLeave it to Howard to turn an article about BYU and Tyler
Haws, making the U.S. National Team, into yet another False Bravado Rant, about
the (inflated) value of the U's Pac-12 Patch.BYU plays half of
their games in a 20k seat arena, generally nearly packed. BYU's
attendance has been in the Top 10-20 Nationally, going on 40 years now..The arenas in the WCC seat 3500-6000 fans and are bloated when BYU comes
to town.It's a great College Atmosphere in the WCC...Kinda Kool.It's about the hoops...Man.Get back to us Howie, when your
Utes can outdraw Lond Peak High.Empty arenas (see (Huntsman Center) are
about as useful as Tattered Bowl Banners and a Conference Patch.Let's see if your Utes can produce a winning season in Football,
Basketball or Baseball, in the next decade, let alone a Conference Championship,
in any sport.Remember, Cameron Indoor only seats 9k and Duke seems
to be doing just fine. If only Utah had the program and fans of a Gonzaga,
St. Mary's or BYU.Again, Ute fans argue minutia, because they
can't argue results pertaining to success.
I think the "working on Sunday" issue in the LDS church is one of the
great opportunities and blessings of having agency. While members of the church
have been encouraged to "keep the Sabbath day holy," interpretation of
that commandment has been left quite open. While we are encouraged to avoid
working, shopping, and certain kinds of leisure on the Sabbath, the LDS church
has now for a number of years used Steve Young as a spokesperson. While this
seems contradictory I think it's awesome that individual members get to
choose how they treat this sacred day. I am a huge Ty Haws fan, and a fan of
BYU sports in general, and I'm happy when the standout players fulfill
their dream of "going pro." Through hard work they've earned that
privilege. That being said, my eldest son is named after Eli Herring, one of
the few superstars who had the courage to say no.
@Howard S.I thought it was fairly obvious that I was referring to
results, my bad, I'll type slower next time. As far as conference inclusion
you and I both know that BYU's ability to get invited is based mostly on
religion. As far as academics and athletics, BYU is well ahead of Utah in both.
Utah wasn't on the top of the PAC's list, but it worked out and they
got invited so great for Utah. I'm saying if that's all you got to
hang your hat on you prove my point.
@Barnbug1yeah he was working on a article bitter claiming that BYU
deserved the invite and not Utah...Oh, and about embarrassment...
the WCC... high school arenas... really...
@CougarNation - I too have wrestled with this question since my youth. I still
don't have all the answers myself. I guess I have to ask myself, what does
keeping it holy really mean? We definitely have strong guidelines (not working,
shopping, serving, gospel study, etc). Those guidelines all push us to one end:
to focus on our Father, our Savior, and the Spirit. If, in counsel with Them,
one receives approval of one's activities, then I believe reconciliation of
teachings and practice has taken place. The choice is personal, but the
decision process should not be. The decision process should always include
counsel with the Maker of the Law. The Godhead consists of three loving living
Individuals that seek to counsel with us.
@Sports Are Great - I agree with CougarNation, you reached an incorrect
conclusion. It does not sound like he is harping on Haws, anyone LDS related,
or anything of the sort. He just posed a simple question that is thought
provoking. Why don't you just take him at his word and go from there?Everybody else that is critizing him and saying to not be judeful, just
come on. Let a man ask a question, and kindly answer it with your opinion,
rather than roast him alive for having an honest heart. Just because he asked
the question does not mean he is trying to usurp God's juding
Come on guys your turn. They axed my best one so I had to go to the bullpen.
It's alright though, I got this. And "ballpark", you have got to
make things a little tougher. Check your post again, if you sent it to the
toddler board they may have messed up and sent it to the adult thread. Have a
@Howard S.He was probably working on an article, but things have kind of
gone downhill in a hurry. Remember, the article was on state pride, not
Just one more thing......because we don't have naked men on public benches,
more gang activity than anywhere else in the world, and a state that is nearly
bankrupt, we have time to report on a local kid who is doing well.
@ballparkFirst of all, my condolences for living in California. And
second, not being from Utah, don't worry about it. I'm sure you have
got way more important things to worry about living in C A L I F O R N I A than
following a newspaper in little old Utah.
Not being from Utah it amazes me how much press a young college basketball
player gets. From the time he was in high school it has been a state wide story.
Is Utah really that hard up to find something to report on? I live in
California....he would get one paragraph in a local paper that he made the team.
Tia USA team does not represent the best college players....please! Maybe the
best citizens who are good in basketball. Save your ink for when he actually
leads BYU to a WCC championship or WCC tournament win. It won't happen so I
guess you have to write stories like this.
@CougarNation#1,Two words my friend, "free agency".
It's the greatest gift our Father has given us. We make our choices and
then leave it up to the Lord for he alone knows us better than ourselves. I can
guarantee to you that none of the Filipinos he brought into the church will care
one way or another. Lets not get stressed out on the particulars of the law
because it can get much more complicated than that. For example, do you watch
sports on the Sabbath? Do you cook on the Sabbath; buy gas, go to the beach,
eat out, etc, etc? Lets make and live our choices and fret not about what
others choices are. Have a blessed day! God will settle all that in the end.
COUGARNATION.....why bring up the ridiculous topic??? Doctors work on Sunday.
Firemen work on Sunday. Cops work on Sunday. LDS security work on Sunday.
Pilots work on Sunday. Air traffic controllers work on Sunday. They all chose
those professions. Condemn all you like. I own a restaurant. I have to work a
bit on Sunday. Don't give me the line about "essential"
professions. P-L-E-A-S-e do not judge! Let's all be better followers of
Christ and not judge. These folks all chose professions requiring them to work
on Sunday. Give it a rest already. Maybe I pump gas on Sunday cause some
people have to drive on Sunday. I knew a Stake President whose son played on a
University team with Sunday games and he even went to watch on occasion on
Sunday. Get over it and let the Savior be the judge. The Savior knows his
heart. You do not!
" ..... He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her
..... "CougarNation#1 - There was only one perfect
man to ever live on the earth, and He was crucified. To answer your question -
the short answer is:There really is no black and white on this
issue. gchis was right, it is a personal issue. Further, every individual has a
different circumstance and must make personal choices based on those
circumstances. Some free advice:Worry about your own
Where was Dick with all the "doing Utah proud" talk when Utah was
invited to join one of the most prestigious conferences in the country?Overwhelming pride must have rendered him speechless...
Congrats to Tyler, his family, the state of Utah and the BYU organization and
staff. Another proud moment for the state of Utah. First Vranes and now Haws,
two home grown products.From a Ute fan, a great day for the state!
Sorry about my little sister's silly misstatement.She was
obviously wondering how great it would be to play in such beautiful places as
Malibu, San Diego, Moraga, Santa Clara, and San Francisco, and still be able
play for the US National team, in the NCAA tournament, and in the NBA.
@CougarNation#1I think you kinda missed my point. Tyler Haws will
be playing professional basketball somewhere and playing on the USA team is a
logical step in that vocation. If Haws were to decline an invitation to play, it
would likely hurt his chances going forward to get drafted by a professional
team, whether in the US or Europe. Would he prefer not to play on Sunday?
Undoubtedly. But I am contending that his job, at this point in his life is to
play basketball and the team has chosen to play on Sunday. Some, like you, might
also say that I will violate that particular commandment by watching him play.
While I have no idea what Tyler's thought processes are, I would guess that
declining the invitation would satisfy his desire to keep that particular
commandment in it's strictest interpretation. I do not judge him. Neither
CougarNation#1 is a ute, and a poor imposter at that. I see I have upset him by
stating he is a Ute. Knowing that this will likely upset him further, I'll
take great privilege in repeating: God's commandments apply equally to all
people alive. Their college sports affiliation hardly matters to the man in the
heavens. So whatever one tries to pin on Haws equally applies not only to all
Mormons, but to anyone who believes in the 10 commandments.
@Chris BHe's 3-0 vs Utah so far.LOL
@sports are great- I'm actually a diehard BYU Cougar fan and football
season ticket holder so way to jump to a dumb conclusion. This is actually a
question I wrestled with as a youth and now as a parent of kids who play youth
sports.@gchris- I am sure Tyler is a great guy and I'm not trying to
condemn him, but I am somewhat confused how he reconciles preaching the gospel
as a full-time missionary trying to commit Filipinos to keep the Sabbath Day
holy and him playing basketball on Sundays, not as his full-time occupation. All
choices are personal choices in life and it is up to Tyler to make those
choices. What pros and cons are there about playing on Sundays as a member of
the LDS church?
@CougarNation#1With a name like CougarNation#1, you are probably
quite familiar with LDS doctrine concerning keeping the Sabbath holy. I was
expecting at least one referrance to Tyler's playing on Sunday but the
answer is always the same. How one chooses to keep the Sabbath holy is purely
personal. BYU doesn't play on Sunday as a matter of principle and
long-standing policy. And, in Tyler's case, in the long term, it probably
is his full-time occupation. I'm sure that Tyler carefully weighs the pros
and cons of playing on Sunday and I'm quite sure that you'd like to
have him as a neighbor on the other six days.
Ute fan(cougar nation#1) - All I know is that God's commandments apply to
every person who lives today. So whatever you're trying to pin on Haws,
make sure you pin on your Utes as well, along with Aggies, wildcats, tide,
gators. Stay classy.
@chrissy - I know you still have goose bumps from being invited to the PAC after
Texas, Oklahoma turned them down. But someday soon, you will learn that the
quality of your program is more important than the quality of your conference.
Finishing near the bottom in football, baseball, and M and W basketball leads to
doormat status. P.S. Tyler and TJ were both offered by Utah, but both chose
BYU. Maybe it's time to ask why?
I wonder how he feels about playing and practicing on Sunday for this team. It
would be hard to reconcile playing on Sunday, especially after recently
returning from an LDS mission where missionaries teach investigators about
keeping the Sabbath Day holy. Is it okay to play basketball on Sunday or not? Or
is he not playing or practicing on Sunday? Tyler is a great talent and he
seems to be a great person. You can tell he works hard at the game. I just have
an honest question about appropriate Sabbath Day activities, especially when it
isn't his full-time occupation. Any clarification would help since I am not
very familiar with LDS church doctrine on this subject.
@ Chris BBetter dream than being the door mat of the Pac-12 and unable to
beat teams such as Pepperdine, Santa Clara and San Francisco!LOL
I wonder if his dream included being in the WCC and having conference foes
Pepperdine, Santa Clara, and San Francisco.LOL
That kind of man does not burn out. He just burns up everyone else.
Congratulations Tyler. Obviously a very driven young man. I just hope he
doesn't burn out.
Aaaahhh...this is a great day!!! Great news from the state's two premier
programs; first the story about the Utes new facility upgrade and now about
BYU's Tyler Haws making the USA's national team. Can't wait to see how the next two years will turn out for this
outstanding young man. I for one am looking forward with the whole Cougar
nation to follow this kid and his little brother coming after him. A huge thank
you to Mr. Marty Haws and his wife for raising such wonderful young men.
I'm especially glad that they chose to come to BYU.Go Cougars!
And go Utes too!
I was a big Marty Haws fan years ago and was delighted when I learned about
Tyler and his high school career before he joined the Cougars. Tyler Haws is someone who every Father would be proud to have as a son. I
have worlds of respect for the Haws family and look forward to following Tyler
at the World University Games and throughout his BYU career. (I look forward to
following TJ Haws as well!)Congrats to the Haws family and to Tyler
for his commitment to being excellent! Thanks, Dick, for this article.
dumprake, you do know that shooting 40% from 3 is the same as shooting 60% from
2, right? Or 34% from 3 = 51% from 2?
It is odd to categorize black players as being jam happy. There are lots of guys
in the NBA who shoot jumpers and are black. Kevin Garnett, Kevin Durant, Steph
Curry......even jammers like MJ still used the jump shot (Game 6, Bryon
Russell........)LeBron just sealed a title with a jump shot. There are still
black guys that shoot jumpers.
What a great guy and a great recruiting tool for BYU. His example on and off the
floor will change minds and attitudes of all who get to know him.I
love cheering for the Cougars. Always trying to improve these young men and turn
them into great men, husbands and fathers.
Haws' "mid-range" game is notable because nobody else shoots the
mid-range shots anymore. Black players especially want to jam the ball in your
face, Haws will pull up and hit the 10 footer because nobody expects it anymore.
Or, the glory shot these days is the 3 pointer, even though the shooting
percentage goes way down when you move out that far; yes, it's exciting
when it goes in but Haws will make two or three mid-range jumpers while the
glory boys are trying to bring the house down with a long range three. Haws is a great player, he plays the full game, the complete game, and
it's how the game should be played. If you took the 3pt shot away today,
most players would be lost, they wouldn't know what to do.
The pride extends beyond Utah. Tyler is first and foremost, a great person who
happens to be extremely good at basketball. Can't wait until November to
see him at the Marriott Center again.
Talent is overrated.Tyler Haws has separated himself from everyone
else as a world class performer because of his disciplined practice over an
extended period of time.Most athletes tend to do what they can
already do over and over because it is instantly rewarding and feels good. Tyler
Haws has focused on what he can't do well and is constantly pushing the
envelope to hone new skills. Opponents will find him ever harder to handle on
the basketball court. He will be a great leader for the BYU team for
the next two years.
What a great article! It's wonderful to see that when Tyler Haws put in the
work effort like he did and then everyone can see the big payoff!
Congratulations to Tyler, his family, his coaches, and to us the fans who cheer
on Cougar nation!Although not in this story, Tyler was asked to give
a fireside for the youth of Colorado Springs. With the intensity of competing in
that setting for the national team, he got dressed, went to the Church, and
spoke from his heart. What a great role model he is!Go Cougars!