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Published: Tuesday, July 2 2013 3:15 p.m. MDT

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TroyTown
Anaheim, CA

Unfortunately for Utah, Winslow is just the latest in a long history of coaching abuse that's been happening at the U for at least the last 20 years. First Majerus. Now Winslow. And, who knows how many others.

3grandslams
Iowa City, IA

re: allotasballtas

Not being brave, just stating the obvioius. Please don't throw around titles and positions as qualifications for integrity, especially using a refernce to government and the NCAA. I can't think of two more entities that suffer the stain of hypocrisy and cover-up more than they do.

oldcougar
Orem, UT

Too many of you are blind to reality. When you get a bunch of ambitious, type A personalities together, whose jobs depend on the performance of their "student athletes," bad stuff will happen. If you think nothing like this has ever happened at your school (yes, even BYU), then I believe you are naïve. I've been around awhile. I've been close enough to the field to hear the kinds of language that spewed from the mouths of some BYU football coaches. I have close friends who played b-ball for Frank Arnold at the Y...and were instrumental in his ouster, because of his unfair and abusive behavior (not physical, but mental/emotional). This stuff happens. Nevertheless, it must not be tolerated. If this helps Dr. Hill reevaluate his oversight and prevent more of this behavior in the future, it's a good thing. He has brought much success to the U and I believe he deserves another chance...but only once. Cougar trolls, you would be wise to be less harsh. Something like this could easily happen on our turf too.

Wookie
Omaha, NE

Down Under:

Tell me how my calling you out is a Sunday sermon? Are my remarks not true? Tell me, where is your class? Merriam Webster defines classy as having or reflecting high standards of personal behavior. I am confused, is this what you have exemplified? Does your academic institution espouse the behavior displayed? Does your faith teach you love, tolerance, and forgiveness? I have been taught certain principles and precepts and I try daily to incorporate them into my daily actions. What say you?

GO UTES!!

ekute
Layton, UT

@oldcougar

You and a few others on these boards represent that cougar "class" that the other cougar "fans" are always bragging about. Cheers.

3grandslams
Iowa City, IA

Some of you ute fans defending the U, need to read the post of your fellow fans and recognize that this is bad any way you slice it. You can disparage Y fans but it won't change the fact that unless Dr. Hill is properly investigated, and those around him, and held to the very standard the U proscribes for employment, this will go down as a embarrassing cover-up and Dr. Hills integrity will be questioned for the rest of his career.

Creeper51
Bountiful, UT

Hindsight is 20/20, when you have all the evidence laid before you it's pretty easy to make a decision. The evidence that we see today took years to gather.

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

"...Now I am not one that thinks this should have cost chris hill his job...".

I am.

In the 80's, Chris Hill was part of a White Paper Investigation, of the Utah State Developmental Center.

Chris Hill wanted someone to lose their job as a result of reports of alleged abuse.

Fast forward 30 years and we have Chris Hill telling taxpayers...

We'll do better next time?

That's it?

That's all?

Don't do as I did, do as I do now?

What kind of leadership is that?

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

Wookie - they are just jealous because you were spot on!

Go Utes!!

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@ Old Cougar

Nicely done. What comes around, goes around. This could happen any where, and I mean any where. I remember when Josh Heyfelt had the little mushroom possesion incident at Gozaga. Let's not forget what went down at Penn St. It happens.....unfortunately.

Amazed
Bountiful, UT

I have to agree, I really do. As a life long Ute supporter, I was unaware that the campus had a swimming pool (We always swam at South High School). I was unaware that I could generate enough income for the school for the U to provide me with a grant-in-aid to cover my costs of attending. I agree that if my son told me that a "drunk" was coaching him and verbally abusing him, that it would be 100% up to Chris Hill to look that coach in the eye and suggest that he resign. NOT. What was it about this loser that made him so intimidating? Again, I agree, if having a drunk or aggressive teacher as part of your University experience is concerning, then there are other departments at the U and departments further South that better be careful. I expect my son and daughter to deal with adversity as part of their education, because, heaven forbid that they ever have to earn a living working for an abusive drunk as a boss. It happens friends.

Wookie
Omaha, NE

Thank you Vegas Ute... Happy 4th of July!

Riddles in the Dark
Olympus Cove, Utah

54-IQ

A lot of denial on the hill even with the facts that are known.

Chris Hill denies even knowing the details of Winslow's and has openly admitted that he did absolutely NOTHING to follow up on the report.

As Duckhunter said, it's shameful that the university allowed a drunk coach to repeatedly abuse his swimmers for years without lifting a finger to stop it; it's shameful that the U hired a couple of Ute homers to independently "investigate" Chris Hill's botched handling of the whole situation; and it's shameful that even after the investigators openly acknowledged that Winslow should have been fired at least a year ago, that the university hasn't announced a single sanction against Chris Hill, the AD who was ultimately responsible for allowing the abuse of Utah athletes to continue for years.

If you have evidence to prove that the U did more to stop the abuse than is being reported, now's your chance to present it. Otherwise, your weak "not knowing all of the facts" argument is nothing but a smoke screen to avoid having to accept the shameful truth.

wYo8
Rock Springs, WY

it is amazing that Chris hill gets away with not even a slap on the wrist. Did the investigators read the original article or did they put their head in the sand just as the local media did when the story first broke.

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

Thanks Wookie - you too!

Go Utes!! Onward and Upward!!

Why would I?
Farmington, UT

Why would I be surprised if Utah actually did something about the problem, when it should have been done? They were too busy gushing about being in the PAC 12. Dr. Hill has it pretty good in that he can always push those below him under the bus and the partisans will respond with "Go Utes!" Some folks wouldn't recognize a problem it if reared its head right in front of their AD.

midpacmajor
Salt Lake City, Utah

8-5 overall, 4-5 PAC, 8th in 2011
5-7 overall, 3-6 PAC, 10th in 2012
3-9 overall, 1-8 PAC, 11th in 2013 (projected)

Onward and Upward must mean something quite different to the kids on the hill, than it does to the rest of the college football world.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@54

But supposedly we do "know all the facts". Didn't utah just release the findings of this completely above board, thorough, and "independent" investigation?

So based on that don't I "know all the facts"?

It would appear you just shamefully may a "frantic and emotional" post because that is what you just automatically do when I have an opinion on a matter.

So if I "don't have all the facts" and utah supposedly just released "all the facts" then who is really at fault here? It would seem that you don't believe the findings either I suppose yet you posted what you posted. Shameful.

rafinsure
Elk Grove, CA

Yes, you could've done better Dr. Hill. You failed in your number one duty, which is to look after the emotional and physical well-being of your athletes. At the very least, heads rolled at Penn State. You don't even get a slap on the wrist. Pathetic!

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