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Published: Friday, June 28 2013 1:00 p.m. MDT

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Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@Rockwell

How about you call us... when that back door NC gets your Cougs anything more than a place on the outside looking in on the modern era of college football.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

howie

Despite the jealous rants of the kids on the hill, BYU's National Championship is just as legitimate as any national championship ever awarded - a consensus of ALL FIVE major national organizations (including Utah's favorite, the AP Sportswriters) selected BYU as the major college football national champion for 1984.

You're just jealous that the best U could do in your best season ever was finish a distant 2nd in the AP poll and 4th in the Coaches poll (the official final poll for the bcs).

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

Howard,

Better yet. Why don't YOU call us when a publication lists Utah as a top 25 football dynasty. Oh, and that included the modern era of college football.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@Cougars1

Oh wow... A publication names BYU a dynasty... It must be true.

How proud you must be... as you wait for that phone call from the real power brokers of college football.

Oh, btw... no 1st tier "dynasty" celebrates a 2 for 1 scheduling agreement with USC.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Jealous?

You must be kidding... there is no Ute fan anywhere that covets a 28 year old 2nd tier trophy and the glory of mid major independence.

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

Howard,

Well known publication and Utah was nowhere to be found. Enjoy BCS obscurity.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Uteology

The Quest t-shirts were $5, not $20 and 99% of BYU fans will tell you that slogan was a mistake. Mendenhall would probably agree. Setting your sites on a national title is a good idea.

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Your sites were on a National Title? I must have been sleeping in 2008, remind me again when BYU was ever a national title game contender. Utah, TCU, or Boise have never been contenders, BCS busters yes, not title contenders.

BYU's sites were on a BCS game:

"BYU's quest for an undefeated season came to an unceremonious end Thursday night against TCU... and, almost certainly, their shot at a BCS bid... "It just hurts. The BCS, winning streak, when you get beat 30-something to seven, that stuff doesn't matter," BYU defensive lineman Jan Jorgensen said.

Regardless of the cost of the t-shirts the fact is BYU "Quested" for Utah's accomplishments while Utah did not "Quest" for anything BYU has done in the BCS era.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@Cougars1

You know very well that the dynasty referenced in the publication of which you speak is from 1979 to 1985.

It ended 27 years ago... As of today... No dynasty... only mid major Indy waiting for a call from a big boy conference.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

Uteology

So you're saying that Utah's goal for 2008 was to finish with multiple losses, so they missed their goal by finishing undefeated?

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We set goals like everyone else, just not on t-shirts.

Again, I can't be anymore clear:

Utah did not "Quest" for anything BYU has accomplished in the BCS era.

Your goal wasn't an undefeated season, since several undefeated mid-majors have not made a BCS game.

Let's not rewrite history, your goal was what Utah did: being the next BCS Buster.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

Marked it Down
Park City, UT

Uteology

You're obviously having a hard time understanding that the subject is where BYU's and Utah's bowl teams finished in the polls, NOT where their bowl opponents finished.

The main reason only 4 of Utah's 10 bowl winning teams (40%) managed to finish in the Top 25 is because the Utes simply weren't very good to begin with.

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Again, not all rankings are equal.

When playing a similar schedule... BCS ear Final AP Rankings:

BYU (5): #12 10-3, #25 10-3, #14 11-2, #16 11-2, #25 12-2
Utah (4): #18 10-3, #2 13-0, #4 12-0, #21 10-2

So BYU has TWO #25 rankings by losing to:
* 7-5 Arizona 2008
* #23 Louisville in 2001.

While 2010 #22 Utah finished #26 when losing to #10 Boise in Vegas.

Congrats, you were able to make a top #25 team and Utah #26 ONLY because more teams around Utah won than BYU.

The difference, we have two undefeated, top 4 teams.

poyman
Lincoln City, OR

@Uteology...

Urban Meyers is gone, your glory days are gone... He's on his 2nd school since leaving the flailing Utes... He knew your venue was small time... He didn't want to be trapped with a team that consistently finishes in the bottom fourth or third of it's conference...

Your obsession with the achievements that occured with his recruits is humorous... You guys won 2 BCS Bowls... Big Wow... One against the weakest team to play in a BCS Bowl that year and the other against a team that basically blew the bowl off after losing the SEC championship game to Florida...

Ask any college team coach or college fan, for that matter, that's not a Ute fan who they think is the "most storied college football program" in the state of Utah and the vast majority (well over 65%) will tell you that it is BYU, hands down... Then ask them what they would prefer to have in their trophy case... A National Championship that is 29 or 30 years old or a couple of BCS Bowl Trophies that are 5 and 10 years old... I guarantee you that they will opt for the National Championship!

poyman
Lincoln City, OR

@Howard, the publication was in 2010... So how did you come up with the deduction that it ended in 1985?... We beat Kansas State in the Cotton Bowl in the 1996 season (going 14-1 only losing to the U of W in Seattle... a team that you have never beaten)... In 2001 we were undefeated until our Doak Walker winner (Luke Staley) went out with an injury with only 2 games to go in the season... In the past decade we have had four seasons at 11-2 ( your team was one of those 11 in3 of the 4 seasons.

@utiology, I have never heard of someone beating their chest over an honorable mention finish before (was that #26 rating you talked about a BCS finish?) Because Historians only care about the USA Coaches Poll and the AP poll... And history shows, y'all didn't make the top 25... sorry, but it is what it is...

The DN needs to put a word limit or a comment limit on the number of words people can write on a given article or a thread... Anyway you slice it, you U-trolls are way over your limit...

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Uteology

"Regardless of the cost of the t-shirts the fact is BYU "Quested" for Utah's accomplishments while Utah did not "Quest" for anything BYU has done in the BCS era."

Thanks for ignoring everything I said (the hallmark of a true troll). Nope, we didn't "Quest" for a #2/4 ranking and invite to BCS bowl. Mendenhall has always been clear that "perfection" (as in "quest for perfection") was another national title. Like I said earlier, printing it on a t-shirt was a mistake and you're delusional if you think any BYU fan felt we were in a position to compete for a national title after having lost a game... the "quest" was and is quite simply Mendenhall's goal for the program. A goal which he has repeatedly indicated would likely take two or three stellar seasons in a row to achieve (similar to what happened 1979-1985). This is what BYU fans have and currently want for the program--I challenge you to find any evidence that suggests otherwise.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@poyman

Which would they choose between mid major Indy and a PAC 12 invitation?

2BCSWINS
West of I15, UT

@Marked it down...."Utah barely beating an even more mediocre PAC 10 also ran like USC(6-6) obviously didn't impress anybody except Utah fans."

Yet a win over a 6-6 less than mediocre Michigan team highly impresses you?...LOL!

@Poyman

What you have made clear on this thread is how jealous you are of Utah. Anybody that thinks they need to throw out that much spin has some jealousy issues. I just have one question for you why the last 41 years? I don't understand if your going to go back 41 years 4 decades why not just list the entire history head to head record? It wouldn't be becasue your searching for just when the Y was better would it?

@Solomon Levi....One question for you to my friend. I've asked this before but didn't get response from you. Why do you list top 25 and top 15 ranking for bronco vs. whit but stop at 15? I could understand just listing top 25 but if your going to go down to 15 why not go all the way down to top 10 or 5? It wouldnt be becasue bronco has 0 would it?

poyman
Lincoln City, OR

@twomeaslybcswins

The reason that the past 41 years were used is because 1972 is when Lavelle Edwards took over the Program... BYU had a couple seasons of success before then but that is when BYU began to get serios about Football... I received my bachelors in 74 and I can assure you, BYU treated FB before that time like the Utes treat Basketball today... If you want to say that your program was better than ours before then, it probably was... But since then, Utah has take a seat towards the back of the bus when comparing the two programs.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@poyman

Which Urban recruits were on the 2008 team?

"You guys won 2 BCS Bowls... Big Wow... One against the weakest team to play in a BCS Bowl that year and the other against a team that basically blew the bowl off after losing the SEC championship game to Florida..."

Bama blew off the Sugar Bowl game as much as 2009 Oregon State blew off the Vegas bowl after losing the Rose Bowl to Oregon. You are aware that Oregon State was your toughest bowl opponent since 1996?

I love how BYU fans make excuses for Bama, more so then their own fans.

* Bama in 2008 was playing in its FIRST major bowl game since 1999 (Orange Bowl)
* Bama hadn't won a major bowl game since 1992 (Sugar Bowl)

Yet they weren't motivated?

* Bama was playing in it's own back yard, SEC country
* Bama was motivated enough to smack talk about being 12-0 in a "real" conference

If they weren't motivated in 2008 they need to thank Utah because after we spanked them, they started getting motivated and winning championships.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Wiscougarfan: "Thanks for ignoring everything I said (the hallmark of a true troll)"

That's because everything you said was wrong.

"Nope, we didn't "Quest" for a #2/4 ranking and invite to BCS bowl. Mendenhall has always been clear that "perfection" (as in "quest for perfection") was another national title."

The annual pre-season national title quests, hallmark of Cougar Nation.

You weren't questing for a title because you were never going to get it. BYU fan's knew it, Bronco knew it, his team knew it. Why? Because of this:

BCS denies Cougars; BYU headed to Liberty
Dec 4, 2011

Here's your evidence that suggests otherwise:

It was "Quest for Perfection" not "Quest for Perfections". Singular not Plural.

Two to three stellar seasons in a row like:

2008 11-2 #7
2009 12-1 #6
2010 13-0 #2

TCU was denied a BCS title game in 2013 despite going being a top 10 team 3 straight years.

Yet BYU fans were skipping BCS berths and wins and "questing" straight to a national title game. That's just priceless.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Howie:
"Which would they choose between mid major Indy and a PAC 12 invitation?"

I'll answer that question. I would choose independence again over being in the PAC 12. BYU gets more exposure than Utah. BYU has more freedom and isn't told what to do and how to schedule by a conference. BYU doesn't have to wallow in mediocrity playing elite programs in a conference way over their heads. BYU can schedule how they want and travel to venues and new places all over the country. BYU already has great facilities and amenities, and unlike Utah isn't in the red on budget (so money isn't an issue).

Trust me on this Howie. 6-7 yrs from now when Utah has been to 1, maybe 2 bottom tier bowls, had 5-6 losing seasons and the honeymoon with the PAC12 has ended while licking your wounds from the beatings U take, independence will look pretty good. And in honesty and fairness, BYU would be in the same boat as U if they were in the Big 12. It's reality, and after the newness has worn off those beatings are going to test ute fans' loyalty.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

BYU looks to apply lessons learned from its ‘Quest for Perfection’
By Ryan Greene

Consider it a slogan that was maybe misconstrued a tad.

Either way, BYU set out last season on a "Quest for Perfection" — a saying found on numerous T-shirts and whatnots throughout the greater Provo area. What it came up with was a disappointing 10-3 finish.

Of course, 10-3 is nothing to scoff at for most college football programs, but the Cougars reached for more. And though they wouldn't say it before the season began, they had dreams of filling the shoes ultimately worn by Utah as a BCS buster.

"I think a lot of people outside of the program saw the 'Quest for Perfection' motto and took it definitely out of context," Cougar defensive back Andrew Rich. That whole thing was that we were definitely going to try to play as best as we could every Saturday. Not necessarily a perfect season as far as wins and losses go."

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@Wiscougarfan

Now I'm confused. You just said it was for a national title. But Rich said "Quest for Perfection" is "play as best as we could every Saturday".

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