Were there any Baptists, Jews, Catholics, Lutherans, Agnostics, or any other
belief there. Nobody cares what they do on Sunday. This Sunday they were all
trying to protect lives and property.
@CedarcreekThe LDS community is pretty tight, worldwide.And
odds are very good that if they're LDS they have relatives in Utah.This is a "Utah" paper.That is why it's relative, no pun
intended.We mourn for all who were lost.All were young men in the
prime of their lives.Yes, we are indeed interested and you should not be
Thanks for the article. It hits home harder when a victim has something in
common, whether it be religion, nationality, a common medical condition, a
mutual acquaintance, etc. Prayers for all affected by both the deaths and the
How horribly sad for the young wife and children. I pray the peace of God that
passes understanding will see them through this ordeal as best it can. That first comment is a bit harsh.
Thanks to all those who put their lives on the line to protect us. Every now
and then, the ultimate price is required and I salute those who willing pay
that very high price. I pray for them, their families and their associates.
May you all be comforted in your grief and realize there are those of us who
greatly appreciate your personal sacrifice in our behalf.
@BlutoIf the deceased firefighter had relatives in Utah, then that
is the angle that should be explored, not his religion.As a member
myself, I am growing increasingly annoyed by the LDS angle constantly being
played up. At best, it makes us look petty (like the life of a church member
matters more than the other lives lost). At worst, it makes us look provincial
The "Mormon Times" does a nice, informative human interest piece on a
"Mormon" - and the complaints come. Who is being insecure?
This is a lds owned news paper. So when a lds person dies, it's news.And it should be.
I live in Texas and was sad to hear of this tragedy. My interest grew when I
read that of of the firefighters shared my LDS faith. I appreciate the kind and
thoughtful comments that have been posted. I can't imagine how the family
must feel as they deal with their loss. My god bless and comfort them. Sad to see controversial comments from cedarcreek and sir robin on this type
of article - just wish more respect for those are suffering could be
Thanks for this article.Thanks to you too Bluto. Well said.
@Dad" just wish more respect for those are suffering could be
demonstrated."Actually we're the ones pushing for more
respect for those who are suffering. 19 people died in this fire, not just 1
What does the fact that he was "LDS" have anything to do with the price
of rice in China? What a stupid premise for a story. There are good LDS people,
and there are horrible LDS people. The fact that he was LDS doesn't make
the others' sacrifice any less significant or relevant.
To those who question the point, the fact that 19 are dead has been well
publicized. This is just additional news for those interested in an LDS
perspective. If you are not, I have no idea why you would read this paper.For the families of all, may they be comforted and blessed. These were
heroic men. That is not an overstatement. There is no amount of money
sufficient to pay someone to do that job. They do it out of love and service.
Ryan... take a few extra seconds and cut and paste the names of the other
victims.We in Arizona are deeply saddened by this event and to single out
one person seems odd?
@Brave Sir Robin et al ...You who complain about this story being
about an LDS firefighter. I don't get it--Deseret News is owned by the LDS
church. I feel there is nothing wrong about this story. @Brave Sir
Robin you say that you as a member of the church are annoyed at the increasing
LDS angle on people. That makes no sense to me. The story about the 19 deaths
has already been reported. This is an additional background story to subscribers
that are heavily LDS. (Like you.) I suggest then that perhaps you shouldn't
read the Deseret News. I'm LDS. That's why I read this LDS-owned and
LDS-oriented newspaper. I'm interested in reading about my LDS sisters and
brothers in the news. No other paper in the world provides that "angle,"
of which I appreciate. (How DARE the Wall Street Journal write articles about
finances and the stock market?!!!)As others have posted, some people
seek to find fault and seek ways to be offended. As the saying goes, if you
stick your foot out far enough, it's going to get stepped on.
As a father of a daughter who worked for four years as a wild lands fire fighter
I knew she loved her job but still every time she went on a fire I worried. My
thoughts and prayers are with those families who have lost their loved ones.
These men were fathers, husbands and sons, may their families be comforted and
find some peace in knowing they were providing service to others.
@Robin, Batman and the restEvery paper in America responds to the
local angle of a story.Who, what, why, when and where.This is part
of the who, for a "Utah" man who perished in the fire.The people
protesting so much here, are the same folks who have no problem when media
reports ones LDS faith pejoratively.Again, stop being so defensive.
Mormons worldwide are a family. So essentially a family newspaper has announced
that one of the 19 Granite Mountain Hotshots who died was part of the family.
That does not demean the death of the other 18 heroes.
@CedarcreekNot sure if you have been paying attention, but the
newspaper business as we know it is coming to an end. The Utah market isn't
big enough for both the Des News and SL Trib to be successful. Des News has
pivoted and instead of being a Utah paper, they are now an LDS paper. It makes
more sense for them and they are meeting a demand. You better believe other
religions have similar papers.
I agree with BigBuddha - all names should be published so that family and
friends are aware. Tears come every time I think of these young men. No matter
their religion it is a tragedy and one is not better than the other and all
these families are suffering so deeply at the loss of their loved one..that is
what we should be concerned about. I hope and pray these men did not know or
feel pain, that they were taken swiftly. May the Lord's choicest blessings
be with the families and friends of these fine, brave and willing fire fighters.
The commentors here complaining that an LDS newspaper dares mention one of the
firefighters happened to be LDS baffle me.Now we just have to ask if
you posters engaging in this (and who agree with them) are being offensive and
ridiculous on purpose, or out of complete cluelessness?Every
dramatic/distressing event like this then have newspapers somewhere that give
the local connections. After the Boston Marathon, I was in Oklahoma. Lead
stories in the newspapers and TV channels focused on the Oklahomans who had been
there and were involved.After 9/11, many states and foreign
countries focused on their citizens who had been there and been affected.But I'm guessing you are not clueless. So when making
these kinds of derogatory comments about the Deseret News- and in the process
belittling all the pain of the surviving widow and the little children this
picture at the expense of your blatant rudeness, remember people see right
though that and you are only telling on yourselves....We know that
this is NOT about you caring about the other firefighters who are unmentioned as
you so superiorily suggest.We know it is only about you and your
I am praying that the families of these 19 who lost their lives will be
comforted, not only by their friends and neighbors, but by our Lord and Savior!
No greater gift can a man give than to lay down their lives for others, these
men gave the ultimate sacrafice.. am praying also for all those who lost their
First, my heart and prayers to the family of Andrew Ashcraft, and the other fire
fighters. Now, I'am just a common sense kind of guy. From my perch in
Virginia Beach, when I want LDS news I come to the Deseret News, its an LDS
newspaper (imagine that). When I want local news I don'nt come to the
Deseret News, and the same goes for military news. I go to my local paper, and
military publications. So, here's some common sense for a few
poster's.@Cedarcreek, if your looking for faith information on those
who lost there lives try the national news, and then go to there faith
publications.@Brave Sir Robin, try the national news, plenty of articles
covering all the victims. This is a religious news paper primarily covering the
LDS Church.@BigBudda, check your local Arizona news, I'am sure the
coverage is overwhelming in Arizona. I find it odd that you would come to an LDS
news website based in Utah for your local news in AZ where the fire is based.Glad I can still be of service to my fellow countrymen.
Their were 18 other fatalities. How is it that you don't report the
religion of all of the deaths. Perhaps there may have been an agnostic, an
atheist or, worse yet, a gay firefighter.
For all the "whiners" out there..............this story is published
under the section entitled "Mormon Times". I suggest if it is so
bothersome, don't read anything in the Mormon Times section, if you
don't want to read about Mormons! Duh!And to think that it is
any less concerning to Mormons than that one single Mormon firefigher, get over
it. Quite frankly we don't care. Read something else.Prayers
go out to all the families who were affected by this tragedy! Including the one
firefighter who shares my religion!
It is in no way a disrespect to the other victims to write one article that
focuses on one of them. Here is the complete list of those killed:Kevin
Woyjeck, 21; Chris MacKenzie, 30; Andrew Ashcraft, 29;Anthony
Rose, 23; Eric Marsh, 43; Robert Caldwell, 23; Clayton Whitted
, 28; Scott Norris, 28; Dustin Deford, 24; Sean Misner, 26;
Garret Zuppiger, 27; Travis Carter, 31; Grant McKee, 21; Travis Turbyfill, 27; JesseSteed, 36; Wade Parker, 22; Joe
Thurston, 32; William Warneke, 25; and John Percin, 24.Rest in
OK, let's put this in some perspective. I live in Maine. If one of the
firefighters had been from Maine, the local papers would have written an article
about him specifically. That doesn't in any way discount the other 18. It
just shows that it has a local angle. Ashcraft being LDS has a "local"
angle to other LDS members. It doesn't discount the other 18. I
see, with just a quick scan, that there are 6 other articles that talk about all
19 firefighters, versus 1 that talks about the LDS member of the team. So, can
someone explain to me about how talking about this one LDS firefighter discounts
the deaths of all of them?
You guys that are bothered that the only LDS person killed in the fire is
featured in the "LDS CHURCH NEWS" section of Deseret News need to scroll
back up to the top of the page and read the subheading: "LDS Church
News." No one is diminishing the tragedy of the deaths of these other
victims of the fire.
My heart goes out to all of the families affected by this great loss. I pray
for all who are at a loss and grieving this huge loss. ** Heads up, if you
don't want the LDS angle on this story, don't read the LDS owned and
focused newspaper. Hello.... This article is posted in a LDS newspaper under the
tab "faith". What did you expect? Thank you for this article and
the focus on this LDS family. Very well written. Again my heart goes
out to all grieving at this time. May God Bless you all!
Wow...the issue here is that a young man died in a tragic fire. I have grieved
for all of them. I have read all their names, many times, in other publications.
I have seen their pictures and read their stories. No one has been left out of
the coverage or diminished in any way. Take some time to read their
stories...swap it for the time you have taken to criticize this story about an
LDS young man in a Utah paper owned by the LDS church. To tell this young
man's story in no way diminishes the grandness of the sacrifice of his 18
companions. Where do you guys come up with this stuff...the need to come down on
all things LDS? Why do you read the Des News? It's not your only option. If
it bugs you, don't read it!
I am an Arizonan and I LOVE Deseret news- it keeps me tied into the news I may
not get in AZ newspapers or inet news. For those of you who are complaining
about this news service bear in mind that it is, basically, an LDS newspaper. If
you don't appreciate hearing news of members and activities related to the
Church, then, perhaps you should unsubscribe and find another outlet to
patronize. Meanwhile, keep up the wonderful job of keeping members updated on
LDS news from around the world, Deseret. God bless our wonderful
firefighters- and, especially, the 19 who lost their lives in Yarnell. We
continue to pray for their families and all affected by this horrendous event.
The Firefighter's PrayerWhen I am called to duty, God, whenever
flames may rage;Give me strength to save some life, whatever be its
age.Help me embrace a little child before it is too late Or save an older person from the horror of that fate.Enable me to
be alert and hear the weakest shout, And quickly and efficiently to
put the fire out. I want to fill my calling and to give the best in
me,To guard my every neighbor and protect his property.And if, according to my fate, I am to lose my life; Please bless
with your protecting hand my children and my wife.Author
A man loses his life and instead of supportive comments many of you turn it into
a religious debate. Shame on all of you.
Although I agree whole heartedly with Ceedercreek and Brave Sir Robin (Well said
by the way Mr. Robin)I also agree this is a Church Owned Paper and it is not out
of the ordinary nor is it wrong for them to run an article on the tragic death
of one of it's members. Self serving though it may be they can write
whatever they want.I usually disagree with what the Des News writes
but I read the paper along with the Tribune to try and get different views on
different news topics. I believe we are blessed to have both of these news
outlets servicing our State as it gives us a 360 view of most news.I
pray for all of these brave men and their families and ask the Lord to Bless and
Comfort them during this difficult time.
I have two sons who are firefighters, and am very proud of them. I was reading
about this tragedy while talking to one of my sons living in Florida. He
interupted the phone call to leave to fight a wildland fire. He came back safe
and sound. My prayers go out to all of the families and the community
devastated by this disaster. I am thankful that there are people like this who
are willing to put it all on the line for complete strangers and also those who
are not strangers. May God bless them and their families.
The Salt lake Tribune has a story today about one of the Prescott firefighters
that was originally from Cedar City. It doesn't say whether or not he was
LDS. So, which connection should a paper pursue: LDS or from Utah?I
do think an indepth story about any one of those firefighters is a very good
thing and helps us understand the tragedy.
wazzup: "For all the "whiners" out there..............this story is
published under the section entitled "Mormon Times"."Not
so in the paper edition. It is on page 2 of the Local section. In hindsight,
I'll bet the Des News wishes, at the very least, that they had mentioned
that Joe Thurston, one of the dead firefighters, was from Cedar City, Utah.
@Cedarcreek (and others)As a Utahn and as LDS, I am interested in
this kind of news. As an American, I am also interested in the broader news
about the tragedy in Arizona. I have read and watched several accounts of it.
As a Star Valley Wyoming property owner, I am interested in the
goings on there. Very interested. I hope you don't mind a neighbor who
affiliates with folks from several areas with many backgrounds and who have
interests in diverse topics and loyalties that span all of these. I expect that
the events and news in Star Valley are perhaps not that interesting to folks
here and may take a local view - the same as I would hope that others
(apparently there are many readers of the D-news from out-of-state) could
understand that its main audience is primarily Utah/LDS. Hope that makes
sense.No, it was not an oversight or an act of negligence or
ignorance to highlight the life of an individual like Brother Ashcraft in a
paper like the D-news.May God bless his family - and yes, the
families, friends and associates of all 19 of these heros.
I would mourn him just as much were he Muslim, Catholic, or Atheist
Back home in Cedar City, Utah, Joe Thurston, 32, used to go to an area reservoir
with friends and promptly show how fearless he could be.Thank you,
Joe Thurston, for your work.
The dailymail in UK has an excellent article about Andrew and his family. At
their website, search for "I texted him". It begins with his
wife's emails with him during the day he was killed. The family photos are
warm but heart-wrenching.
When the Martin & Willie handcart companies arrived in the Valley, Brigham
Young said: "You know that I would give more for a dish of pudding and milk,
or a baked potato and salt, were I in the situation of those persons who have
just come in, than I would for all your prayers, though you were to stay here
all the afternoon and pray. Prayer is good, but when baked potatoes and pudding
and milk are needed, prayer will not supply their place on this occasion; give
every duty its proper time and place..."Along with your prayers,
please visit the Prescott Firefighter's Charities website to assist the
families of those who lost loved ones: www.prescottffcharities.orgMy brother is a Prescott firefighter and paramedic -- this is a tragic loss
for the Ashcrafts and others who lost their fathers/husbands/sons/brothers on
Our prayers go out to all the families of these brave men. America lost some
Each and every firefighter that was killed has a mother. There are 19 mothers
out there that are mourning and I don't care what religion they are. This
is why our country is so divided because too many people throw the religion
ticket out there. Get off your soapbox.
What a tragedy for all those brave men and their families.Sister
Ashcraft's story is currently on Yahoo.The interview is well
worth watching.At the time of this post, there were 671 comments.I didn't read all of comments, however, I didn't read any
condemning Yahoo or ABC News for the interview.
My 27- year-old is a wildfire fighter here in Utah. This pain of this loss goes
to my very core. We pray for comfort for the families, friends and community
where these courageous firefighters lived and fought.
I am saddened for all the loss of life and greatly appreciate the sacrifice of
all those who serve in jobs that provide protection to others. That being said,
I am also saddened by the comments of those who seem to offended by the fact
this story was about an LDS church member. I've never met him or his
family, but I knew when I saw the Today story about his wife that they were LDS
just as I knew the man who spoke about his beautiful daughter lost during the
Sandy Hook tragedy was LDS. The spirit communicates when one of our suffers a
loss. I appreciate the story because I learned more about this man and his
family and feel I can offer up more meaningful prayers. I certainly would not
offer up negative comments about stories in other papers about the lives of the
others lost. Stories such as this honor the individual and what was important
to them. Somehow bashing Deseret News for publishing this piece about an
individual seems disrepectful considering his sacrifice. I will pray for all
lost and those who have shown such hardness of heart in their comments.
Odellyn, I thought that also, when I read the story on Yahoo. I think we just
need to look for a 'connection' with people. Nothing wrong with
that.I appreciate and agree with your comments, and I appreciate the
article.Our prayers for all the families of these brave men.