Brahmabull, if he was as good as you think he is, then he wouldn't need
great players around him to lead a successful team. If he was really a franchise
big, then he would have led the Jazz to the playoffs last year--simple as that.
They had enough talent around him to at least be in the top 8. He didn't.
Mo didn't. Those two are players that can't really be role players. So
if they're not leading you to wins, let them go. Millsap and Foye can be
great role players so the Jazz will try to bring them back. The key
thing, to me, is that they have to take a risk. Keeping Big Al will keep you in
the 6-9 range in the west. No better. So let's at least see what the young
guys can do. See what Paul George did once Danny Granger was out of the way?
Maybe Favors or Kanter can do that without Big Al.. Maybe not, but they have to
try if they want to seriously compete.
Jazz HAVE to spend ~$30mil to get to minimum legal cap limit. I don't think
too many players would be interested in signing a 1yr contact due to injury
risk, would you? I'm fine with Al leaving, but I'm 'whiny'
cuz the Jazz got a big fat 'ZERO' in return for their most productive
player. Not even 1 draft pick, prospective asset, or 'bad
contract'..nada, zero. They didn't trade either Sap or Al cuz they
wanted to make the playoffs..instead they choked (on Corbin). I bet you
they're scrambling now to get something done. I'm wondering how you
can get a 'bad contract' now without trading away a Burks. Sap can be
signed for free, he's cheaper. Don't count on C.Landry, Copeland
coming - they will sign with contenders. I heard about Bogut rumor - it's
off. OK Jazz Management, can we at least sign DeMarre? He's waiting...wait
to long and he will bail, that's how pride works. KOC, let Lindsay do his
thing..it's been 5 days now..and please don't overpay for scrubs in
dhsalumHe has not been on a successful team because the teams he has
been on have had less then stellar players around him. He has his weaknesses,
but is a good long term option. The jazz need low post scoring. Kanter, Favors,
and Bogut do not provide much of it. I understand the 1 year deal thing, but why
not lock him up for 4 years? Favors and Hayward aren't the key to a winning
team. They are good role players, nothing more.
@Brahmabull The reason Bogut is an option over Jefferson is that Bogut will come
in on an expiring contract. The Jazz HAVE TO sign more guys to meet the NBA
minimum salary. Bogut will fill a large chunk of that until next year when
Hayward and Favors can get extentions. Big Al would not have agreed to a 1 year
contract even if the Jazz wanted him. Another thing...Basketball-wise, Bogut can
come in and guard the rim and rebound without being a black hole on the
offensive end. The young guys can develop their games while Bogut just helps out
for a year with the dirty work.But another option is that the Jazz
could trade Bogut mid-season to a team trying to cut salary because every team
will have dreams of Lebron in the summer of 2014. And lastly, you
are correct that Al was clutch, but seriously look at his track record. He has
never been on a successful team. It's time to try something else.
Let the other teams overpay and then regret it next year. There will be adequate
players available. Jazz have done a good job of finding players that are
undervalued or unknown.
Letting big Al walk is one of the biggest mistakes in recent Jazz history. There
are no other reliable big men availiable. Paul Millsap is ok, but not a clutch
player. Other options jazz are left with? Andrew Bogut (14 million)... If that
is the big plan of the jazz it is a sad day. They could have signed Jefferson
for the same amount. There is no way Bogut is better than Jefferson. What a bad
@Americanvet, why in the world would you want to sign Bogut and Milsap when the
Jazz just let Jefferson go to let Favors and Kanter take over?
Hoopshyperumors just reported an hour or so ago that the Jazz are in
negotiations with Warriors to trade for Bogut.We shall see. His
contract expires next season. Seems like close to a perfect fit. Good mentor
for Bigs and would be a nice 3 man rotation. If he stayed healthy our bigs
would defend the paint nicely!
@ AmericanvetWe are essentially in agreement. I fully understand we
have to bring some players in to meet the minimum. I am simply stating that the
Jazz are not in a position to contend so why rush out and overpay for a name and
get submerged in another overpaid/bad long term deal for a role player like
AK47. We HAVE to find out whether these young guys are legit
winners who can score/defend/win. If we don't then we will be faced with
the decision of whether to re-sign them to big deals while not knowing whether
they are worth it.I agree, Bogut on a short term deal could make
sense. You could give Favors, Kanter, and Bogut 30+ minutes a night in a 3 man
rotation.Big Al has a poor +/- rating and could not lead this team
to the playoffs 2 out of 3 years he was here. He is 24th among active Centers
drawing fouls/getting to the line. Doormat defender. Good low post scorer but
not much else.His career TEAM(s) results speak for themselves.
Multiple teams, lots of players/coaches, and yet teams that feature him
consistently don't win.
The Jazz have 28 million to spend and anyone who says the Jazz do not overspend
(league wide hazard) does not remember AK or Raja Bell.Traditionally
the Jazz have tried to be spendthrifts and get people like junkyard dog and
Jeremy Evans then the team gets to watch the playoffs instead of playing in
them.Go get a world class athlete, get the best money can buy if you
expect world class results. There are 30 teams in the league and 26 are working
on rebuilding. Does anyone think that KOC is smarter than Danny Ainge? Boston
banners say that is not the case.Rebuilding in the NBA is a myth.The draft was not strong, the free agent pool was not deep and so
whoever on the Jazz had the great idea to save up for this shallow group of
individuals (knowing CP3 and Howard were not coming to Utah) should be held
accountable. Jazz are losing way more than they are gaining this offseason.The advantage the Jazz have is their fanbase is much stronger than their
players. Fans here are believers...but so far with free agents Jazz have shown
little to believe in.
More minutes for m'boy the Turk! Yes! See you Al, and thanks.
I, for one, am certainly grateful that we didn't sign Jefferson to a max
contract like the Bobcats and Michael Jordan apparently did. I am hoping that
they don't sign Millsap to a max contract either, and so far I have reason
to believe they won't. We will need the money in the future to negotiate
with players that have a real upside and can play NBA ball. We need to get rid
of Marvin Williams as soon as possible so that we have an extra 8 million to pay
for players that deserve it. Whatever we do this summer, we need to evaluate the
true value of each player we sign. Other than the ones we already have on
contract (with the exception of Marvin Williams) there are no players we had
last year that deserve any consideration. With next years draft potential, we
will be able to have a substantially better, more athletic, and younger team in
Good news & good luck to Al.
@Americanveti agree with you
I'm just reading on ESPN that the Warriors are trying to shed salaries so
they can make a run at Dwight Howard. They have players like Andrew Bogut and
Richard Jefferson on the block. I'm wondering if the Jazz might go for
Bogut who is in the final year with a $14million contract. If they sign Bogut
and resign Millsap they would be getting close to the minimum salary but still
enough left over for a shooter or 2. Bogut has been injury prone but can be a
tremendous defender when healthy. If he misses some games with injuries, we want
to be getting our young bigs most of the playing time anyway. If Bogut is a
complete bust he will become a free agent next year and come off the books so
the Jazz can pursue some other big time free agents next season.
@JazzSoutceThe Jazz do have to sign about $30 million more in player
salaries just to get to the NBA minimum, so they will be bringing in players. I
agree though that we don't want long term contracts with marginal new
players when there is a deeper draft and better free agency pool next year. Lets
just bring in the best we can get with the $30 million on 1 year contracts if
needed then make the bigger moves next year.imho
@SD_UtahUterDon't know why you're so broken up about a
player who had the worse +/- rating on the team leaving. Especially when his
backup Enes Kanter had the best +/- rating on the team.Did the Jazz
not pursue this one? You bet. No one pursued this one except the lowly Bobcats
whose front office has pretty much never made a good decision ever. And
Jefferson still couldn't land a max deal.
It is nauseating to read these whiny fan comments. "Sign someone
the sky is falling!"Then after they overpay these fools who have
gotten these big bloated overpaid deals then you bust on the Jazz next season
because they can't get anyone good and they are saddled with non-productive
expensive players.The Bobcats paid $41 million for Big Al.
Horrific! Korver? Another ridiculous overpaid deal. Tyreke Evans? More of
the same.The only player so far that I would even want is CP3 and he
said he is not moving. The rest of these dudes are not marquis and most are
marginal role players who are not taking this franchise anywhere. So why race
out and pay multiyear overpaid contracts for them? Don't. Bad
deals everywhere so far.The Jazz need to keep their money, play the
young guys, see what we actually have, lose plenty of game (unfortunate
reality), get a great draft position next year in a deep draft and then go from
there.At that point you know whether these young guys are any good
or not.You better find out before it comes time to re-sign them.
That ever cross your mind?
No athlete is worth 40+ million dollars. If the market will bear such a price
tag on an athlete, then our society's values are way out of whack. A
society that values athletes more than scientists, educators, and surgeons is
The Jazz and pretty much everybody else knew the kind of money Big Al would get.
Jazz were not willing to pay the tab. Big Al just sent a message, "if
I'm not your first choice then you ain't mine". Bobcats now have a
front line that can play with anybody. They may not be bottom feeders this
year.Jazz will move when they can and want to. It is the old story
of the "willing and able buyer".
Americanvet, Corbin will be on a short leash with me too. Like I've said
before I think his ability to coach and get players to play defense will be
getting players that are capable of doing so. Without a true point guard and
that very poorly assembled team, I'm not sure anyone would have done better
with the exception of maybe George Karl. I wouldn't mind seeing Hansbrough
here, he is very tough and the Jazz need some nasty. I know I've protected
Corbin with my comments, but only because of that team..
We should have traded him last year...major brain cramp.
@SD_UtahUterThe reason why they're waiting is so they
don't overpay for players...seriously look at the contracts going around.
Evans for 44 million, Jefferson for 41 million, Korver for 24 million, Splitter
for 36 million, etc., etc. These players are all getting overpaid.They're waiting for everyone to spend their money, so they can pay the
actual price for a player. Guys like Millsap, Jack, Landry, Foye, Carroll,
Calderon, Williams, etc. are still out there, so be patient. I agree it is
frustrating watching other teams "scoop" players from the jazz, however
it's not like they don't know what they're doing. They just
simply refuse to overpay for players. It will be interesting to see what they do
when it is all said and done though.
@SD_UtahUterSigning someone for the sake of signing a free
agent...would be bad...its like the bulls panicked and decided to get boozer a
huge some of cash...and a trade exception...there are still some targets out
there...JJ Hickson...Mareese Spreights...Tyler Hansbrough...being patient is
tough....especially when fans are breathing down your neck....but it takes guts
to do it...if you know its for the the team's best interest...I do
think...that they need to lock up Hayward and Favors...@Americanveti agree with you on Corbin...i don't think he'll
be the guy you want on a rebuilding team...because he relies on his vets too
much...Marvin Williams is an example...i think Calderon still does
not have a team...Calderon and Tinsley would be good for PGs...Spreights,
Hickson, Millsap, Landry and Hansbrough are possible targets for bigs....Corey
Brewer, Earl Clark, Austin Daye, Al Farouq Aminu, Wesley Johnson and Alan
Anderson for wings...so i dont see any reason to panic...have faith in
Lindsey...he brought you a guy you all love in Trey Burke...i'm sure
he'll work something out
Since Jefferson is gone you better try an sign Chris Kaman or DeJuan Blair for
additional help at another center and make a big effort in trying to sign J.J.
Hickson as a F/C for at least a 5 year contract. As for guards they need to sign
at least 2 more of the followingJose Calderon, Jeff Teague, Brandon
Jennings, Jarrett Jack, Randy Foye or Monta Ellis. They will need experience to
help out with Trey Burke. They need to do something in the next day or so
before they are gone.
I do think Big Al is a good guy and a good player overall. That said, Big Al and
Millsap leading the way was not going to get us where we want to be. I commend
the Jazz organization for committing to our young and upcoming players to take
over this team. By and large I feel most Jazz fans will be patient with the
rebuilding process and not discouraged if we don't see the playoffs next
season,as long as they see the effort in developing our young players. Fortydam,
I still don't like Corbin, but I will try to be a little patient with him
if he starts teaching defense and developing the young guns. He better show me
something quickly though because I have serious doubts that he should be a head
If the Jazz were planning on sign and trading Al/Paul, half of that strategy is
down the drain. They haven't made 1 offer, not even to DeMarre. Great draft
but they are sitting around waiting for the girl to come to them. Its not
happening..the targets are dwindling. Have to spend close to 30mil. Please do
something soon so you don't become desperate and settle and overpay. I
don't agree with the wait 5 days..we'll see. Do something!
Wow, a guy that can't play defense is worth $41 million? What are the
Bobcats thinking?Of course Al loves Salt Lake City. So does Urban
Meyer. Just look at what each has said. (Don't form your opinion on what
either have done, though.)Do reporters ever get the idea that they
are being "played" by the athletes they cover? One of the reasons I
wonder is because the media always roasts the athletes when they aren't the
perfect interview, so I'm thinking the players just spit out anything
positive to get the interview finished. Reports just want a story so they
couldn't care less about getting the facts. Sports news has become sports
inquirer---entertainment for some of the masses.Good luck Al....with
a little more defense for about a total of 10 minutes Utah would have made the
playoffs this past season. Oh, well.....