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Published: Saturday, June 29 2013 11:55 a.m. MDT

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Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

Hopefully more ministers will realize this doesn't have to be a "win/lose" situation. Religion is always more powerful when people follow it willingly, rather than because the State Legislature says you have to.

Ranch
Here, UT

@morganh;

The "Book of Genesis" in the bible is fiction, start to finish.

@dtlenox;

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. You don't believe in Jesus? That's what he told you to do.

fredsgirl1
usa, MA

My problem with a lot of Christians is that won’t be happy until they force everyone to believe what they believe and be controlled to behave as they behave. That isn’t what the Constitution of United States of America is all about. They will have to come to understand that other people can choose to believe what makes sense to them and do what they think is right for their lives.

Not everyone in this country is Christian. In fact I would challenge that they are even the majority. I don’t want to change Christians and I implore them not to try and change me.

Abortion and gay marriage: no one is forcing them to do either thing. They must understand that they do not have any right at all to deny other people of the opportunity.

Mugabe
ACWORTH, GA

The scripture teach us that there are "save two churches only, the church of the Lamb of God and the church of the Devil." (1 Nephi 14)

In my opinion, any church that supports Same Sex marriages, is not part of the Church of the Lamb of God.

Really???
Kearns, UT

"It is not up to us mortals to decide if same sex marriage is the right thing to do. Those of us who believe that we have a creator that gave us direction in how to live a life that is acceptable."

Nice way to stereotype anyone who views this issue differently as being non-believers who lack faith!

"Marriage with a person of the same sex is not accepted in his plan. We of course now have the legal right, due to 5 people who think it is. Personally I believe differently. I will live my life as I believe we should. I have pity for those who choose otherwise. We will face our creator at some point with how we lived our lives. I will be glad that I didn't choose that path."

Perhaps those who believe differently will have lived a kinder, nobler life that you. What if they spent more time serving others and doing the best to bettering the lives of others? Will the God you believe in really condemn them to an eternity without Him? I guess we won't really know until judgment day, but I will let HIM be the judge.

Really???
Kearns, UT

Finally, to anyone who claims to know and love "gays" or "LGBT's" but don't think they deserve marriage rights, I would ask you to do something the next time you post or read a comment on here to replace that vague, generic reference with their actual names. Instead of saying, for example, that "the gays are just trying to advance their own selfish agenda for their own pleasure," say "Gary and Paul are just trying to advance... Do you really think that about your friends and neighbors? If so, I would ask you to do some soul searching and pray to be more empathetic to their stations in life.

ClarkHippo
Tooele, UT

What's next is, open season will be declared on religious people, whether it be in the work force, military, college campuses or public schools.

Gays know full well they can not legally force their way into churches, so they'll do the next best thing which is intimidation.

On Bill Moyer's PBS show, Tim DeChristopher recently stated that one should follow their conscience, even if it means disobeying the law. This will become the new credo for the LGBT community.

After all, do you really think the ACLU, HRC or Equality Utah will care if LDS, Catholic or Baptist people are harassed or mocked or intimidated?

Vince here
San Diego, CA

Mugabe

I couldn't disagree more.

It is the Church of Jesus Christ, not the Church of Prop 8 - so take the politics out of it and start living the gospel of love.

Scott Sherman
springville, UT

It is high time that all of you just learn to accept us gays.

Mainly Me
Werribee, 00

What's next? That's a no brainer. The Dear Leader will attempt to force religions who stand against immorality by "recommending" they perform homosexual marriages. When they refuse, the IRS will pull their tax exempt status since this would be violating the civil rights of the homosexual community.

PLM
Kaysville, UT

The great Creator of the universe and Father of mankind has been removed from American schools, rejected in the courts and now excluded from marriage. How long can our nation thrive after abandoning the source of our strength and inspiration? After all He has done for us? It breaks my heart and I am experiencing separation anxiety. It will be more imperative now to keep Him close to our hearts and love Him with fierce loyalty.

ClarkHippo
Tooele, UT

@fredsgirl1

You said, "My problem with a lot of Christians is that won’t be happy until they force everyone to believe what they believe and be controlled to behave as they behave. That isn’t what the Constitution of United States of America is all about."

The same argument can be made regarding the LGBT community.

You said, "They will have to come to understand that other people can choose to believe what makes sense to them and do what they think is right for their lives."

Fine, you leave us alone and we'll leave you alone. But we both know the LGBT community is just getting started.

You said, "I don’t want to change Christians and I implore them not to try and change me."

That may be true with you, but you're in the minority.

You said, "They must understand that they do not have any right at all to deny other people of the opportunity."

And yet, the LGBT has every right to butt their lifestyle into all facets of our society?

SLCWatch
Salt Lake City, UT

Father and Mother will no longer be used...it will now be Other. "Go talk to your other", or "Other, where did I come from?" How about "Your other, and I and some unknown donor love you and want you to know you are wanted and loved.". Future children will hear, "Someday you can grow up to be an other too" Next we will need "Others day" celebrations with "Other cards" "Other bouquets" and "Other day dinners".
Why we can get rid of Husband and wife too.
"I love my other so much." or "There has never been an other as sweet, thoughtful or caring as you..my dearest other!"
We can be politically correct and get rid of son and daughter too.
"That's a fine set of others you got there."
How about Grandothers and Grandothers.
Why religion could adopt "Other in Heaven". You could go to the church and say, "Other, I have a sin to confess"
Electricians could get confused. "NO, give me the other end."
Post office would have "Other Others".
Pretty soon we can throw all the dictionaries away because none of the words will have relavence to reality anymore.

Ranch
Here, UT

Keep your religion to yourselves. Live it as you were told to do so by your big J. Do that, and we'll get along just fine; it's when you try to force others to live by your religious tenets that we have a problem.

Ranch
Here, UT

ClarkHippo says:

"@fredsgirl1

You said, "My problem with a lot of Christians is that won’t be happy until they force everyone to believe what they believe and be controlled to behave as they behave. That isn’t what the Constitution of United States of America is all about."

The same argument can be made regarding the LGBT community. "

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Clark, guess what, nobody is going to make you "believe" anything; you're welcome to your beliefs. You're also welcome to understand that not everybody believes as you do and YOU should allow THEM to live their lives as THEY see fit. You should also understand, that just because someone does something you don't like, it won't kill you to accept that they do it. Time to grow up and smell the equality.

ClarkHippo
Tooele, UT

@Ranch

You said - "You're also welcome to understand that not everybody believes as you do and YOU should allow THEM to live their lives as THEY see fit."

And yet, it's the LGBT community that continues to push their agenda on everyone. The Supreme Court hands you what you want on a silver platter and it still isn't enough. Everyone knows the intimidation and fear-mongering from your side has only just started.

You say, "...smell the equality," But how can you say that? Equal rights mean equal responsibility. It means, equal punishment, equal taking of responsibility, equal respect. And LGBT's want none of that.

aislander
Anderson Island, WA

It's sad. So many people showing how small they are--how terrified of The Big Bad Gays. Why one would believe these paranoid misconceptions did baffle me. The dire "predictions" are truly laughable were it not a serious issue. They obviously must not actually KNOW any gays well; therefore they believe anything.

Unfortunately, previously most gay folks had to stay hidden because of fear of losing jobs, homes, families; that allowed people to have ridiculous misconceptions about gays. Many think we should still stay hidden to continue the status quo. Thankfully those days are almost over. That's why our poll numbers are rising dramatically.

As has been discussed, many faiths and denominations support gay marriage. Why do some think THEIR particular religious beliefs should dictate how civil law treats us...someone please answer that!

Contrary to what many think, we seek not your approval; you can hate us (and frankly I have more respect for those who admit it) all you want, but as tax-paying law-abiding United States citizens, we do demand your tolerance and equal treatment under the civil laws of our great free country.

Get to know us! You'll be surprised!

Rustymommy
Clovis, NM

Hey, drinking and smoking are legal but that doesn't mean the Mormon church can be forced to open a bar or allow smoking in their chapels.The court may say that gay marriage is legal, but can they force a church to perform gay marriages? Probably not. That would violate separation of church and state. Even if all states are forced to allow gay marriages, that doesn't mean that any minister can be forced to perform a ceremony against their own beliefs. If gays want to get married, they should have to go have it done by a church that supports gay marriage.Nobody is forced to belong to a certain church and no church can be forced to change their beliefs to suit the government. There has to be freedom both directions.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Religions should stay out of politics.They do not need to perform such marriages. Does religious freedom mean religions should control everyone not in their denomination?

Christian 24-7
Murray, UT

DN Subscriber 2 is absolutely right when he/she says:

Their ultimate goal is that which the left has been pursuing for a long time, "Freedom FROM religion" not "freedom OF religion."

And if you want to know why the left wants to do away with religion in America, compare 'party votes by state' map to a 'church attendance by state' map.

Highest church attending states vote almost exclusively Republican, and lowest church attending states vote almost exclusively democrat. States in the middle on church attendance split votes between the parties.

All the voter rights, marriage rights, abortion rights, spying rights, etc, are really about suppressing the religious vote and voice in America. Read the threads. Hate of religious people is everywhere.

So there is a war on religion, being waged by primarily by the DNC, to get control of the votes in more states. They have a lot of anti-religion bigoted red-necks on board too.

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