For me I think every women in this world is little shy and its up to her what
she feels whether to wear the swim suits or not.roxy
What Struck me is the brain scans done in the study. Being LDS or not doesnt
matter. I dont want a man looking at me with anything but respect: As a person,
as a woman, as a human being, period. From these comments I suspect NO ONE saw
the video. If seeing a scantily clad woman can turn off the mans brain ability
to see me as a human being rather than as a tool or object to be used then Im
ALL for modesty. It is not about people telling me how to dress. IT is ALL about
having respect for myself and not making harder for others to have respect for
me. WATCH the video before you weigh in. You will make a lot more sense.
I am a 67 year old, "dirty old man," who thinks the female human body is
the most beautiful of God's creations, both is form and function. Going
nude would be interesting, in a perfect world, but in the real world, you would
have to see as many fat old bodies, like mine, as you would see young firm
bodies. I have entered a covenant to have sexual intercourse with no one but my
wife, so I would rather not have bits and pieces of the private female parts,
flashed. Amy female that uses her body to attract males, will only attract
males that are only interested in her body. Some of the most beautiful females
I have met, I would have problems giving a physical description of, as the
light, from their spirit shines so bright, through their eyes, that it blinds me
to their physical appearance.
the resistance to modesty probably is 2 fold. first it is perceived as an
attempt by some to get others to conform to their way of thinking and behaving
AND so often what passes for modesty in women's clothing is ugly or
unappealingthe picture of the swimsuit and this article is
definitely beautiful. most conservative people in Utah and most conservative
people in the world would however not think that the swimsuit was modest.and that is the problem people want beauty in life. people appreciate
beautiful scenery and the beautiful woman beautifully dressed as a part of what
brings joy to my life.
Chango Supremo"What is the difference between wearing a bikini
in public vs wearing lingerie in public?"The same difference as
is a doctor examining a naked person vs. that doctor looking at naked people not
in a clinical setting
Someone mentioned in the article a biblical citation about causing another to
sin. Here is a different reference: Nehemiah 13:26 -- Did not Solomon king of
Israel sin by these things? yet among many nations was there no king like him,
who was beloved of his God, and God made him king over all Israel: nevertheless
even him did outlandish women cause to sin.Now, Solomon was
ultimately responsible for his own actions. But is it possible that we might be
considerate of others in our own actions and demeanor, especially in matters
which may affect their spirituality? Just wondering.I too strongly
endorse the reality that modesty is not a one-gender issue. And that word
embraces so much more than apparel!
@ SheamusWho is pushing enforcing and pushing their agendas on the
rest of the world? The LDS faith promotes it to its members, and the article is
showing examples of swimsuits for those who do not want to wear two piece
Modesty is a form of self respect and gives the wearer and viewer of modest
apparel a sense of comfort and safety. Why is it going against the grain to
dress modestly? Why do so many girls feel compelled to bare all? Why is there
such a need in so many people to conform and belong even if they feel
uncomfortable showing their precious parts to others? And why do women feel the
need to conform to wearing flimsy apparel so much more than men do? Also, how
is that equality?
What's an even bigger self centered misconception by most young girls and
women is that men are turned on by their string bikinis, I think the insult a
woman's body and figure.This girl is on to something women
should pay attention too. Modesty and showing less is more alluring to a man
than running naked on the beach or in a home. Some things on the body should
remain a mystery for men. Men's imaginations will do the rest and attract
more desirable companions to their side.Woman should stop dressing
and looking how they do for each other and concentrate on less is more. Painted
girls attract painted guys who are just as fake as they present themselves.And encase they haven't noticed, their are more men into more of a
woman than advertizes are willing to admit. Women waste so much money on masking
themselves when all a man wants is one who is pleasant and cordial to be around.
And all that makeup taste yucky and terrible and a turnoff that shuts down any
hormonal attractions.We like modesty, its a real guy catcher.
Joining the church 30 years ago, I read where President Kimball said that we
should wear modest one piece swimsuits. Our bodies are temples of God. That
was good enough for me. My very immodest bikini went into the garbage bin.
What is one rule for the youth is not necessarily one rule for the adult women.
The length of skirts and wearing of leggins under short skirts seems to be
becoming the norm. We have the responsibility of teaching the youth by our
examples. We also have the responsibility by being obedient to what our
Prophets and Apostles teach us. Wanting to send an article to the Ensign, I
read of the conditionsfor sending a story and they stress For the Strength of
Youth dress guidelines. Once again if it is good enough for the Ensign to
publish, it is good enough for me. We are meant to be different, peculiar, to
the world and following the worldly fashions is not good enough for me. I
always think, How would I feel dressed like this in front of the Saviour.
Notice in the temple, Heavenly Father and the Saviour dress very modestly. Good
enough for me.
To Amy Grigg, I would ask, doesn't the phrase, 'am I my brothers
keeper?' ring any bells? To say you are "I'm a cross-wearing,
Hanukkah-celebrating rosary-loving hijab-wearing Mormon" doesn't exempt
you from the lessons of Genesis 4. Even the serpent didn't get away with
It's interesting to note the piety of some, such as this comment
"it's primarily a young man's responsibility to control himself
and keep his thoughts from straying..." Really? Per which verse of
scripture?If God had intended for men to not have sexual desires, he
would not have given them. But he did. He commanded us to not commit adultery
and to not lust after another woman. That's where the challenge comes. Women, in general, tend towards enjoying admiration. Which leads to
their fixing themselves up so that the attract gazes (including wearing skimpy
bathing suits).And if women are attracting admiring looks,
they're happy...and so are those doing the admiring. And this
process often leads to dating and to...marriage. So, it isn't always bad.
There are some valid questions here about what constitutes modesty and what
about the guys.Not all bikinis are constituted equal. Some are slightly
less revealing.Girls and women are not responsible for the thoughts of
men. Men and boys will think what they will, no matter what women are
wearing.However, if girls and women purposely dress to get men and boys to
look at them in a sexual way, they do bear responsibility for their intentions
and their actions. Women need to be honest with themselves about what their
intentions are, just as men do.This fashion of men and boys wearing their
pants around their knees, exposing their behinds, is obnoxious and certainly not
modest.C'mon guys.It looks stupid. Looks like you haven't got a brain
so you want people to focus on your rear end.I don't have a problem
with sleeveless shirts, but I think showing underwear straps is tacky. I
couldn't care less about the examples set by movie stars of tackiness.
It's still tacky.
Being a woman it is very offensive to me to see some woman prancing around with
half of her body hanging out...it is not attractive and I think it demeans her
opinion of herself.
I was very well endowed as a teenager and it was extremely DIFFICULT to find a
modest and supportive one-piece swimsuit! Eventually, I gave up and was wearing
bikinis because they had more support than one-pieces. As an adult, I've
had to order modest one-piece swimsuits from Europe. I'm so grateful for
modest swimsuit companies that have sprouted up!!! Obviously, it's due to
supply and demand. Women aren't fully to blame for men's minds
wandering. However, if you've been taught, through your religion, what you
CAN do to be a part of bettering the environment for men and women, then guess
what, you should do it! That doesn't mean that I condone condemning anyone
as a bad person if they are immodest. NO ONE has mentioned children so far and
how immodesty affects them. My young son has told me about his curiosity of the
female body and that's natural and understandable. Yet, he said that
he's VERY EMBARRASSED around a particular aunt who is very immodest. I
wish she would be more considerate!
atl,Then a guy should be able to do the same... even if it is a
To me that girl in the photo is more attractive than if she were in a bikini.
If you ask me, swimsuits are less about modesty and more about hydrodynamics.
Who cares what a girl looks like in a swimsuit because you probably won't
see much of it in the water, anyway. (And why would you wnat to wear a swimsuit
if you weren't planning to swim in it?) One piece swimsuits give better
hydrodynamics (in my experience) by covering up body curves, and the ones with
skirts have *horrible* hydrodynamic properties because the skirt introduces way
too much unneccessary drag. Besides, it has to be harder to enjoy swimming in a
bikini because those straps looks terribly flimsy and easy to break to untie
with a cannonball or backflip into the pool. Who wants to deal with that kind of
embarassment? Thus, a one-piece swimsuit just makes the most sence (and, if
it's more modest, all the better).
A woman should be able to wear whatever kind of swimsuit she wants without being
derided over it being too modest or too immodest.
Looking at this issue from an LDS point of view, yes, it's primarily a
young man's responsibility to control himself and keep his thoughts from
straying where they shouldn't, but if the young women they associate with
care about their brothers, they will want to support them in this by not making
Obviously,taking the sacrament was wasted on these two parties,no doubt the
spirit quickly left the room when they clashed,I agree get to church early if
you want to be seated together, and if some one else sits down don't get
annoyed be of good cheer (chair) and share.....:)
For LDS, the Holy Spirit is offended by immodest dress and won't reside
with the person if they are immodestly dressed.
What is the difference between wearing a bikini in public vs wearing lingerie in
As a guy, I have mixed feelings about this. But if you absolutely must wear a
bikini, please (1) shave, (2) weigh less than 170, and (3) wear sunscreen. You
need to keep your skin healthy for your man. Or woman.
OK to all what is Modesty? The Amish it is one thing. To the
Middle East it is anotherMovie Stars it is yet another. LDS it is
per the Strength of Youth Pamphlet. In many parts of the world being
naked on the beach is not immodest. Others can not even show their face. Movie
stars seem to be the ones that make trends yet they do not seem to be the best
examples. Sports Illustrated seems to think that their Swim Suit Issue is OK.
Must be modest. Yet to me it looks more like soft Porn. Is Porn modest? Seems
to have a HUGE following. So where is your line in the sand? So
what is Modest and what is not? I like the guy who was appalled at
the rules imposed by BYU on premarital Sex and Modesty. After complaining to
the point of argument he then admitted he now knew where his daughters were
going to go to college. You think it does not affect society,
think again. I personally think that there is a happy medium. The Strength of
the Youth pamphlet seems to sum that up very well.
Love this article...mostly because it states very much what I feel personally.
However, I also understand that others may have different feelings about what
constitutes modesty and I respect that. I think we need to be careful about
taking the responsibility from men and giving it to women where having
"impure thoughts" or actions is concerned. That can be confusing and
send the message to men and women that men can't control themselves, which
is absolutely untrue and does not give them the credit they deserve. It can also
give undue responsibility and guilt to women.
JimE - Dressing modestly is not common sense. What makes it common
sense? Your verbiage implies modesty is not a choice but a mandate. When did
modesty equal respect? In addition to that, you are in denial that men and
women will still have carnal desires whether someone is modest or not. Man or
Woman can still imagine what is being worn under a suit or dress. No worse than
seeing someone dressed immodestly isn't it?
Talking about modesty is an efficient way to focus thoughts on sex. In countries
where there is no obsession with modesty, women are always dressed modestly.
noellecampbellYou like the fact that your daughter doesn't want
to swim because she feels too exposed and thinks it is immodest? That is kind of
messed up. People, including your kids, shouldn't feel shame about wearing
a bathing suit. That is flat out strange.
Sheamus,I agree completely. I hate that people are always judging
and "slut shaming" women for the way they dress. They always say that if
a woman dresses a certain way she will be gawked at by men. How about teaching
men to control themselves? They always say that a woman dressing a certain way
will lead to rape. Yet, when a man is raped, no one asks what he was wearing, or
why he was in that part of town at night. The expectation is that women are
supposed to limit their own liberty as to where they go and what they do because
men can't be expected to control themselves. As a man, I resent that. A
woman should dress the way she wants and be able to go where she wants when she
Dressing modest is just common sense. Be it a man or woman. It shows that you
respect yourself and those around you. To dress immodestly and then put the
burden on others to control their own thoughts is just plain irresponsible. No
wonder this country is swirling around the toilet and ready to go under.
I find it funny that as a society we seem to have no problem publically debating
what Women wear, but what about men? And I'm a dude. But you never see
any on-line debate about men who wear a pair of shirts without a shirt at the
beach, but when a Woman wears a bikini all of a sudden it’s somehow
scandalous? Really? I’m guessing there are very few on-line debates
about guys and tight shorts that might reveal too much, in fact as a society we
usually laugh that off as being “European” or just odd, but rarely
is it mentioned when considering “modesty.” Why is this
conversation only germane to women’s beachwear? Where are the women
commenting about men’s wear being immodest? Not only does this discussion
seem a bit antiquated, it also seems a bit misogynistic too. I like the advice
in the article though, wear what makes you feel compfortable and don't
worry about what others are wearing or thinking. If you want to set an example
of modesty, go right ahead.
"The temple of God is holy, which temple ye are."
One of the things I like best about this trend, is it allows girls, like my
daughter, who don't want to go swimming BECAUSE swimsuits make her feel
overexposed, to feel comfortable doing a 'normal' summer activity.
Doesn't every parent want that for their daughter?
It is so funny to me, that people can come so unglued over modesty. We know if
you want a string bikini, you can get one. Those of us who like to be covered up
more, should be able to do so--whatever our reasons without having to debate the
I am tired of others enforcing and pushing their agendas on the rest of us, that
their way is the right way and we all need to conform. Modesty is always a
topic among LDS - why? I being LDS( I do not push my religious agenda on others)
could care less if a fellow LDS or other was wearing a bikini or not, or whether
it was modest or not. What is the purpose of being modest, to inhibit men from
gawking? Who defines modesty? Shouldn't it be the individual? I just
don't get it, and never will.
In many countries that picture would be extremely IMMODESTPerhaps
she should market swimsuits that truly are modest, covering ankles to head?
To wear a bikini or one piece, that is the question?I don't
particularly look good in a bikini. I just don't have the girlish figure
or the hips. My chest hair would be off-putting. However if I did, I would be
evaluated by all who see me. Some would think I was nuts. Some would applaud
me. They would all have an opinion. That is why this guy does his best to wear
appropriate clothes (with a great deal of help from my wife). Gone are the days
I could get away with wearing socks and sandals together.Women tend
to judge wardrobe much more than men. They also dress for each other more than
in getting a guys attention. It is a conscious choice in what clothes they put
on, and is the way they wish to be presented.