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Published: Saturday, June 29 2013 11:51 p.m. MDT

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SLC BYU Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

The entire reason Utah State didn't end up in the same mess that Idaho and New Mexico State did, is Craig Thompson's egotistical desire to blackmail BYU back into the MWC. Why did he turn to Logan first nearly 3 years ago when the BYU independence plan was coming to light?

The fact that can't be avoided is Utah State is the "poorest little stepsister" of all the MWC schools and amplifies more than anything why BYU wanted to bail on that league.

Still further Utah State has state university demography in enrollment and the future size of alumni bases working against it. If Utah Valley University started a football program, they would have better odds of turning such a project into a Boise State level success, something that BYU without question uses to stop any efforts to have their program dropped when the issue arises in discussions at the senior LDS Church leadership levels.

CO Ute
PARKER, CO

Chris B is entitled to his opinions but as indicated by other posters, he doesn't speak for all U fan. I'm thrilled to see the Aggies move into a better conference and to continue to upgrade their football program. Hopefully they will have a successful first year but talk of another top 25 ranking and another bowl game is very premature at this point. If they finish with 8 or more win in the regular season that will be a great story and get them to a bowl game but they could easily start the season at 1-6 before the schedule gets easier.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

Neither usu or utah will ever be major contenders in their conference in football, although usu will be near the top consistently in basketball. utah will never be near the top consistently in any sport people actually care about.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

I don't see the point on bagging on Utah State. The MWC lost Utah in 2011, but added Boise St. That seems like a push. When it lost TCU the following year, they were unable to replace them with a similarly dominant program, so really, that was the only loss. Don't forget that despite the loss of the 2-time BCS bowl busting Frogs, the MWC is STILL the premier midmajor league out there. And the addition of USU, FSU, and UNR were solid additions. The MWC will be fine, and the Aggies will fit right in.

Utah State had earned my respect.

Go Aggies!

ekute
Layton, UT

Duckhunter,

"utah will never be near the top consistently in any sport people actually care about."

Like rugby, soccer, and the NIT. lol.

Sambonethegreat
Salt Lake City, UT

"It's remarkable what one decent season can do to an entire fanbase's collective common-sense!... but their self-delusion is so utterly rampant that usu fans literally don't comprehend precisely what the full-impact of Coach GA removing himself from the equation up there in Logan in actuality means for usu's football program!"

I already addressed this issue to you in another post. I know where USU has been, but I also see where they can go. USU has the tools to succeed going forward now because of Andersen.

Yeah, he left us. But he left us in FAR better shape than where we were five years ago. We have vastly improved facilities, recruiting, and fundraising because of him. Andersen's system is fully in place and Wells said he isn't going to try and fix what isn't broken.

And the Utes didn't fail when Urban Meyer left town. Why can't a similar situation play out with the Aggies?

Lastly, that triple digit SOS you keep talking about is baloney. USU's SOS last year, while not great, wasn't nearly as bad as you are trying to make it sound.

Stang08
Cedar City, Utah

I can't pinpoint which comment I love the most. These Aggies are so funny. Weather it's the poor excuse for attacks on me or the delusion that they are actually going to be successful without Andersen. Face the facts Aggies. Not one person agrees with your views. All they have to do is go to a game and watch how you fan's act.

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

Sambone and Samoan - Your comments are spot on. I only disagree with one sentence. I believe BYU and Utah's chances of playing for the NC are exactly the same. An undefeated regular season will be required for either team to get into the new playoff. As long as BYU continues to put together a schedule like they have in 2013, an undefeated season will get them to the new playoffs just like it will for the Utes.

One loss for either team takes both teams out of the playoff picture. Teams like Alabama, Notre Dame and Texas still have a shot with one loss, but not the Utes or Cougs.

The elitist comments are way off target. Being in the PAC means nothing (except more money for the university) if U finish near the bottom in football, M and W basketball and baseball. Most experts would tell you that the 2008 MWC Utes were a more elite program than the 2012 PAC Utes.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Naval Vet:
Wow...I think you have written the first post where I entirely agree with you. Very classy words for a classy organization like USU. I wish the Aggies all the best in their new home. The MWC is absolutely the best midmajor conference, and past power rankings have shown that (sometimes even rated above the ACC). With all their returning starters, there's no reason to believe USU can't have another great season, and even compete for the MWC championship (BSU, Fresno, and SDSU will be tough but USU has the horses to pull off upsets). Good luck Aggies!

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

Finally, I stand by my statement regarding Coach GA's departure and its long-term impact on usu's football program. Time will tell its entire story, although, IMO, 2013 will be a step-back for usu, just not the precipitous one I predict results going forward.

Sambonethegreat
Salt Lake City, UT

Naval Vet, Cougsndawgs, and CougFaninTX: all classy people. Thanks for the kind words towards us Aggies. I'm stoked for the move to the MWC!

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@CougFaninTX

USU is clearly a university whose athletic programs are on the rise, especially football. I'm not a Ute hater, but I'm afraid Utah will be in the bottom half of the PAC most years....

Once every 20 years they will put together something noticeable.

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But you have to admit once every 20 years in a "real" conference is MUCH better than once every 30+ years as a mid-major (see 1984 in football and "Ainge era" in basketball).

Tators
Hyrum, UT

To Elite:

Literally no one but a Ute troll would ever consider calling any team that wins only .387 of their conference games "elite". As a bare minimum a team has to consistently win over half of their conference games and be bowl eligible.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

MWC was a three team league: TCU, Utah, and BYU (in that order).

Now it's Boise, Utah State, Fresno/SDSU (in that order).

Go Aggies!

Tators
Hyrum, UT

@ elite:

For someone who perhaps sees a bit too much red, the sports Duckhunter referred to that people care about that Utah is obviously not competitive with in their conference is both football and basketball. Since they have finished near the bottom in both sports since joining, it's not even arguable.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@CougFanTx

One loss for either team takes both teams out of the playoff picture. Teams like Alabama, Notre Dame and Texas still have a shot with one loss, but not the Utes or Cougs.

The elitist comments are way off target. Being in the PAC means nothing (except more money for the university)

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One loss Cougars will most likely playing in a 2-tier bowl game in December.
BCS denies Cougars; BYU (12-1) headed to Liberty
-- Dec. 4 2001

One loss PAC-12 Utah team will most likely play in playoff game. Why?

Because since 1998 (BCS era) TEN PAC-10-12 teams with one loss have finished #4.

Thus, a one loss PAC-12 team is most likely a playoff team. At the very least a one loss PAC-12 team is playing in the Rose Bowl.

Those are not elitist comments, just reality.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

sambonethegreat--

"Yeah, he left us. But he left us in FAR better shape than where we were five years ago. We have vastly improved facilities, recruiting, and fundraising because of him. Andersen's system is fully in place and Wells said he isn't going to try and fix what isn't broken."

To date, I agree 100%. However, now that he's moved-on, the consummate recruiter/motivator/fundraiser suddenly must be replaced. Here it becomes tricky, as he's virtually irreplaceable, if not entirely so. This is, in part, what I was referencing below in projecting usu's football program, going forward. Thoughts?

"And the Utes didn't fail when Urban Meyer left town. Why can't a similar situation play out with the Aggies?"

The obvious next step is comparing MW/Coach KW at identical juncture in their respective careers. Thoughts?

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

sambonethegreat--

"Lastly, that triple digit SOS you keep talking about is baloney. USU's SOS last year, while not great, wasn't nearly as bad as you are trying to make it sound."

Sagarin ranked usu's SOS #97. CBS Sports ranked usu's SOS #113 out of 124 total teams ranked. Think week-in, week-our grind of a schedule=UTAH's, NOT usu's!

A perfect illustration of no weeks-off in-between tougher games, see UTAH's 2013 mid-season 8-game stretch. I'm not complaining, whatsoever, mind you, as I in fact completely welcome this challenge! I only mention it, in order to show you that beating a bunch of NMSUs/Idahos, in part as built-in breathers/guaranteed wins ensuring bowl eligibility [see 2-Star byu's Indy-schedules as prime examples of deliberately scheduling weeks-off with cupcakes/actual bye-weeks], which does in fact boost one's chances of masking/mitigating non-BCS overall talent/depth, and actually does in fact differ from a legitimate back-to-back week-in, week-out grind of a schedule, big-time!

I wouldn't conceive of ever trading our situation in PAC-12 for 2-Star byu's/usu's, ever!

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

cougfaninTX--

"The elitist comments are way off target. Being in the PAC means nothing (except more money for the university) if U finish near the bottom in football, M and W basketball and baseball. Most experts would tell you that the 2008 MWC Utes were a more elite program than the 2012 PAC Utes."

"Elite" has been adequately broken-down on here, nothing to specifically add it.

However, you state above how way off target the Elitist comments are. On this point, I agree 100% and hope that you'll begin leading the way by discontinuing your seemingly endless references to it?

Thanks in advance! Greatly appreciated!

tdlawton
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Joining the MWC is easily a big postive for USU and I think the Aggies will do just fine on the fields and courts...

USU Football and Basketball programs look entering the tougher competition in good shape. Utah entered the Pac-12 with its Basketball program at a 100 year low and has had the misfortune of a revolving door at Football's most important postion (QB).

Other than their first game vs. the Utes in SLC I will be one of the many Utah Alumni and fans wishing the Aggies success in the MWC.

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