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Published: Monday, July 1 2013 5:10 p.m. MDT

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City, Ut

The commentors here complaining that an LDS newspaper dares mention one of the firefighters happened to be LDS baffle me.

Now we just have to ask if you posters engaging in this (and who agree with them) are being offensive and ridiculous on purpose, or out of complete cluelessness?

Every dramatic/distressing event like this then have newspapers somewhere that give the local connections. After the Boston Marathon, I was in Oklahoma. Lead stories in the newspapers and TV channels focused on the Oklahomans who had been there and were involved.

After 9/11, many states and foreign countries focused on their citizens who had been there and been affected.

But I'm guessing you are not clueless.

So when making these kinds of derogatory comments about the Deseret News- and in the process belittling all the pain of the surviving widow and the little children this picture at the expense of your blatant rudeness, remember people see right though that and you are only telling on yourselves....

We know that this is NOT about you caring about the other firefighters who are unmentioned as you so superiorily suggest.

We know it is only about you and your intentions.....

East Carbon, UT

I am praying that the families of these 19 who lost their lives will be comforted, not only by their friends and neighbors, but by our Lord and Savior! No greater gift can a man give than to lay down their lives for others, these men gave the ultimate sacrafice.. am praying also for all those who lost their homes!

Virginia Beach, VA

First, my heart and prayers to the family of Andrew Ashcraft, and the other fire fighters. Now, I'am just a common sense kind of guy. From my perch in Virginia Beach, when I want LDS news I come to the Deseret News, its an LDS newspaper (imagine that). When I want local news I don'nt come to the Deseret News, and the same goes for military news. I go to my local paper, and military publications. So, here's some common sense for a few poster's.
@Cedarcreek, if your looking for faith information on those who lost there lives try the national news, and then go to there faith publications.
@Brave Sir Robin, try the national news, plenty of articles covering all the victims. This is a religious news paper primarily covering the LDS Church.
@BigBudda, check your local Arizona news, I'am sure the coverage is overwhelming in Arizona. I find it odd that you would come to an LDS news website based in Utah for your local news in AZ where the fire is based.
Glad I can still be of service to my fellow countrymen.

sandy, UT

Their were 18 other fatalities. How is it that you don't report the religion of all of the deaths. Perhaps there may have been an agnostic, an atheist or, worse yet, a gay firefighter.

Cottonwood Heights, UT

For all the "whiners" out there..............this story is published under the section entitled "Mormon Times". I suggest if it is so bothersome, don't read anything in the Mormon Times section, if you don't want to read about Mormons! Duh!

And to think that it is any less concerning to Mormons than that one single Mormon firefigher, get over it. Quite frankly we don't care. Read something else.

Prayers go out to all the families who were affected by this tragedy! Including the one firefighter who shares my religion!


It is in no way a disrespect to the other victims to write one article that focuses on one of them. Here is the complete list of those killed:
Kevin Woyjeck, 21;
Chris MacKenzie, 30;
Andrew Ashcraft, 29;
Anthony Rose, 23;
Eric Marsh, 43;
Robert Caldwell, 23;
Clayton Whitted , 28;
Scott Norris, 28;
Dustin Deford, 24;
Sean Misner, 26;
Garret Zuppiger, 27;
Travis Carter, 31;
Grant McKee, 21;
Travis Turbyfill, 27;
JesseSteed, 36;
Wade Parker, 22;
Joe Thurston, 32;
William Warneke, 25; and
John Percin, 24.
Rest in Peace

us, ME

OK, let's put this in some perspective. I live in Maine. If one of the firefighters had been from Maine, the local papers would have written an article about him specifically. That doesn't in any way discount the other 18. It just shows that it has a local angle. Ashcraft being LDS has a "local" angle to other LDS members. It doesn't discount the other 18.

I see, with just a quick scan, that there are 6 other articles that talk about all 19 firefighters, versus 1 that talks about the LDS member of the team. So, can someone explain to me about how talking about this one LDS firefighter discounts the deaths of all of them?

Ghost Writer

You guys that are bothered that the only LDS person killed in the fire is featured in the "LDS CHURCH NEWS" section of Deseret News need to scroll back up to the top of the page and read the subheading: "LDS Church News." No one is diminishing the tragedy of the deaths of these other victims of the fire.

Smile On
West Jordan, UT

My heart goes out to all of the families affected by this great loss. I pray for all who are at a loss and grieving this huge loss.
** Heads up, if you don't want the LDS angle on this story, don't read the LDS owned and focused newspaper. Hello.... This article is posted in a LDS newspaper under the tab "faith". What did you expect?
Thank you for this article and the focus on this LDS family. Very well written.

Again my heart goes out to all grieving at this time. May God Bless you all!

Orem, UT

Wow...the issue here is that a young man died in a tragic fire. I have grieved for all of them. I have read all their names, many times, in other publications. I have seen their pictures and read their stories. No one has been left out of the coverage or diminished in any way. Take some time to read their stories...swap it for the time you have taken to criticize this story about an LDS young man in a Utah paper owned by the LDS church. To tell this young man's story in no way diminishes the grandness of the sacrifice of his 18 companions. Where do you guys come up with this stuff...the need to come down on all things LDS? Why do you read the Des News? It's not your only option. If it bugs you, don't read it!

my two cents777

I am an Arizonan and I LOVE Deseret news- it keeps me tied into the news I may not get in AZ newspapers or inet news. For those of you who are complaining about this news service bear in mind that it is, basically, an LDS newspaper. If you don't appreciate hearing news of members and activities related to the Church, then, perhaps you should unsubscribe and find another outlet to patronize. Meanwhile, keep up the wonderful job of keeping members updated on LDS news from around the world, Deseret.
God bless our wonderful firefighters- and, especially, the 19 who lost their lives in Yarnell. We continue to pray for their families and all affected by this horrendous event.

West Valley, UT

The Firefighter's Prayer

When I am called to duty, God, whenever flames may rage;

Give me strength to save some life, whatever be its age.

Help me embrace a little child before it is too late

Or save an older person from the horror of that fate.

Enable me to be alert and hear the weakest shout,

And quickly and efficiently to put the fire out.

I want to fill my calling and to give the best in me,

To guard my every neighbor and protect his property.

And if, according to my fate, I am to lose my life;

Please bless with your protecting hand
my children and my wife.

Author Unknown

Capt Moroni
Perris, CA

A man loses his life and instead of supportive comments many of you turn it into a religious debate. Shame on all of you.

sid 6.7
Holladay, UT

Although I agree whole heartedly with Ceedercreek and Brave Sir Robin (Well said by the way Mr. Robin)I also agree this is a Church Owned Paper and it is not out of the ordinary nor is it wrong for them to run an article on the tragic death of one of it's members. Self serving though it may be they can write whatever they want.

I usually disagree with what the Des News writes but I read the paper along with the Tribune to try and get different views on different news topics. I believe we are blessed to have both of these news outlets servicing our State as it gives us a 360 view of most news.

I pray for all of these brave men and their families and ask the Lord to Bless and Comfort them during this difficult time.


I have two sons who are firefighters, and am very proud of them. I was reading about this tragedy while talking to one of my sons living in Florida. He interupted the phone call to leave to fight a wildland fire. He came back safe and sound. My prayers go out to all of the families and the community devastated by this disaster. I am thankful that there are people like this who are willing to put it all on the line for complete strangers and also those who are not strangers. May God bless them and their families.

Cedar City, UT

The Salt lake Tribune has a story today about one of the Prescott firefighters that was originally from Cedar City. It doesn't say whether or not he was LDS. So, which connection should a paper pursue: LDS or from Utah?

I do think an indepth story about any one of those firefighters is a very good thing and helps us understand the tragedy.

Salt Lake City, UT

wazzup: "For all the "whiners" out there..............this story is published under the section entitled "Mormon Times"."

Not so in the paper edition. It is on page 2 of the Local section. In hindsight, I'll bet the Des News wishes, at the very least, that they had mentioned that Joe Thurston, one of the dead firefighters, was from Cedar City, Utah.

SomewhereIn, UT

@Cedarcreek (and others)

As a Utahn and as LDS, I am interested in this kind of news. As an American, I am also interested in the broader news about the tragedy in Arizona. I have read and watched several accounts of it.

As a Star Valley Wyoming property owner, I am interested in the goings on there. Very interested. I hope you don't mind a neighbor who affiliates with folks from several areas with many backgrounds and who have interests in diverse topics and loyalties that span all of these. I expect that the events and news in Star Valley are perhaps not that interesting to folks here and may take a local view - the same as I would hope that others (apparently there are many readers of the D-news from out-of-state) could understand that its main audience is primarily Utah/LDS. Hope that makes sense.

No, it was not an oversight or an act of negligence or ignorance to highlight the life of an individual like Brother Ashcraft in a paper like the D-news.

May God bless his family - and yes, the families, friends and associates of all 19 of these heros.

Mike in Sandy
Sandy, UT

I would mourn him just as much were he Muslim, Catholic, or Atheist

Reasonable Person
Layton, UT

Back home in Cedar City, Utah, Joe Thurston, 32, used to go to an area reservoir with friends and promptly show how fearless he could be.

Thank you, Joe Thurston, for your work.

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