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Obamacare employer mandate bumped 2015, raises eyebrows

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  • Colene in Texas SPRING, TX
    July 6, 2013 3:57 p.m.

    @alt132
    It was 6. 6 progressive groups that were targeted vs. all conservative groups applying at the same time. Of that 6, several were approved. None of the dozens and dozens of conservative groups were approved . I don't know if any of the 6 were asked for their membership rolls , or emails and other proprietary information like the conservative groups were. Susan Lerner apologized for this targeting - that's how ghe issue came to light.

    And by the way, when an administration does something wrong, lies about it, gets caught covering it up and then stonewalls, it 's a scandal. Whether it's Watergate or Benghazi. The main difference is the degree of media attention. Oh yeah, and no one died in the Watergate scandal.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 4, 2013 1:16 p.m.

    @Riverton Cougar
    If you bothered to pay attention to the testimony troops would not have arrived in time even if they were deployed when originally considered. There's a difference between being wrong (as was the case with the talking points given to Rice) and lying.

    "The liberal groups were not really targeted, as is obvious in the whole scandal. They ignored the liberal groups, even though they were told to look for progressive names as well."

    That's incorrect. (See, I know the difference between you being wrong and you lying because I'm sure your sources of news never bothered to tell you about how the investigation was being improperly handled and directed to ignore particular inconveniences).

    @VST
    "Then why were nine revisions of the original “talking points” needed?"

    That was debunked by CNN as incorrect information.

    "It turns out that the investigating Treasury Inspector General failed to initially mention there were other “progressive hit lists.”"

    Because he was directed to only investigate conservative groups being targeted.

    "NO organizations (with words like “progressive” in then) were denied receiving the non-exempt tax status by the IRS"

    No conservative groups were denied the tax status.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    July 4, 2013 12:04 p.m.

    dumprake,

    "It's time for a million man march on the White House--with guns."

    Armed rebellion? Do you not respect the constitution? The constitution outlines how we resolve our political differences and it is not via armed revolt.

    If it would be okay for conservatives to arrive in Washington with guns to force change, would it be okay for liberals to do the same? Should a million or so of them go to Washington armed for conflict and ready to enforce their will?

    We need to be very careful here. Our nation is an agreement to work together within the constitutional framework. If we advocate going outside of that framework we encourage others to do the same. The constitution will then be effectively destroyed.

    If we truly respect and revere the constitution, we use the prescribed systems to put in place constitutional officers (congress, president, and supreme court justices) who agree with our interpretation of the constitution.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 4, 2013 10:45 a.m.

    atl134:

    Oh!

    This will improve health care, and lower the deficit? Just give it time to set up?

    You believe the words of Barack Obama?

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    July 4, 2013 9:15 a.m.

    To There You Go Again:

    No sir, there is no expectation that businesses would start to hire again based on a one-year delay in implementation of one portion of the law. Businesses will not hre full time workers with an expectation of rapidly rising costs a year later.

    This is political opportunism at its finest, coupled wi a recognition that the law is unimplmentable in its current state. LIBS shoved this broken law down the throats of the American people, and not only did not bother to read or understand the law, but didn't even make sure that those authoring the law had done an adequate job of crafting it so it could be reasonably implemented.

    The ACA has introduced massive uncertainty on all sectors of the American economy, raised taxes in a recession, heaped new mandates on American businesses and citizens, and piled millions of new people into a broken system - all without addressing a single major failure in our current system.

    The ACA was a political power grab by the left that will leave ALL Americans worse off. Sadly, the poor who it was designed to help will be hurt the most.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 4, 2013 8:43 a.m.

    "Republicans have told Americans that the ACA is THE REASON for the jobless recovery.

    Now that the ACA is out of the way until 2015...

    We should witness an amazing 17 month job creating bonanza."

    It is not repealed. Companies aren't going to suddenly start hiring because of this delay. This was a political move to protect Democrats in the 2014 election.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    July 4, 2013 12:09 a.m.

    It's so hilarious to watch repubs turn on their baby, Obamacare. In the 90s Obamacare was their health care reform idea. Now, they're attacking it in favor of kicking the can down the road and leaving millions of fellow Americans without health care.

    Ronnie Reagan must be rolling in his grave seeing what a joke his party has become. His party has clearly left him. He would be a democrat today.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 3, 2013 10:13 p.m.

    "Benghazi isn't a scandal"

    What? Obama mysteriously disappears, "didn't know what happened", and Hicks testifies that he told Hillary Clinton about it during real time, telling them it was a terrorist attack and troops were ordered to stand down. Then, the White House keeps calling it "mob violence" for weeks. No scandal? Then neither was Watergate. Nobody died at Watergate.

    "The IRS thing has been revealed to show there was targeting of groups that had "progressive" and other such things in their name. Turns out Issa only authorized an investigation into conservative groups and had them ignore the matter of targeting liberal groups too."

    This targeting had been going on for months and months, but then finally after weeks of investigating the matter, they THEN realize that they were "targeting" liberal groups too. What a convenient discovery for the Democrats. Whew! They dodged a bullet there!

    The liberal groups were not really targeted, as is obvious in the whole scandal. They ignored the liberal groups, even though they were told to look for progressive names as well.

    Obamacare might be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Ironically, the Affordable Care Act will bankrupt America.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    July 3, 2013 10:13 p.m.

    Republicans have told Americans that the ACA is THE REASON for the jobless recovery.

    Now that the ACA is out of the way until 2015...

    We should witness an amazing 17 month job creating bonanza.

  • hermounts Pleasanton, CA
    July 3, 2013 9:40 p.m.

    These tweaks should have been done before the legislation was even introduced, let alone passed!

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    July 3, 2013 9:23 p.m.

    The delay is likely illegal, and troubling enough for that alone. On top of the whole Obamacare scheme being "a train wreck."

    Worse, however, is this arrogant demonstration of imperial power by an autocrat who has adopted the policy of ruling by executive order and fiat and ignoring the law.

    Anyone who thinks that the Senate version of Amnesty with its purported border strengthening measures will be implemented by Obama (or his bureaucrats who will be around long after his term ends) is delusional.

    It is fitting that this was announced right before July 4th, so we can compare the actions of the present administration against the tyrannical acts which drove our founders to reject the only government they had ever known, in favor of one of freedom, and the rule of law, not despotism.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 3, 2013 9:10 p.m.

    @Demisana
    First off the fine isn't 5,000. When fully implemented it's 695 per person, and no higher than 2,085 per family (kids are half the rate so 2,085 would be two parents two kids, kids beyond two don't increase the fee).

    Alternatively the fee is 2.5% of income that exceeds a minimum threshold (9,500 for single or 19k for married) which for a family making 100k is $2,025. So I guess if you're a 200k a year income person then you could get to 5,000 for the fine. However, the fee can never be higher than the cheapest "bronze" plan so at some point the fee would basically just be "take this insurance".

    Secondly... there's no enforcement mechanism. Like seriously the IRS does not have the means to actually collect the fine. (By the way, the IRS targeted liberal groups too, so it wasn't used for political targeting, sorry that your right wing news sources didn't cover that detail just like Issa ordered the investigation to only focus on conservative groups being targeted).

  • Demisana South Jordan, UT
    July 3, 2013 8:10 p.m.

    The reporting requirements for Obamacare are more time intensive than for income tax, according to my accountant boss. Seriously? Who can possibly still think this is a good idea? Yeah, because making people pay a $5000 penalty, when they can't afford healthcare, is really going to help them pay their doctor bills when they happen. Not to mention, hmm, $5000 penalty, or 8-15K a year in health insurance - nah, nobody's gonna choose the penalty over the insurance... No company's gonna cut somebody's hours under 30, so they won't have to cover them... No company's gonna refrain from hiring the worker that will kick them over the top into Obamacare territory...

    And, by all means, let's put the IRS in charge, the same agency that lets itself be used for political purposes, that spends 70 million on "training conferences", that just audited 65% of people claiming the adoption tax credit last year - most of which were below median income. Yeah, great and productive use of time there...

    How stupid do they think people are? Apparently they are right though, they got re-elected... Sigh...

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    July 3, 2013 7:11 p.m.

    Atl134: If you mean the government having more time in setting up the prison cell of government control, I'll be voting against that, not that it will help. So far, Americans seem quite ready to accept their prison cell numbers. If socialism is what they want, then by all means lets give it to them. But, let's not stop there, lets implement the whole program, communism. Perhaps only then people will see the path they so easily walked down. We first endure, then pity, then embrace.

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    July 3, 2013 6:19 p.m.

    Stupefying that there are still people out there who support this administration and the corrupt members of both houses of Congress that blindly voted for this fiasco of obamacare. Corrupt, corrupt, corrupt and ppwer hungry. The ignorant masses will always be fooled, but come on, aren't there enough obama voters who will admit they made a horrendous mistake in voting for him and those who support him? He knows the impact of a 2014 implementation will anger voters who until then thought all was marvelous with Obamacare. So change the date to 2015 until elections are over. Couldn't be more blatant and obvious.

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 3, 2013 6:04 p.m.

    "In a move the critics suspect is meant to delay bad news until after the next election . . . "

    Thanks, Deseret News, for the even-handed lead. Journalism at its finest.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 3, 2013 5:36 p.m.

    What just happened in Egypt?

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 3, 2013 5:32 p.m.

    Businesses were waiting this long to delay laying off employees, probably hoping that somebody/anybody would fix a broken Obamacare system.

    It hasn't happened. Demos. remain loyal to Obama/Obamacare.

    BUT - quite a number of them couldn't possibly be elected in 2014 if the employer mandate were implemented because it would (and will)drive up unemployment.

    I won't bother to list the growing number of problems with Obamacare; suffice it to say, it won't work.

    The ONLY question is: how much money do we flush down the toilet before demos. figure out it won't work?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 3, 2013 5:28 p.m.

    @3grandslams
    Benghazi isn't a scandal. The IRS thing has been revealed to show there was targeting of groups that had "progressive" and other such things in their name. Turns out Issa only authorized an investigation into conservative groups and had them ignore the matter of targeting liberal groups too. I guess you wouldn't know about that though because Fox News and conservative radio didn't bother to mention it when it came out a week ago.

    @worf
    "What's to get ready."

    The healthcare exchanges Utah and other states chose to not set up? You know, the exact thing I referenced in my initial comment.

  • milner Centerfield Sanpete, UT
    July 3, 2013 5:25 p.m.

    Good for business`s but not their employees!

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    July 3, 2013 5:24 p.m.

    How many bewildered citizens are there out there that still believe that there is a difference between the Democratic and Republican parties? If you can't figure out that they are two sides of the same coin, you haven't read the constitution lately. The bottom line of both is to stay in power, point the finger of blame at the other, and when the Constitution is discussed, it is an afterthought, a hindrance to the game. From Obamacare to NCLB, to Social Security, to Welfare, to crony capitalism, to the Military complex, to Supreme Court justices who won't defend the Constitution, it is all a sham for further control. If you are looking to Washington to save you, you are going to be sorely disappointed.

  • dhsalum Saint George, UT
    July 3, 2013 5:24 p.m.

    Thank you, worf! Hit the nail on the head.

  • dumprake Washington, UT
    July 3, 2013 5:09 p.m.

    "get it right?" This whole abominable disaster is wrong, nothing about it is right. It's time for a million man march on the White House--with guns.

  • John20000 Cedar Hills, UT
    July 3, 2013 4:36 p.m.

    This delay doesn't help. Businesses aren't going to all of a sudden start hiring people because they now have an extra year.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 3, 2013 4:23 p.m.

    atl134:

    What's to get ready.

    In 2015, employers still won't afford insurance, and will lay-off, or cut epmployee hours.

  • ImABeliever Provo, UT
    July 3, 2013 4:13 p.m.

    Typical Obama supporting Corporate America and not the Individual.
    How sad has our Country become especially having to deal with this around the
    4th of July.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 3, 2013 4:08 p.m.

    Sounds like Nancy Pelosi STILL hasn't got around to reading the part with the mandatory implementation date.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    July 3, 2013 3:59 p.m.

    It's doing more than raising eyebrows, it's finally exposing the sham that obamacare is. Add this to Bengahzi, IRS targeting scandal and the AP easedropping and we have Nixon 2.0 version.

    The only thing worse is a media industry that continues to protect him rather than hold him accountable.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    July 3, 2013 3:21 p.m.

    Its another attempt by Obama and the Democrats to avoid accountability for their complete mess, until after the 2014 elections of course! After the election Obama can be "more flexible". Everything they told us about their healthcare plan is totally wrong (a pack of lies)! What wonderful leadership. Not! Honesty is such a lonely word in the Obama administration!

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    July 3, 2013 3:12 p.m.

    Of course it is political. He doesn't want the Democrats to get the blame for this monstrosity at the 2014 elections. He knows he would lose control of the Senate and loose more House seats, once the American public sees how bad this bill will be. My company just announced yesterday a 6% increase in our health care this year, plus we are going to renew again in December to lock in rates for another year, knowing full well that next year rates will jump dramatically. Obamacare was pushed through Congress against the American people's will. We didn't want it and we still don't want it. But Obama just had to leave his legacy of changing America into a European state. Our forefathers left those countries for a reason.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 3, 2013 3:06 p.m.

    Considering all the obstruction to putting things in place, most importantly the exchanges, this shouldn't be that surprising. The system needs to be set up for it to work and it's not ready yet.