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Published: Monday, July 1 2013 10:55 a.m. MDT

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Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@SportsFan

The Quarterback Factory at BYU has won a Heisman Trophy, 7 Sammy Baugh Awards (nation's best passer), 4 Davey O'Brien Trophies (nation's best QB), has produced two NFL/Super Bowl MVPs, placed FIVE quarterbacks in the National College Football Hall of Fame, and placed one QB in the NFL Hall of Fame.

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Try not to get emotional and list out accomplishments of Edwards and Chow players. I never argued Edwards and Chow didn't have great college players. They did, that is why they are legends.

I wasn't asking how many college awards. This was about NFL accomplishments.

Again, I asked name me one QB after Steve Young that has done more in the NFL than Alex Smith?

If you can't then please explain why are you ripping on Smith for being mediocre when your players haven't done squat?

scott
Alpine, UT

Uteology

Tarkenton, Jurgensen, Dawson, and Blanda were all traded to other teams during the prime of their careers. What else can you make of that point in their careers other than that they were considered busts?

Do have any evidence that any reputable sportswriter labeled Young a bust after his football career?

btw, if you don't know why Blanda is in the HOF, then you obviously don't know much about the history of the NFL. Googling won-loss records and finding a few disembodied quotes to support your distorted narrative doesn't make you a football expert.

TheSportsAuthority
Arlington, VA

Uteology

What exactly has Alex Smith done during his 8 seasons in the NFL that merits any sort of recognition?

The fact that he played more recently than Young and McMahon, BYU QBs who actually accomplished something of note in the NFL, doesn't make the "accomplishments" of the greatest QB in Ute history any less mediocre.

talkinsports
Gilbert, AZ

Uteology

The topic of this article is "Alex Smith is a Super Bowl caliber quarterback".

So instead of whining about what era BYU's obvious Super Bowl caliber quarterbacks played in, why don't you name even one QB in Utah's entire football history that could be considered "Super Bowl caliber".

If you can't, then please explain why you're ripping BYU's rich heritage of college and NFL QBs, when your QBs haven't done squat?

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@scott

Tarkenton, Jurgensen, Dawson, and Blanda were all traded to other teams during the prime of their careers. What else can you make of that point in their careers other than that they were considered busts?

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Huh? As a fan you can't understand why a player would get traded in his prime? In 1986, HOF Eric Dickerson in his prime was traded to the Colts. So you think Dickerson was a bust?

Not according to Rams, who traded Dickerson for:
Greg Bell, RB
Owen Gill, RB
Buffalo No. 1 – 1988
Indianapolis No. 1 – 1988
Indianapolis No. 2 – 1988
Buffalo No. 1 – 1989

For Young Tampa received: 2nd #50 and 4th round draft choices.

For Alex Smith 9ers received: 2nd in 2013 #34 and conditional 3rd in 2014.

"Do have any evidence that any reputable sportswriter labeled Young a bust after his football career?"

Huh? I think I made it clear that in 1987 we was considered a bust, and took 9 years to develop into a HOF QB.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@scott

btw, if you don't know why Blanda is in the HOF, then you obviously don't know much about the history of the NFL. Googling won-loss records and finding a few disembodied quotes to support your distorted narrative doesn't make you a football expert.

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* I know enough of NFL history to prove that Steve Young was a bust in 3 years as a pro, and didn't become a HOF type player until his 9th season.

* I know enough of NFL history to prove that a Jim Kelly type QB would have turned Tampa to a winner. Using a "Apples to Apples" comparison I was able to show how Jim Kelly from the same 84 draft took a horrible Bills organization to 4 Super Bowl while Young couldn't take a horrible Tampa team to 4 total wins.

* I know enough of NLF history to know the difference between a "SF dynasty" vs "SF bottom feeder".

Those are some some of the points BYU fans were arguing against.

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

uteology

"name me one QB after Steve Young that has done more in the NFL than Alex Smith?"

John Beck has a higher winning percentage in NFL games started, than Alex Smith.

In fact, McMahon(69%), Young(66%), Beck(56%), and Wilson(53%) all have higher winning percentages in NFL games started than Alex(51%).

Jealous Utah fans see BYU's Hall of Fame filled with national team and individual college and NFL player awards and whine about a few particles of dust.

Why?

Because those same jealous Utah fans look at their own trophy closet and see that it's completely empty of such trophies.

backpacn
Sandy, UT

Uteology

Nice try with RBs, but the subject is QBs, who are the defacto leaders and arguably the most important individual players on any team.

Ignoring the gaping hole in your argument, that Young had only started 19 games for the Bucs and was hardly in the prime of his NFL career when he was traded, your challenge to name another HOF QB who had been labeled a bust and had been traded during the prime of his career was quickly met.

Yet when you were given a list of FOUR such HOF QBs, instead of being brave enough to admit you were wrong, you quickly tried to change the subject.

Bluto
Sandy, UT

The final sign of the demise of Utah Football is when her frantic and emotional fans actually try to talk down Steve Young.
Steve Young?

-Super Bowl and NFL MVP's.
-Second in the Heisman Trophy.
-College and Pro Football Hall of Famer.
-NFL's All-Time Highest Rated Passer, upon retirement.

Hilarious!

Oh you poor Ute fans...the pain of 5-7 and a pending 3-9.
Get used to the Tom Lovat Era...Part Deux.

talkinsports
Gilbert, AZ

uteology

"I know enough of NFL history to prove that Steve Young was a bust in 3 years as a pro..."

bwaaaahaha

Based on their first three years as a pro, you could "prove" that many HOF QBs were busts. In other words, you're frantically and emotionally grasping at straws to "prove" something that's completely MEANINGLESS!

talkinsports
Gilbert, AZ

uteology

"I know enough of NFL history to prove that a Jim Kelly type QB would have turned Tampa to a winner."

Prove it!

With Tampa Bay, and not with some other team that you claim was "like" Tampa Bay!

Not long after Young was traded, the Bucs picked another QB as the #1 overall pick in the draft. How did he fare?

What was Tampa Bay's record for the next 10 years after Young left?

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

Uteology,

You just dug a very deep hole. As was asked earlier, please give us all your source that stated Steve Young was a "bust". I remember that time in the NFL very well as a huge 49er fan. It was widely considered that the 49ers pulled a major trade to get Young. They gave up very little to get a very good qb. Don't forget, Joe Montana was traded BECAUSE of Steve Young. I know because I loved Montana and I was not happy, but my feelings and those of several 49er faithful did not excuse the fact that he was a very good qb.

And please don't compare the Smith led 49ers to the Tampa Bay team that Young played for. If you want to know how good Steve was, look no further than the fact that the 49ers went 1-11 after Young was knocked out of the game for good. You sound pretty desperate trying to compare Smith to Young. Why not wait until Smith is holding a Lombardi Trophy because right now you are just insulting those of us who really knew what happened in Young's career.

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

One more little tid-bit. If you want to know why Harbaugh went with CK instead of Smith just look up and watch the sports science piece that ESPN did on CK. He scored higher than any other qb that they had tested.

CordonBleu
Park City, UT

Uteology

"I know enough of NFL history to prove that Steve Young was a bust in 3 years as a pro..."

Then you obviously don't know ANYTHING about Steve Young's first year in the USFL.

Young missed the first six games of his rookie USFL season because he was taking some college classes so he could graduate on time. The 1984 USFL season began in February.

Even so, Young finished the regular season 8-4, and lead the Express to a 1-1 record in the playoffs. He became the first pro football player EVER to pass for 300 yards and rush for another 100 in a single game.

Steve Young's Rookie Stats - 9-5
179 of 310 (58%), 2,361 yds passing, 10 TDs, 9 Ints, plus 515 yards and 7 TDs rushing

Alex Smith's Rookie Stats - 2-5
84 of 165 (51%), 875 yds passing, ONE TD, 11 Ints, plus 103 yards and 0 TDs passing

Now, please stop wasting our time with your silly attempts to compare Alex Smith to Steve Young.

It's quite obvious which player was a HOF player in the making, and which player is still a bust.

TroyTown
Anaheim, CA

hmmm

Rookie stats:

Steve Young - 8-5, 17 TDs
Alex Smith - 2-5, 1 TD

Looks like Uteology's flimsy arguments are as big a bust as his QB.

Roger Jolly
Maricopa, AZ

Alex Smith is a true 'class' in the NFL. He's a professional. Though I'm a Raider fan -- 30 years -- I think Alex will take the Chiefs to where they want to be. At least make Denver earn it this season. But of course, they have to get past my Raiders. I won't feel bad if they do.

You guys want to go back-and-forth about Steve Young. You people are a sad bunch, both BYU and Utah fans.

Alex Smith and the Chiefs have nothing to do with that.

Good luck Alex Smith.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

As a die hard 9er fan it's hard to watch what's happened with Alex Smith. This guy is a true gentleman, and one of the nicest individuals you could meet. It's painful what he's been through because he was talented and very good at the QB position when he was finally given a legitimate opportunity with legitimate players (being a 9er fan has been painful until the last couple years). To anyone disparaging this player, please name me the last NFL QB to lose his starting job while being the leagues highest rated passer?

With that said, however, Kap is just a freak. 6'6 with speed and a strong arm. I don't blame the Niners at all for keeping him as the starter, but I still feel bad for Alex. And in true Alex form he took all the hoopla with Kap and the trade with grace and dignity. I wish him nothing but the best with KC, he certainly deserves it.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

How many different OCs did Alex go through in S.F.? Serious question. I also recall he had virtually ZERO talent surrounding him, upon entering into The NFL.

To those wishing to debate regarding Steve Young/Alex Smith, what does one have to do with the other? Alex Smith is a stand-up dude who very well still yet has his best years ahead in K.C. Steve Young was obviously great and I'm certain he'd be the first to point-out his good fortune in being surrounded by those he had around as teammates as well as total/complete support from the entire 49ers' organization, top-to-bottom. Looks as if Alex may have the same support in K.C., although not quite yet the same quantity of talent on their roster.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

AZUTE:
"How many different OCs did Alex go through in S.F.?"

To answer your question, Alex had 7 different offensive coordinators in his 8 yrs with the 49ers. This included an OC change EVERY SINGLE year until Greg Roman finally with Harbaugh was there for more than 1 year. No QB could survive that revolving door.

TheSportsAuthority
Arlington, VA

AZUTE1

"To those wishing to debate regarding Steve Young/Alex Smith, what does one have to do with the other?"

Ask VegasUte 4:50 p.m. July 1, 2013

He was the one who was suggesting that Alex was on the same HOF trajectory as Steve Young.

"Good luck Alex! Just remember, it took Steve Young a LONG time before he could convince anyone he was any good. And, it took a Ute coach to teach him how to be successful!"

BYU fans were simply debunking that overly optimistic assessment, since there is no evidence to support that conclusion.

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