Sure sounds like these people are going out of their way to be problematic.
When one can easily and legally move to another country nearby, why go to all
the trouble of seeking asylum and risking deportation to be in the US? Sounds
less like they're fleeing persecution, and more like they're using
this as an excuse to bypass regular immigration requirements.
One very good reason for children to be educated in public schools is so that
they will learn things their parents refuse to teach them.
Just curious why these people would not be consider illegal immigrants if they
decide to overstay their visa.
It clearly states they can send their kids to a religious school. I fail to see
why they think they need special rights in their own country and if they
can't get them there, they'll come here. The issue is about making
sure the kids go to an accredited school to get a well-rounded education.
It's nothing to do with an alleged religious persecution.
The US Justice Department has no authority over German laws, and the
interpretations in this case are rational -- there is no evidence the DOJ is
motivated by religious prejudice in any way whatsoever.Blaming the
DOJ and implying the DOJ has some bias against religion is not only misleading,
but very bad, sensationalistic, and inaccurate journalism.
Germany has lost a great deal of my respect. I loved visiting and planned to
again in the not-so-distant futureSo...Germany has just
lost a lot of my respect. I loved visiting and planned to again in the
not-so-distant future. I think I'm making a change of plans.Forcing other people to listen to your opinions IS NOT conducive of a free
government or people. For a country that preaches how far they've come from
a dark past, they certainly are embracing principles that afford them no
credibility.Until they tolerate people's rights to rear their
children according to their God-given right, I refuse to set foot in their
country again.Governments don't raise children. Governments
SHOULDN'T raise children.It's evil and wrong.
Why is it that the Obama administration grudgingly deports only a meager handful
of the most dangerous and despicable illegal aliens -- even going so far as to
release some illegal aliens convicted of felonies from jail or detention to do
as they please, but considers it worth the taxpayers' money to fight the
petty case for deportation of one solitary Christian family that wants to carry
out its parental duty to educate its children, with the almost sure knowledge
that children will be snatched from their parents as soon as they are dumped
back on their native land?I recall that a few people around here
seem to think that keep illegal aliens with their children is the right thing to
do, but that doesn't apply to Christians seeking asylum.If it
is true they could move to another European country to avoid persecution, does
that change the fact that Obama's administration welcomes illegal aliens
with open arms and yet actively fights for the deportation of Christians
refugees who want to move here?Can you say favoritism and double
standard? Why do you think Obama does that? I think I know the answer.
Here's another case of horrendous religious persecution: A Wisconsin couple
was convicted of homicide because instead of taking their ailing daughter to get
medical attention, they prayed, instead, and the child eventually died of
undiagnosed diabetes. (They told the police that God would bring their daughter
back to life, before the police arrested them. The conviction was upheld by an
appeals court.)Let's say this Wisconsin couple took off to
Germany, claimed religious persecution and sought asylum? Evidently, the German
government would be guilty of religious persecution if they insisted the couple
needed to return to the US, or something like that, according to this
article.Avoiding medical treatment for an ailing or injured child
might have been legal 100 years ago, as society previously felt whatever
happened inside a family was the family's business. The first cases of
child abuse were tried using laws against animal cruelty, until society came
around to the notion that children have rights, too. Does this mean families
have lost freedom?Back to these Germans, why don't they go back
to Germany, and open a private religious school themselves? This article is
The DOJ is purposely overlooking "Germany's ban on home-schooling which
is motivated by the desire to suppress religious and philosophical parallel
societies". That alone qualifies this family for asylum.
Many religious folks like home schooling because it provides an opportunity to
have complete control over their children. Instead of teaching children about
evolution by natural selection, for example, parents will teach their children
that evolution is non-sense and that the earth is 6,000 years old, and that dogs
are not descendent of wolves, among other things. Is this the kind of religious
freedom people like to celebrate? Where do we draw the line of religious
freedom? Some parents won't take their children to the
hospital when doing so will save their lives because they believe in the power
of prayer and think that having a doctor take care of the problem is a betrayal
of faith. Such parents have been sentenced to prison when their children die,
and that's a good thing.I do not believe parents should have
total control of their children's education. Doing so would produce a lot
of ignorant children who know nothing about science. Some people
want the freedom to impose ignorance and hatred in their children in the name of
religion. Is this really freedom?
It's interesting that the Obama administration is trying to find a way to
allow millions of uneducated, unskilled Hispanic illegal immigrants to obtain
amnesty to stay here, while not allowing a family like this to continue living
here. It could be that they were determined to be likely Republican voters.
I thought we were suspending deportations of non-criminal immigrants while
Congress tries to push through another amnesty... I guess evangelical Germans
wouldn't be as likely to vote for Democrats as Catholic Mexicans, so they
need to go.
Way to stack the title and opening paragraph, guys. Nothing like looking for
another excuse to play the noble-religion-and-evil-liberals card.
HSDLA's Michael Farris says, "The German goal is to prohibit people who
think differently from the government (on religious or philosophical grounds)
from growing and developing into a force in society. It is thought control. It
is belief control. It is totalitarianism dressed up in politically correct
lingo." Enter the current Administration and DOJ: they are in agreement;
they have no problem banning homeschooling. This is the position of our
government at the very highest level. Our government argued that the family
isn't experiencing religious discrimination because they couldn't
prove all home-schoolers were religious and that not all Christians believe in
being home-schooled. They argued there is no fundamental liberty to being
home-schooled. So long as the government bans homeschooling broadly and
equally, there is no violation of your rights. Our current Administration seems
to have problems understanding religious freedom is an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT. Is
anyone surprised? They think of us only in terms of groups and factions. So, I
suppose as someone said above, there is no evidence the DOJ is motivated by
religious prejudice in any way whatsoever. That's because the DOJ
doesn't even understand what religious rights are.
Wise Germany. The German system is "to bring people of differing views
together to learn from each other and to learn to accept those whose views
differ from their own." If one reads some comments from Americans about
"marxist Obama" and that "the US Constitution is being replacesd
with a communist one", it is clear the importance of schools to develop
wisdom and build a tolerant society is paramount.Please, not another
family in the U.S. with obsession and intolerance.
"Religion Under Attack" a regular feature of DN. "Justice Department wants Christian home-schoolers deported in name of
tolerance"What an inflammatory and misleading headline. "The Department of Justice says the German law was created to bring
"people of differing views together to learn from each other and to learn to
accept those whose views differ from their own. The goal in Germany is for an
'open, pluralistic society.' Teaching tolerance to children of all
backgrounds helps to develop the ability to interact as a fully functioning
citizen of Germany."Uhh, DOJ attorneys were paraphrsing German
courts defense of their own laws requiring all students to attend school. The attorney for the plaintiffs tried to make the case the parents were
subject to religious persecution. The DOJ upheld the decision of the 6th Circuit
Court of Appeals. What does the U.S. have to gain by deciding,
without evidence, that Germany engages in religious persecution?
Lightbearer: Yours is a reasonable point. On the other side of the coin,
however, my daughter is in a class where she has been required to read a book
wherein the main theme is sex. Your position is against those who homeschool
because they don't want certain things taught to their kids. But given
that there are arguments that are more than reasonable against teenagers having
sex, there are also reasonable arguments to be made against being required to
deal with subject matter that can give a distorted view of sexuality before they
are in healthy adult relationships. In case you think I am
exaggerating the effects a book can have, I read the same book as a teenager, on
the recommendation of a well-meaning teacher. I can trace the effects of that
book and another like it to a spectacularly unhealthy and immature preoccupation
with sex as a young adult, which led to ending up with the wrong girl and making
life miserable for me, her, and a subsequent child for years to come.
I was Homeschooled using a Christian curriculum.....we were conservative, but I
certainly obtained worldly views regarding many subjects. Additionally, I
graduated from Columbia with honours. The public school system in the US was
designed to create factory workers, who will follow orders. No room for
critical thinking or creativity. I, too, will Homeschool my children, to give
them the best education possible, without the liberal propaganda.
While some parents home school their children as a bulwark against the dangers
of a "secular society,"fundamentalist home-schooling can be
detrimental to a civil society for example when considering what religious
fundamentalist schools might teach about history in Middle Eastern Countries.
May I say to all of you naysayers that there are two undeniable facts to this
case. First, they should have gone to Mexico and entered the USA illegally and
they would be protected and could commit other sundry crimes and still be able
to remain in the country. Second, those who say parents can't be
responsible for their children's education because they might not teach
them the correct curriculum. The fact is that home schooled students score
dramatically better than those in the public schools. If common core is
implemented there will be a big increase in home schooling for parents who are
concerned with the "Pap" being taught in the public schools.
"In 2010, the family was granted asylum. The district judge who made that
decision said, according to the New York Times, that the German policy was
"utterly repellent to everything we believe as Americans." Seems fair
considering reasons government used in giving the Boston Marathon bombers and
family refuge, citizenship for the "boys" and $100,000s in welfare. We
can give Amnesty to 11 Million aliens in our country illegally, but no refuge
for one family, who want freedom of thought - like all Americans have?
Homeschooling is one of the great liberators of our youth. This once "wave
of the future" is now becoming mainstream in the US. It's because of
the benefits. Homeschoolers generally have been proven to score
better on standardized college testing. They are highly sought after by major
universities, some of which have admissions department personnel devoted
exclusively to encouraging their enrollment. Isn't it great
there is an option here for parents, where their children are not lost
academically and socially amid the thundering herd of immature peers and petty
social climbing and competitiveness of public school? They thrive in
an atmosphere of love and intelligent encouragement. They read and work math way
beyond their grade level. They have opportunities to develop talents and explore
the world in ways of which public school only dreams. Despite the
myths, they develop very strong socially and are spared the early exposure to
drugs, alcohol, violence, bullying, pre-marital sex, and secular humanism that
dominates the "Time-Warner" peer culture of public school life. Parents get quality time with their children in a daily schedule that is
family-centered and not public-school-centered. There are many more
Interesting, today we celebrate the 4th of July which gave us independence and
we want to send some one back to an environment where they can't practice
their freedoms. Sounds similar doesn't it.
I guess they are not brown enough for this administration. Giving people
amnesty, and waivers from deportation, makes this look silly. Equal justice
under the law?
So let me see if I understand: White people who are trying to avoid having
their kids taught science in school are more sympathetic than brown people
trying to make money to feed their children. Am I close?
Some random-yet-relevant thoughts: My experience as a college instructor was
that home-schooled students were great test takers and knew their 3R's
quite well, but they often had difficulty with critical thinking and lacked an
appreciation of diverse viewpoints. Anyone who understands anything about
current immigration laws knows that a German family would have a much easier
time legally immigrating to the U.S. than a Mexican family. I wonder how many
millions of people would like to come to the U.S. as "refugees" from
policies they don't agree with in their home countries. Again, this family
could easily have moved next door to a country that tolerates home-schooling.
I may be mistaken, but I thought the original purpose of this country was to
protect individual freedoms. Back then, the kings felt they had a
"divine" commission and so you did what they said or suffered. The US
Constitution was created to protect these freedoms. Government is there to
protect them: whether they succeed or not, a government can never create
freedoms. The danger is that our liberal government has gotten so arrogant that
they feel they are to be the "moral guides", when in fact that is not
their purpose. I can teach my children what I choose to; the government
should protect that right, not decide that they know better than me how my
children should be taught. Our current administration couldn't care less
about the personal freedoms of those who disagree with them.
Disturning that this amnesty seems to be for everyone except Europeans. Their
excuse is not an excuse, as others have said, they had other options. They should of claimed it was no worse than speeding, that we stole this land,
that it was their right to come here, that we were breaking up families, that
they are good hard working people. They might of had a chance.
This is a non-story with an inflammatory headline. Shame on Deseret News.
The near constant fear-mongering by DN about a "war" against religion is
a powerful, yet divisive tool which ultimately will turn more people against
organized religion.I would expect a church-owned paper, instead, to
have a goal of educating and bridging the divide.
I say let them stay, but these folks need to learn that differing viewpoints do
exist and a good way to raise your kids is to explain this to them along with
your own beliefs.
I have a friend with a debilitating chronic illness. Marajuana is very effective
in treating her symptoms - it is, however, illegal in the state where my friend
lives. She could use it anyway, but she would risk being arrested and having her
children taken away from her. She cannot apply for asylum in a
country where marajuana is legal, because her disagreement with and violation of
the law is not persecution. This family is not being persecuted for
their beliefs - they are being prosecuted for violating the law. How
interesting that so many posters think these law breakers should be allowed to
stay here. Would they be as willing to accept them if they were Muslims who
wanted to homeschool their children?
One of my friends was being transferred to Germany with his work. He has a son
that has special educational needs, and has classroom assistance here in
England. They checked out the schools in Germany, and were told this does not
happen in Germany. The wife of my friend is a qualified school-teacher, and
they asked if she could go into the school, and help out on a voluntary basis
for when their son struggled. Again it was a no-no. They therefore asked if
this qualified teacher could home educate her son, which is totally legal here
in England. The answer was that this would infringe on the human rights of the
child, as he would not have the freedom to mingle with other children of his own
age-group. Anyone who has ever been around children knows how any child that is
"different" gets treated by their peers. (I guess they think that a
child being bullied by his peers does not impinge on his human rights.) The job
offer was not taken up.In a civilised society there should surely be
the right to home-educate if the parents feel this is best for their child.
@gigi - "without liberal propaganda"? Please cite what you think is
liberal propaganda coming from the public school system.
This is an issue that the family needs to resolve in Germany - loss of life is
not at stake. If a parallel issue were to arise in the US - in my opinion we
would adhere to our laws just as Germany has adhered to theirs.
DOJ has more important things to do than deport home-schooler immigrants that
have already been granted entry and asylum into the US. DOJ ignores its duty to
investigate the mounting scandals of the Precedent and prosecute themselves for
conduct unbecoming for Americans. DOJ actually has blood on its hands but all
that is heard is a resounding silence. Of particular note is the fact that the
DOJ does nothing about illegal immigrants that continually break and flout laws,
drive under the influence that results in fatalities, but those lawbreakers are
protected by government law and Constitution breakers, and and allowed to stay
in the US, though never having been granted asylum of any kind as has this
family of home-schoolers. The innocent will be punished.
Look only as far as the madrassas run by Muslim extremists to see why public
schools may be a good thing.
Nothing like stirring the pot with hyperbole to keep the religious sense of
Long live the DOJ who under Eric Holder has become the U.S. Governments Mickey
Whatever one thinks of home-schooling, this article is pitifully wrong on both
the substance of asylum law and the process of applying for asylum (and pursuing
that claim in immigration court. It shouldn't be that hard for this
reporter (who claims to have a law degree) to actually read the court's
decision, or to call a lawyer who practices immigration law and ask for an
The first right that we, the people, demanded to see in writing before allowing
the Constitution to be ratified was freedom from governmental interference in
religion. That is the most important freedom that we have, given its placement
in the Bill of Rights.Is it any wonder that liberal judges would
reject God and His preeminent place in our hearts and in our homes? Is it any
wonder that liberal judges would destroy a family by denying them the right to
worship God according to the dictates of their conscience and to teach their own
children in their own home? Is it any wonder that liberal judges would send
that family back to a country that teaches that we crawled out of the ooze and
that the order found all around us has nothing to do with a creator or with a
creation?Not only are United States judges at fault, but those
judges want to strip that family of its freedom and return the family to
Germany.Is it any wonder that Germany demands full compliance from its
citizens - including how and what parents teach their children? Germany's
history shows that war has taught it nothing about liberty.
Before we grant asylum from Germany (a ridiculous concept for all but Jimmy
Carter) we need to explore the timeline for this family.Just exactly what
was their status upon arrival here? Tourists? Students? Work permit?At
what point did they seek asylum? My understanding is that they were here for a
couple of years.Then they were granted asylum.Later the DOJ ruled
that fleeing home school rules in Germany is not a cause to grant asylum.With all the dangerous places around the world and the limited number of
asylum and refugee visas, it seems foolish to grant one to this family.We
see pity pieces in the newspaper all the time of a family from Mexico or
Argentina who cannot go home for fear of being killed on their return.And
yet we are sending missionaries there and building temples in those countries.
It is amazing to me that we are watching the government sit idly by as illegals
surge through this country to avail themselves of the fiscal benefits; but law
abiding practicing Christians who actually applied for residency are now being
rejected by bureaucrats. This is Isaiah 5:20-21 in action.
That deferred action thing some of you have mentioned that protects illegal
immigrants from being deported... that only applies to Dreamers (specifically
children brought here at a young age) so it would only apply to the children of
the German family, not the parents. It's not a race/ethnicity thing.Secondly, Obama has deported more illegal immigrants any other previous
president (if we look at single terms, obviously 8 years of Bush deported more
than 5 years of Obama but Obama's first term deported more than any other
term).A lot of you sure like complaining about Hispanic illegal
immigrants but are just fine with this white illegal immigrant family...
I've lived in Germany and while I don't necessarily agree with their
homeschooling law I can understand why they have it. First, by and large Germans
really are an orderly, rule-following society. They are also more willing than
Americans to sacrifice some freedoms for the good of society. And finally, they
are definitely scarred by their Nazi past and are determined to break from it.
With those things in mind:1. Germans think children should be taught
by certified, qualified teachers. The idea of a possibly uneducated parent being
responsible for a child's successful education is rather ridiculous to
them. (While some people may do a good job, other won't.)2.
Germans are leery of people who want to separate their children from the
mainstream culture. The DOJ did a good job explaining the German mentality on
this.2. Similarly, while some commenters criticized the
Germans' desire to suppress "parallel societies," the reality is
that Germans are concerned that homeschooled children could be taught neo-Nazi
and other beliefs that will perpetuate dangerous cultural mindsets.In sum: don't judge another country based solely on your own mindsets.
And--this article's headline is ridiculous.
Switzerland isn't part of the European Union. (See final paragraph of the
So now the United States needs to start granting political asylum to those who
want to home school their children? I'm sorry, but that does not and
should not meet the threshold for granting political asylum. If we start
granting asylum to anyone who must follow the laws of their own respective
countries, we will end up with billions of immigrants taking advantage of that.
All seriousness aside, how many of the commentors here were public-school
educated? I'll make a guess:99% of the long-winded, run-on
paragrapher posts were undoubtedly educated in our inglorious public schools.
Few properly educated home-schoolers forget their grammar.(FYI): I
don't bother reading the posts that are one long run-on slew of
non-paragraph-indented sentences. Why try to follow the thinking of a confused
mind, untrained in logically relaying their ideas? And yes, both my parents
were public school teachers and administrators, exceptional ones.
@jthompsonYou said – “First, by and large Germans really
are an orderly, rule-following society. They are also more willing than
Americans to sacrifice some freedoms for the good of society.”And what exact freedoms are we talking about here?You said –
“Germans think children should be taught by certified, qualified teachers.
The idea of a possibly uneducated parent being responsible for a child's
successful education is rather ridiculous to them. (While some people may do a
good job, other won't.)”Many say the same thing here in
U.S. that parents who home school their kids are mentally ill lunatics.You said – “Similarly, while some commentators criticized the
Germans' desire to suppress "parallel societies," the reality is
that Germans are concerned that home schooled children could be taught neo-Nazi
and other beliefs that will perpetuate dangerous cultural mindsets.”If you look through many of the comments on this board, it is obvious
many think the same thing here that the only people who home school their
children are ultra right-wing religious fanatics who want to teach their kids
We homeschool. My kids learn all about science, chemistry, math, etc. So do
all of the other homeschoolers we associate with. My 14 year old is on track to
have an Associate's from BYU Idaho before he is 18. Public
schools exist purely to indoctrinate children. They began during the industrial
revolution as a way to teach kids the skills needed to work in the factories.
Before that, the parents in the community hired the teashers. Now, the public
school systems indoctrinate kids into a far-left ideaology (no God,
"tolerance", state is the ultimate authority, etc). Common Core is
designed to undermine anything parents are teaching their children, especially
about God. We pulled our children because we want them to learn Truth for
themselves, not a political ideaology disguided as truth.Those who
blindly send their children to school thinking they will let someone else teach
their children will get just that - a child immersed in extreme left idealogy
and a disrespect of parental authority. BTW - I was a lifelong
Democrat until that party deserted me over the last 2 years.....
@Shazandra"Few properly educated home-schoolers forget their
grammar."One could make any demographic look good educationally
by adding the term "properly educated" as an adjective and a filter.
So some of you want to home-school your children to protect them from
"liberal propaganda." But who will protect them from conservative
propaganda?If all the illegals "surging" through this
country could prove that they can't home-school their children in their
native lands, then I suppose you would stop insisting that they be deported.Children learn enough about God in Sunday school and (for example)
seminary. Sunday and seminary were certainly enough for me - more than enough to
last a lifetime, in fact. Children need real science in school. They don't
need religion masquerading as science.
“The goal in Germany is for an 'open, pluralistic society.'
Teaching tolerance to children of all backgrounds helps to develop the ability
to interact as a fully functioning citizen of Germany."And what
is their definition of “tolerance” exactly? What is their definition
of a “fully functioning citizen”? And suppose the
schools in Germany feel a certain student is not tolerant enough or not a fully
functioning citizen? Do they take the child away from its parents until they are
deemed properly tolerant and fully functioning? And who makes those rules
exactly? It sounds like Germany is following the words of MSNBC
commentator Melissa Harris-Perry who said: "We have to break
through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids
belong to their families, and recognize that kids belong to whole
Grammar (Webster): #1- "The study of the way the sentences of a
language are constructed; morphology and syntax."#3- "A set o
rules accounting for these constructions.#4- "Generative Geammar- A
device, as a body of rules, whose output is a body of all those sentences that
are permissable in a given language, while excluding all those that are
not".@atl134- I majored in languages and literature; studied
Spanish, German and Hebrew; teach Spanish Evangelism to Gringos and Biblical
Hebrew to my community. No one ever surpasses the homeschoolers in any of my
classes, ages 8-82. These kids will learn the Hebrew alphabet in 1 week and be
ready for grammar and vocab the next... while the professionals, administrators
and "degreed" instructors labor on.Back to the issue. I say
shame on The 4th Reich for disallowing freedom, again. Period, end of
subject.@Lightbearer- Your screen moniker is an oxymoron to your
opinions. You can raise your offspring with any truism you wish. Stop telling
"religious" folk what "science" should be to them. If you can
keep your Science God, why disallow others to keep their own defined God?
At what point in a person’s life does an American citizen does a child
obtain the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness that goes along
with freedom of religion. We accept that adults have those rights and that the
government has the power and authority to secure those rights to us. We also accept that children because of their inadequate knowledge and
experience cannot have those freedoms and rights. And we also accept the notion
that children are to be regarded as the private property of their parents who
have nearly unlimited rights to influence, mold, control and decide every matter
of the child. In America we try to balance the problem of rights,
with mixed results. We need a lot more discussion.
Re:RedwingsI'm surprised so many parents in UT find the schools
there are teaching "far-left, no-God" ideology. My, how things have
changed from when I grew up there. Shockingly, even when I lived in UT many
years ago, prayer was not said at school, and parents didn't have a problem
with that policy.On the other hand, I raised my kids outside of UT.
They received excellent educations consisting of plain-vanilla subjects like
math, literature, history, etc. they also attended Church and seminary. There
was no "anti-God" agenda. If, unknown to me there was, it didn't
"work" on my kids. The majority of kids (for better or worse) end up
adhering to the values taught/experienced at home.
Au contraire, dear Bearer of Dark Light, Black Holes and Hoaxes. If there is
one true Creator and God of all, then children need to hear all about the true
God in church. They don't need science masquerading as religion in public
venues. They don't need the world vying for control of their minds, money
and morality.Dear Darwin told the world that his theory was just
that. But the godless exalted one man's opinions, calculations and
observations to deification. It has been roundly trumped and thoroughly
discredited by both godless and religious scientists subsequently. Your Science
God neither tells us the absolute, undeniable way or age of the universe. The
scientists still search, argue, hypothesize. Study the rapid changes in
astronomy theories just since Hubble and WISE started shocking the scholars with
their deeper universe data.Eventually man discards the
Earth-as-Universe's-Center for more solid "science". But science
is what? Yeah, man's attempt to discover and define the incoming data.
Your gods are no more elevated than another's. Just try selling your
values to a Talibani.
So, a family can illegally come to our country and then we don't want to
deport them because we don't want to break up their family but this family
can be broken up and we don't care?
@Shazandra"I say shame on The 4th Reich for disallowing freedom,
again. "I guess along with your majors you also minored in
hyperbole."Dear Darwin told the world that his theory was just
that."The linguist doesn't understand the scientific
definition of theory?
This is a non-story for most of the country. Only the Deseret News, with
it's constant stream of stories of religious freedom erosion would be petty
enough to print it under a scare headline. Nobody's religious freedom is
being abridged in this case. The family was granted asylum, then on further
investigation the decision was reversed, and for sound, legal reasons. End of
story. I check the DN site for news of my church and to keep up on news from
home. More and more I see articles trumpeting "religious
discrimination" or "this famous person joined the Church and isn't
that cool" as opposed to local Utah news or stories of substance. Come on,
Deseret News--aren't you better than that?
I was not homeschooled, thank goodness. My parents were bright people, but did
not know everything, nor could both of them together possibly come up with all
the best sources with which to teach five reasonably bright children. Nor did
they have the means to expose us to the many differing subjects and experiences
our elementary school did, much less our junior and senior high schools had they
taken it that far. There are things no parent can do that teachers (plural) can
do. Parents do have other responsibilities, as well, and I believe that the
German Government also stated that children may go to ANY school, including
religious schools. If I could have afforded it, I would have sent mine to one,
just for the discipline. And this is not your average immigration problem...it
is also an international issue between sovereign nations and a judicial problem.
So it doesn't belong on the same table, maybe not even in the same dining
room as immigration.
jthompson, thank you. My grandfather was German, brought over here as a child by
his parents, and I have reason to be proud of my heritage. Your post is a
reminder that each country's laws are unique and to be respected; we
can't simply impose our expectations of what should be legal on another
land just because it's how it is here. I hope some who wrote in the heat of
passion will note that after cooling down...maybe...you made one girl in the
West feel much better.
The German family could have gone to France, Switzerland, Austria but they CHOSE
America. Choice is the crux of the whole dilemma. Parents who home school
aren't dumb. Most have 'taught' their children everything they
learn from birth to starting school.I have read many times that homeschooled
children excel. Children in public schools also do much better when their
parents are involved in their learning on a daily basis. Now states want
required preschool attendance for kids, but its parents who need to be
encouraged to spend more time 'teaching' at home.
Germany has admittedly "produced" great composers (before it existed as
a nation), great scientists (the greatest having to flee from it) and great
inventors (though not all of them as Nazi Germany was wont to claim).However,judging the nation of Germany by its own short history (it dates from
1871 I believe) it does a bit more than just "believe in a more orderly
society". Born under Bismarckian "Blood and Iron" and
Realpolitik, it developed Prussian militarism and then Nazi-ism, started two
world wars, and suffered occupation, and forcible division for fifty years in
the tempting hope of making the world safer for democracy than otherwise-
Unfortunately and amazingly a gullible West ommitted to factor in the
compensating tyranny of the USSR.Germany still does not include
Austria except when forcibly annexed, of course. Neither does it include Sweden
which also excels in controlling and disbanding families who are not
sufficiently politically correct.
Just another case of "What is happening to ohis Great Christian nation",
If a family is here legally why in the world would there even be an idea that
they should be deported. I agree that Thomas Jefferson of Wellsville. We as
Americans need to pray that this will not happen, these people are legal in this
counry, they are Christians, and want what is best for their children. My
prayers will be with them,
The fact that courts in the US have consistently and regularly ruled in favor of
home schoolers shows that the Obama administration is out of touch with
reality.Also, the claims that this is just treatment of anyone who
does not send their child to school is rubbish. Parents have a right to chose
how to raise their children. This right is being violated here.
Parents have an unalienable right to chose how to raise their children. Having
been bullied much in school the claim that going to school is some sort of
"human right" to a child is just plain rubbish.
Here in America we believe in idealogical freedom. We also have over and over
again upheld a right of parents to control the upbringing of their child. This
trumps the attempts of the state to mold the child into what the state wants.
The trheat of taking the children away is a grave threat, and we should not send
parents into such a mess.
In the 1980's, I knew a woman from Rhode Island who was jailed for not
sending her children to school- she was a trained teacher who wanted to
homeschool, but it was illegal in that state, regardless. In all the years
before that in most states in this country, any child who was not enrolled in
and regularly attending public school was considered 'truant', and
would be sent to a youth detention center. The parents were considered
criminals, as well, and they could lose custody of their child if they did not
force the child to attend school. The woman in question was forced to move to
another state where she could find 'asylum' and legally homeschool her
child.Homeschooling as a trend has only gained acceptance in the
United States in the past 20 years. We cannot insist that another nation be on
the same path and timeframe as we are in all issues. Germany is a
pretty nice place on the whole, with people who generally treat those who are
'different' in any way with dignity and caring. Religious tolerance is
high in Germany, but they see a different way of achieving that. Not our