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Published: Monday, July 1 2013 1:25 p.m. MDT

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poyman
Lincoln City, OR

@justsmiling

I forgot to mention Utah israted in the Lawrence Mag to have the 21st toughest schedule in the country and BYU is in the middle of the pack at about 55th.

What's interesting is Virginia is rated 1st for the most difficult, Houston is rated 5th, Boise State is rated 11th and Nevada is rated 13th...

UCLA, Oregon, ASU, and OSU are rated in the bottom 3rd and add Arizona and USC and the big bad PAC12 has 6 of it's teams in the bottom half of the schedule toughness list... All with schedules rated easier than BYU's...

Now IMHO, I think that Utah will do better with their schedule (they are predicted to finish 3-9) than they would do with BYU's schedule... I would pick them to beat only 2 teams on BYU's schedule (and one of them is a "maybe"... (Idaho State and maybe Middle Tennessee)...

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@Poyman

I notice that the one thing the Virginia, Houston, Boise, Nevada, and utah schedules all have in common is that they all play BYU and they all have highly ranked SOS. All of the pac12 teams you listed whose schedules rank in the bottom half for SOS all have something in common as well, they all play lightly regarded and lowly ranked utah.

It would appear that lowly utah hurts the SOS of schools like BYU, usc, asu, osu, oregon, ariz, and ucla, whereas having BYU on the schedule dramatically boosts the SOS of lowly regarded utah.

BYU probably should have replaced utah on its schedule with one of the MWC schools as that would have increased their SOS.

poyman
Lincoln City, OR

@jutsmiling

I forgot to answer a couple of your questions after re-reading your post and I hate "incompletes", besides I am bored and I think that there are just a couple of us reading this board now anyway...

Who did Houston beat in 2011 you ask??? Everybody in C-USA (except Southern Miss) plus UCLA (6-8 that year) and Penn State (9-4 that year) in a the Ticket City Bowl game played in Dallas, TX just as Penn State's issues were begining to become public...

I have to tell you that your comment about "resting up before playing Utah" with a bye week made me choke on the rootbeer I was drinking... Could be the best line I have heard from a utie on this board this year...

Yep js, we didn't need the break and prep week for Texas, Boise State or Wisconsin... We needed it for the #60 or #69 rated Utes (depending upon which power ranking you need)who also happen to be dragging our SOS for the year... You really caught us there, and I am so embarrassed... LOL (I'd add a whole bunch more of these if I could)...

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

poyman...you people are hilarious. According to byu fans, star rankings of players mean nothing because that what Bronco tols you to think. You find preseason rankings and regard them as the gospel truth because that's what you want to see.

The entertainment value of Bronco and his fans is just flat out off the charts...LOL!

Go Cougs!

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ RealBlue

What's wrong with Utah's receivers? Utah had QB problems, the receivers were fine for the most part. Utah has had solid recruiting classes the past few seasons (that were ranked much higher than BYU for the record). Your claim that Whittingham can't recruit is flat out wrong. Just look at all the players Utah has put into the league since Whittingham took over.

As a head coach Whittingham has only won 5 games or less once. Again, your claim is false.

As for bowl banners, BYU has a banner for every single bowl they have played in hanging on the press box despite the fact that most of those games resulted in a loss. Also, the BCS bowls are something that should be celebrated. It was a big deal for a mid-major to not only make it to a BCS game, but to come away with a convincing victory (twice). You don't sound jealous or bitter at all, btw.

BYU was in the MWC too so why didn't they bust the BCS? In fact half of BYU's schedule is made up of gimme games. Why haven't they gone undefeated since going indy?

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ poyman

You understand that BYU makes their own schedule, right? I guarantee you that the BYE week before the Utah game was not an accident. Nobody will be mad if BYU losses to Texas or Wisconsin, because it's expected. Losing to Utah four years in a row on the other hand....

Cougar in Texas
Houston, TX

Naval Vet:

Why did you leave out the portions of your April 3 comment about Warner that clearly showed you did not respect him as a recruit? Backpedalling a bit, are we, now that USC (and others, including Utah) has offered him?

You also left off my statement that you have a very poor track record in recruit evaluation, to which your first words in your reply were "No I don't".

Go back and read your own comments over the months. You offer plenty of your own recruit "evaluations".

Daniel was voted his JC team's 2011 MVP, and was a 2011 1st Team JC All American as voted by the JC Coaches in California. He was recruited by Colorado, Texas Tech, UTEP, and SJSU. His lack of offers was due to his double failure to qualify mid-year. His Scout ranking is "NR" which means he hasn't been evaluated. Rivals has no profile for him. He presents a bit of an academic risk, but not an athletic one.

And I don't think you do admit when you are wrong. When you stated that Sedgwick had "zero stars", you clearly thought he was a 2014 recruit.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

Two For Flinching

"@ poyman

You understand that BYU makes their own schedule, right? I guarantee you that the BYE week before the Utah game was not an accident. Nobody will be mad if BYU losses to Texas or Wisconsin, because it's expected. Losing to Utah four years in a row on the other hand...."

Byes before both UTAH/WISC, MTSU prior to usu, UH prior to bsu and ISU prior to nd. Their schedule continues to be ripe with weeks-off, which is why Phil Steele has their '13 SOS ranked #49. By comparison, he ranks UTAH's #12.

poyman
Lincoln City, OR

@ 2forflinching and AZute1... You "guarnatee" that BYU purposely scheduled a bye week before the Utah game?... That is so rich it is funny... It's funny because it demonstrates to the objective reader how far from reasonable some of you Utah fans are... Why any team that is "power ranked" 30 spots ahead of another team would purposely schedule a bye in order to prepare to play the weaker team defies anyones logic.

You want to do "guarantees? Here's mine... You give Utah far too much credit... On the 2013 schedule a BYU fan would much prefer to beat Texas, Boise State or Wisconsin... Utah or Idaho State won't get us the notoriety and the rankings that the schools that I just mentioned would get us...

I assure you, BYU won't need a week off or a day off to beat Utah this year... I believe that Utah wins only one game this year... Good thing y'all scheduled Weber College.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@2fer

Actually the bye week for BYU before the utah game came about because of scheduling issues with utah, Texas, and Virgina, not because BYU necessarily wanted it that way, although it doesn't hurt.

Go back and see how the games were all moved around to accomodate the schedules of everyone involved.

I love how utah "fans" like yourself think the world revolves around your losing and lowly ranked program.

LOL!

poyman
Lincoln City, OR

If BYU were to be able to move around the schedule as you suggest in order to prepare for tougher games 2-4-flinching and AZutie, We would have definitely scheduled Utah the week before Boise State, Texas or Wisconsin... In fact, we might have wanted to schedule Utah before MTSU as I suspect that they will give us a tougher game this year.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

"I assure you, BYU won't need a week off or a day off to beat Utah this year... I believe that Utah wins only one game this year... Good thing y'all scheduled Weber College."

Comments like this make you lose all credibility. Your emotion is clearly blocking your ability to think logically.

@ Duckhunter

I will take your word for it. However I still believe most of my point stands. Regardless of where Utah is ranked, it is still one of the three most important games on BYU's schedule. Nobody wants to lose to their big rival, and doing so four years in a row is terrible any way you slice it.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Cougar in Texas:

"Why did you leave out the portions of your April 3 comment about Warner that clearly showed you did not respect him as a recruit? Backpedalling a bit, are we, now that USC...has offered him? "

The REAL question is, if I HAD have omitted anything disrespectful to Warner, why didn't YOU quote me?

Answer: Because I DIDN'T say anything disrespectful about Warner. You frantically and emotionally made that up, and now YOU are one the one who's backpedaling (typical hypocritical coug), because as an Indy-WACer, you can't admit when you're wrong.

"You also left off my statement that you have a very poor track record in recruit evaluation, to which your first words in your reply were 'No I don't'....Go back and read your own comments over the months. You offer plenty of your own recruit 'evaluations'."

Again, no I don't. If I HAD have, you would have produced a quote from me. But since I don't, you're stuck with inventing frantic and emotional strawman arguments.

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