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Published: Friday, June 28 2013 10:05 a.m. MDT

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No One Special
Ogden, UT

What makes a religion deserve such respect from the government? Furthermore, if I suddenly experience an awakening and I am called of god to establish his church on earth, will the government give my church tax exempt status? Special exemptions? I think many of us business owners are missing the boat on this loop hole.

Bob K
porland, OR

THERE ARE 3 ISSUES HERE:

1-- complete lack of respect for poor working women

2-- willingness to stick society with the cost of unwanted children who use health care, education, and even the courts and prisons

3-- a supreme arrogance in bringing one's religion into a business open to the public and expecting people who need a job to sacrifice common rights in order to work.

JESUS DID NOT TWIST RELUCTANT PEOPLE'S ARMS and, in my view, would look at the world of today and understand fully why women should no longer be brood mares.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Bob,
you now speak for Jesus?

women are incapable of obtaining contraceptives on their own?

women are incapable of saying "no"?

DSB
Cedar Hills, UT

More questions for Bob.

People are forced to work at Hobby Lobby?

Christian bookstores are obligated to facilitate abortions?

Hobby Lobby and Christian bookstores should be obligated by law to encourage the killing of unwanted babies?

Abortafacients are a "common right?"

To No One Special - the First Amendment obligates the government to give special deferment, or respect, to religions. You (and Obama) might want to read the part where government is prohibited from restricting the free exercise of religion - it's pretty clear. However, the Constitution doesn't require the government to give churches tax-free status. That's just a privilege historically allowed under the law. So yes, if you wanted to start a legitimate church, it would be eligible for tax-free status, until the government decides they want to take that privilege away. Yes - privilege. Unlike Bob, I understand the difference between rights and privileges. And, based on First Amendment protections, you should always have the constitutional right to avoid practices that violate sacred beliefs pertaining to life and death. Again, based on the Constitution that's a right, not a mere privilege. It would be helpful if people understood the difference.

Nan BW
ELder, CO

DSB, thank you for saying what needed to be said! I am grateful that this ruling has been handed down.

Bob K
porland, OR

OH, GOODNESS!

Someone really asked me if women are incapable of getting contraceptives on their own, even though I mentioned that low-wage women are known to spend on something their kids need and skimp on things for themselves

Someone really asked me if women are incapable of saying "No". Is it not a tenet of many religions that a wife cannot refuse her husband?

Someone really addressed me as if I were stupid not to agree than contraception is abortion, and that there is no difference between keeping an embryo from implanting and killing a live child. If you want to know my position, it is that contraception helps society greatly, and that abortions are sad, but sometimes the best choice.

Arrogance toward poor people and women and children is not a sign of a person I would call a Christian

DSB
Cedar Hills, UT

Bob, you might want to inform yourself about Hobby Lobby's objection. It was primarily the requirement to provide health insurance that offers the type of contraception that would be used as post-fertilization abortafacients. There is no indication whether they would have taken up their suit over simple pre-fertilization contraceptives.

Personally I'm not opposed to contraceptives, and if I'm honest I'm somewhat ambivalent toward the type of drug that may prevent a fertilized egg from implantation - it's so early that I wonder whether it counts yet. Still, for me it's a safer eternal bet to err on the side of life.

But, I think it's highly arrogant to tell others they aren't allowed to draw that line of life and morality at conception, or even at simple contraception if they feel that strongly about it, and force them to sanction it, even indirectly, against their conscience. If I'm going to jump into the self-righteous, sanctimonious pool with you, maybe I wouldn't call a person of such arrogance and moral oppression a Christian.

Counter Intelligence
Salt Lake City, UT

bob

Your post indicate precisely why I side with hobby lobby

Stenar
Salt Lake City, UT

Oh, good. Now I know not to shop at Hobby Lobby ever again.

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