JPL - There are 3.0 billion who would flee violence and risk arrest. We just
can't accomodate the whole world. Lots of charities that you can donate to
to help aliviate the situation. We do bring in 1.8 million per year on legal
visas who have been waiting, on average, 12 years to legally immigrate. I have
seen them standing in line at our embassies in many countries of the world.
They are the real immigrants. I have compassion for them, none for the illegal
migrants who jump the line.
@LambertI beg to differ with your portrayal of illegal aliens as refugees.
The narrative persists, despite the data.Something like 57% of illegal
aliens are from Mexico. And they are overwhelmingly from sleepy, rural areas of
Guanajuato, Jalisco, Michoacan, San Luis Potosi and Zacatecas. These are not
the areas of Mexico governed by drug lords.The reason they are here is NOT
to escape violence; they are here for the money. They can make $50 a day here.
Their cousins in Mexico make $50 a month.Let's not paint them as
martyrs. They are here for the money and our endless stupidity to give them
I am saddened by the heartlessness of many of these comments. Many people have
come here fleeing real violence, and they much rather would risk arrest here
than being killed where they came from. The lack of compassion is quite
sickening, and to degree you get to decide who belongs is disturbing. All
children born in the US are citizens.
To pass this bill in the house organizations like this will have to show that
they have significant presence in some districts. The key will be showing voters
who agree with GOP representatives and would vote for them, but might change
their mind if they fail to pass this. I am not sure this will be easy, but it
needs to be done.
NO DUAL CITIZENSHIP! As a precondition to gaining U.S. citizenship all
applicants, that's ALL APPLICANTS, must first renounce their previous
national status prior to being sworn in as U.S. citizens.
This may possibly be the first time (at least in my memory)when the U.S. Senate
has worked AGAINST the American people, and totally FOR illegal alien
trespassers.Most of us have known for quite some time how totally
dysfunctional the Senate is. This proves it..They have followed the
wishes of their business lobbyist friends (including the high-tech companies)and
put LEGAL U.S. citizens interests on a "back burner".
This bill passed the Senate due to the massive amount of "pork" that was
promised to get Senators who opposed it to vote for it. Harry Reid even got a
measly $100 million for Las Vegas that has nothing to do with immigration.
Let's hope that those in the House reject this bill.
"Latinos in Utah find hope as immigration reform bill passes Senate"People who understand freedom are dismayed.
@techpubs In addition they have those anchor babies in hopes that that will
prevent them from being deported. I bet that if they get citizenship they will
not give up their previous citizenship. They do not give a twit about being U.S.
citizens they just want status. Remember a couple of years ago they were waving
the mexican flag and defileing the American Flag. That will remain the case.
Their allegiance will always be to Mexico.
Senator Hatch made a big mistake in this bill by attaching the massive increases
to the H-1B visa which is normally used by tech companies in hiring. As such,
millions of US tech workers are forced to urge their representatives to oppose
this bill. The H-1B visa deserves its own bill, and has nothing to do with
amnesty, or a path to legalization, or whatever, for the millions of
undocumented immigrants. The proposal to increase the H-1B visa is simply
pandering to the cheap-labor lobby of CEOs and sends a message to the American
public that this bill is NOT about doing what is right for Americans and
undocumented immigrants, but is all about pandering to cheap-labor lobbyists.
Their children are citizens because they were born here. This tells me one
of 2 different things:1. They had these children when they were under the
age of 16 and were unaware that they were here without Gov't Permission.
Or.2. They knew that they could be caught and deported but ignored our
laws and had children that they could be separated from.Neither scenario
shows any willingness to get legal permission just like many others have done
before them and continue to do.They want Gov't Permission without
having to pay the penalty for breaking the Immigration Laws.
"...Latinos in Utah find hope...".This bill has absolutely
NO CHANCE of EVER being brought before the House.
If you want to be legal, then go home and apply for a legal visa! You are not a
victim. You are an illegal who sneaked into the U.S. You should be in fear of
arrest, but our police chief and the federal government refuse to enforce the
law. If I tried in Mexico what you are doing here, there would be no tolerance.
I would be in jail or immediately deported.....after paying a fine (bribe).
Here is a simple bit of advice for all the folks here illegally, and hoping and
praying for something that "...will give them a way to become legal
citizens."There already is a way to become legal citizens. It
is called legal immigration. Millions of people do it, so it is not a
mystery.What we have is a large number of people who simply want
something but do not want to be bothered to obey the laws, or do the hard work,
or wait the required to achieve that goal.Some want to be rich, so
they rob banks, which is breaking the law.Others want to live in the
U.S. and become citizens, so the ignore the laws, cross the border illegally,
have children here and then demand that they be given amnesty and citizenship.
Failure to enforce our laws, and repeated amnesty programs is
destroying the very core concept of "the rule of law" and make
previously law abiding citizens wonder why they should comply with all the other
laws. Legal immigrants are already welcome, but illegal immigration
must be stopped and punished, never rewarded!
Want to keep your family together?Great.We want your
family to stay together too.Go be law abiding citizens where you
belong, in the country where you are legal
Clarification to my previous post. The CBO projected that the
passage of S.744 would result in a deficit reduction by $197 billion in ten
years. This would be achieved because the Social Security and Medicare
"trust funds" are raided to pay the costs, which would bankrupt these
programs in the future — shame on the CBO for failing to acknowledge this
important fact. If only general funds were used to fund the new costs, as under
law should be the case, the CBO projects a deficit of $14.2 billion.It's really not helping the economy, it's raiding social
We hope that we will not be held accountable for violating the laws of the
U.S.We also hope that in not being held accountable we will be rewarded with
citizenship so we can enjoy all the perks available.
We have the highest unemployment ever in the US, with around 15% of the
workforce out of work, and the solution is to bring even more immigrants into
the US to compete for even fewer jobs, especially the remaining few good high
tech jobs? If this does not confirm how out of touch the Senate and
government in general is to their constituents, then I don't know what
will. They have always done the bidding of the 1%, against the interest of the
99% they are supposed to represent.
Wow, the Deseret News has 44 photos of this group. They don't have 44
photos of General Conference.I bet I can guess the editorial position of
this newspaper.So, where are the immigration police? They are under
orders NOT to deport people unless they have committed and been convicted of
violent felonies.And where did that directive come from? From an
administration that is ignoring the laws of the United States. Gone are the
worksite raids. Gone are the No Match letters.So, what's the point
of marching when politicians, preachers and police chiefs have already got your
back?It is disgusting what our country has become. Does Congress think we
If this becomes law it will be awesome because all of the holier-than-thou
people saying these people are "breaking the law" won't be able to
say it any more. Hahahaha.
The problem with our laws is the lack of enforcement. This bill does nothing to
change this. The bill requires a plan for border and interior enforcement, but
nothing for it's implimentation. The CBO projected that the
passage of S.744 would result in a deficit reduction by $197 billion in ten
years. This would be achieved if the Social Security and Medicare "trust
funds" were raided, which would bankrupt these programs in the future
— shame on the CBO for failing to acknowledge this important fact. If only
general funds were used to fund the new costs, as under law should be the case,
the CBO projects a deficit of $14.2 billion.It would be difficult to
write a bill worse than this.
If I lived in fear of arrest every day of my life, I wouldn't pray and
sing. I would start obeying the law. Problem solved.