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Published: Monday, July 1 2013 10:55 a.m. MDT

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UoU 1991
Park City, UT

"What's really laughable is the clear double-standard Utah fans have for Jimmer Fredette, who was labeled a bust as soon as he stepped foot on an NBA basketball court by the same BYU-hating bloggers who claim that Alex is a great QB who simply hasn't been given a chance to prove himself."

Unfortunately, your assessment is spot on.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

SportsFan
Orem, UT

Uteology

"So Alex led the 9ers to a NFC championship game in 8 years, what did Young do over his first 8 years?"

A selective memory there, as usual.

In his 8th season, Alex led the 49ers to a 5-3 record... Blah

In his 8th season, Young led the 49ers to a 14-2 record and the NFC Championship game...Blah

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I have selective memory? Young was in his 9th year as a professional before he lead SF to a NFC championship game.


* "Young signed a record 10-year, $40 million contract with the Los Angeles Express United States Football League in 1984."

* Young led the 9ers to a NC game in 1992, his 9th season as a professional.

* In his 8th season as a professional, he went 5-5 as a starter so the 9ers tried to trade him to the Raiders until Al Davis balked.

* Before the 1992 season Young was 15-26 as a starter in the NFL and 6-4 in USFL.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@SportsFan

Who cares at what age Alex reached his first accomplishment?

Young played behind a Hall of Fame QB for most of his first 7 seasons in the NFL, yet in his first season as a full-time starter for the 49ers, he led San Francisco to the NFC championship game and won several MVP and Player of the Year awards.

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Selective memory? His first season as a starter for the 9ers he was benched for Bono and was going to be traded to the Raiders.

He played his rookie season in USFL and went 6-5 as a starter.

He played next two seasons as a starter at Tampa Bay and went 3-16 and was labled a "bust".

He joined the 9er dynasty and as Joe Montanta's under study went 7-3 as a starter over 4 years.

He took over in Sep 1991, in game one, (his 8th year as a professional QB) when Montana was injured and went 5-5 as a starter. Young was overtaken by Bono in the depth chart, prompting the 9er nation trying to trade him to the Raiders in the off-season.

Finally, in 1992 (9th year) he lead a 9er dynasty to a 14-2 season and a NFC championship game loss.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Uteology

You're seriously trying to compare experience in the failed USFL to experience in the NFL?

Talk about desperate and emotional.

Comparing Apples to Apples.

Prior to becoming the 49ers' starting QB in his 8th season in the NFL, Young had only been an NFL starting QB for THIRTY-NINE games. Young's record as a starter with Tampa Bay was 3-16. His record with the 49ers was 12-8. In his first 39 NFL games started, Young was 15-24 overall. Beginning his 40th game in 1992, Young finished 14-2 and lead the 49ers to the NFC championship. Following his 87th game started, Young was named Super Bowl MVP.

Prior to starting his 8th season in the NFL, Alex Smith had been an NFL starting QB for SIXTY-SIX games, almost twice as many NFL games as Steve Young had started prior to his 8th season. Alex's record during his first 39 games was, drum roooooll, 15-24. Beginning his 41st game in 2010, Alex finished 3-7. To date, Alex has started 75 games. Following his 87th game started, Alex will be named...

* crickets *

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

Uteanymous

Alex Smith is the greatest QB ever to play for the Utes, but he doesn't even come close to being comparable to Steve Young.

Despite his #1 selection in the NFL draft, about which Utah fans are constantly beating their chests, Alex wasn't even the best QB in the 2005 draft, let alone, the best player.

wwookie
Payson, UT

Only fitting that @Riddles says the same things about Smith that were said about Young.

Only a pure cougarist would then claim those things weren't said. In his own words...Hysterical.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Uteanymous: "You're seriously trying to compare experience in the failed USFL to experience in the NFL?"

No I am not. What I said was he had one more year of "professional QB" experience in 1984 from USFL. He gained experience playing starting QB, regardless of the quality of the league.

In fact, Young actually gained more experience starting in USFL than Smith did in 2008 on the sideline being injured.

Even HOF QB Jim Kelly disagrees with you:

“The two years' (USFL) experience helped," Kelly said of his career. "The type of play was not the same--well, as far as a quarterback goes, it was. Jim Kelly has to hit his receivers no matter who or where it is. I read my coverages just like I have to now. The main thing I saw was the (lack of) experience. The difference wasn't too much for me."

-- Rich Roberts (Los Angeles Times)

Speaking of emotional, where in the world is a ‘SF Dynasty’ compared to ‘SF Bottom Feeder’ an “Apples to Apples” comparison?

Young went 3-16 (Tampa)
Alex went 7-12 (SF)

Both were horrible teams.

utahcountyute
Cedar Hills, UT

Sporto:

Let's not look over the fact that Young was also playing catch with the greatest WR in NFL history. Please don't say that Steve made Rice better either.

I hope Alex has a great season.

Go Utes!

SportsFan
Orem, UT

Uteology

"What I said was he had one more year of "professional QB" experience in 1984 from USFL. He gained experience playing starting QB, regardless of the quality of the league."

After 39 games as NFL starting QB
Young 15-24, the next season, Young was 14-2, lead the 49ers to the NFC championship game
Smith 15-24, the next season, Smith finished 3-7

After Smith had his breakthrough season finishing 13-3 in 2011, the following season he was replaced by a 2nd round draft pick with only one year of NFL experience and then Smith was traded:

Awards Received - NONE

After Young became the 49ers starting QB and had his breakthrough season finishing 14-2 in 1992:

1992 NFL AP MVP
1992 NFL PFWA MVP
1992 NFL Bert Bell Award (Player of the Year)
1992 NFL AP Offensive Player of the Year
1994 NFL AP MVP
1994 NFL PFWA MVP
1994 NFL Newspaper Ent. Assoc. MVP
1994 NFL Bert Bell Award (Player of the Year)
1994 NFL Super Bowl MVP

Pro Bowls
1992
1993
1994
1995
1996
1997
1998

First-Team All-Pro
1992
1993
1994

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Uteanymous

“Apples to Apples” comparison: HOF Jim Kelly vs. HOF Steve Young

1984-85 Both started their careers in USFL: Kelly 2 years and Young one
Both drafted to bad NFL teams:

* Bills 1984-85 (4-28) Kelly plays 1986
* Tampa 1983-84 (8-24) Young plays 1985

1986-87 Kelly (4-12 6-6) 10-18
1985-86 Young (1-4 2-12) 3-26 … labeled a bust and traded to the SF dynasty

1988-91 Kelly build a dynasty (43-15), lead team Super Bowl (loss)
1987-91 Young learning under a legend (12-8)… was going to be traded until Raiders balked

1992-96 Kelly leads his team to 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Super Bowl (loss)
1992-99 Young finally arrives and with a help of Prime Time wins a SB in 1994

“There wasn't a QB in the league that wouldn't have been a "bust" playing for the Tampa team Young played for.”

Not true, Jim Kelly played for a worse team and lead them to 4 Super Bowls. Steve couldn't even lead Tampa to a 3 win season/

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Rockwell

Despite his #1 selection in the NFL draft, about which Utah fans are constantly beating their chests, Alex wasn't even the best QB in the 2005 draft, let alone, the best player.

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True.

But it's also true, that you can't name one BYU QB since Steve Young that has done more than Alex over the same period.

The QB factory down south went from Young a HOF QB, to Detmer a great 2nd string QB, to Hall a potential CFL QB.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@SportsFan

So you're saying Steve Young's career started in 1992. Ignore everything else including, his USFL experience, being labeled a "bust" by Tampa, and the trade to Raiders after going 5-5 and being passed by Bono in 1991.

Sounds about right! After all this is the same fan-base that argues BYU football started in 1972.

SportsFan
Orem, UT

Uteology

Despite your barrage of completely unrelated spin, there's absolutely no legitimate excuse for the #1 overall pick in the 2004 NFL draft losing his starting QB job with the 49ers to a 2nd year, 2nd round draft pick, except...

that Alex was simply NOT GOOD ENOUGH!

The Quarterback Factory at BYU has won a Heisman Trophy, 7 Sammy Baugh Awards (nation's best passer), 4 Davey O'Brien Trophies (nation's best QB), has produced two NFL/Super Bowl MVPs, placed FIVE quarterbacks in the National College Football Hall of Fame, and placed one QB in the NFL Hall of Fame.

Alex Smith represents the epitome of Utah QB's and he's never won a national award of any kind in college or the NFL.

The program on the hill has gone from nothing to nothing.

Marked it Down
Park City, UT

Uteology

"So you're saying Steve Young's career started in 1992."

Two words: Reading Comprehension

It's blatantly obvious from the entire conversation that 1992 was Young's first season as a full-time starter for the 49ers and that he'd only started 39 NFL games to that point in his NFL career.

Compare Young's accomplishments after 39 NFL starts to Smith's accomplishments after 39 NFL starts and it's clear to see there's absolutely no comparison.

Super Bowl MVP and Pro Football Hall of Famer versus a QB who has only won ONE playoff game and lost his starting job to a 2nd round draft pick with only one year in the league.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@SportsFan

Despite your barrage of completely unrelated spin, there's absolutely no legitimate excuse for the #1 overall pick in the 2004 NFL draft losing his starting QB job with the 49ers to a 2nd year, 2nd round draft pick, except...

that Alex was simply NOT GOOD ENOUGH!

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Not good enough! The 9ers would not release Smith, Chiefs gave up a 2nd round pick in order to make Alex their starting QB.

And what is the "legitimate excuse" for a Hall of Fame QB to get labeled a "bust" in his prime and then traded?

I can't recall any other HOF QB being labeled a "bust". Can you?

phantomblade
Salt Lake City, Utah

utahcountyute

"Let's not look over the fact that Young was also playing catch with the greatest WR in NFL history."

So you're saying that individual success in any team sport depends greatly on how good your teammates are.

How insightful!

So how do you explain Alex losing his starting QB job last year? An injury side-lined him for a couple of games, but that hardly explains why he spent the rest of the season on the bench and then was traded for a couple of 2nd and 3rd round draft picks.

btw, it's funny how the BYU haters' "bad team" logic doesn't apply to Jimmer's situation with the Kings.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Uteology

"And what is the "legitimate excuse" for a Hall of Fame QB to get labeled a "bust" in his prime and then traded? I can't recall any other HOF QB being labeled a "bust". Can you?"

Too easy - Fran Tarkenton, Sonny Jurgensen, Len Dawson, George Blanda

Obviously, Tampa Bay was a poor excuse for a football franchise and a clueless judge of NFL talent.

Their record following Young's departure after only one full season with the Bucs speaks for itself.

Whatsnu
Sandy, UT

Uteanymous

Great answer!

Following Alex Smith's break-through season of 2011, Uteology obviously doesn't have a legitimate excuse for why Alex was replaced in his prime by a 2nd year, 2nd round draft pick.

Maybe things will work out for Alex in KC, but so far it's all speculation.

Young, on the other hand, is a Super Bowl MVP and NFL Hall of Famer.

Who cares whether some sportswriter labeled Young a "bust" partway through Steve's career. Obviously, the writer was completely mistaken in his assessment.

redfeather
Palo Alto, CA

So beating three 7-5 teams during the regular season, a #25/unranked team in a bowl, and winning one playoff game in 8 seasons in the NFL makes Alex Smith a Super Bowl caliber quarterback, eh?

Sorry KC.

Advantage: 49ers with Colin Kaepernick

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Uteanymous

Tarkenton played 6 years with the Bucks (2 seasons .500 or better)
Jurgensen played 6 years with the Eagles (1 season 10-4).
Dawson started a total of 2 games in his 5 first years, also traded after going 11-3
Blanda was 53-50-1, from 1949 to 1975... no idea why he's in the HOF, and don't care.

No idea why you labeled them a "bust". Can you cite a source that agrees with you?

Young went 3-26 in 2 years and then dumped. Then Tampa labeled him a "bust".

@Whatsnu.

When did I claim Alex Smith was a HOF QB, or even a Pro Bowl type player? I have said he was at best 2nd string QB before 2011, but he proved me wrong over the last 2 years. He's grown into a legit NFL starting QB under the right coach. Pro Bowl maybe one day. HOF most likely not.

No 9er fan was thinking Young was a HOF QB in 1991. But he developed into one of the greatest after 9 years.

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