@ Howie,"...BYU successes all come against mid-major
competition... so BYU remains on the outside looking in on big boy football.No real conference really cares about BYU and its
"success"."Are you serious dude? BYU's
achievements were earned at the same time you were in the same conference. If
the tables were turned and you were the one with the awards and trophies, would
you still thumb your nose at those and disregard them because you earned them
against mid major competition as you like to call them now? I doubt it very
highly. And because you couldn't do it when you competed in the same
conference, you're trying your very best to mock, belittle, and demean BYU
for those accomplishments. Glad you're now in the conference of champions.
Now please do something to earn your place in it.Go Davies! Wish
you much success whether in the NBA or in Europe!!!
It's no wonder Chris would rather talk about past glory when it comes to
Ute basketball: For the last 7-8 years, the Ute program has been in a
free-fall.They can't beat their biggest rival, they are stuck
in the PAC-12 basement, and they haven't sniffed a post-season tournament
since 2009. They even stopped scheduling Weber State and Utah State because
they didn't want to get embarrassed by "lesser" teams (Weber State
won 80-51 in 2011). Still didn't help their record.We hear a
lot of smack about BYU's 3-5 record against the Utes during the Bronco era,
but not much about Dave Rose's 12-3 record against Huntsman Junior High
during that same time. Using the ChrisB/NavalVet/HoweirdS line of reasoning
when it comes to comparing the two football programs, the BYU-Utah record in
basketball is a clear sign that Utah's glory days are forever over, and BYU
is the program on the rise to national prominence.
Howard S,SC, Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma, ND, Ohio
State and a long list of other teams play a "steady diet of 1st tier
competition" and manage winning records. On the other hand u play that the
same schedule and show up weak in and weak out.Chris B...rarely
makes fun of Utah State "because they know their place." Really Chris?
Though I had wished I would have been wrong I am not surprised at this outcome.
When Brandon played well it was great and when he didn't BYU lost some
critical games.His inconsistent play absolutely frustrated me and
several others.Maybe Europe is the answer, I don't know, but I
wish him all the best in the world as he considers the options ahead of him.
Chris B"[W]e're making fun of the fans who believe their teams
are good programs!"I have to agree with Chris B on this one.
It's the same ol'e song and dance every year when it comes to byu.
The local media has been getting byu fans hyped up for weeks on Davies only to
see him flame out. It's fun to watch.I wish Davies the very
best. He seems like a great kid and frankly, I expect to seem him become a
solid player in the NBA. Unlike Fredette, Davies is never selfish with the ball
and does not consider himself bigger than his team. He will go far in
basketball and in life.
rphArlington, VA@Chris B, a down year? It's starting to
look like a down decade, dude. What have you done for me lately?---------True, but we still made ONE sweet 16 (same as BYU) and
had #1 draft pick who is still playing as NBA starter. And that's what BYU
defines as success?Jimmer still has a chance to prove himself, but I
don't think Davis was an NBA type player.
Chris BUtah basketball is nothing but a washed-up has been; a dusty
relic of a by-gone era.During the Dave Rose era:BYU
209-66(76%), 6 NCAAs, 2 NITs, 8 20+ win seasons, 4 conf championships, consensus
POYUtah 116-137(46%), 1 NCAA, 6 losing seasons, 1 conf championshipBYU is 4-6 in the NCAA, 3-2 in the NITUtah is 0-1 in the NCAAThe Utes haven't even sniffed an NCAA win since the last remnants
of the Majerus era left Utah.oh, and in that all-important
head-to-head comparison that Utah fans claim as unequivocal "proof" of
Utah's recent domination in footballBYU 7 in a row, 11 of the
last 12, 149-145 overallThe Utes haven't beaten the Cougars
since an OT win in the HC on Jan 27, 2009.---------As
far as Brandon is concerned; it's sometimes better to be a free agent than
to be drafted in the 2nd round. He's already signed with the Clippers to
play in the Summer League.
Howie:And all the cobwebs in Utah's trophy cases were formed while U
played midmajor competition as well.
@stuffo"You don't belong there either. Never did."The Pac 12 disagrees with you.We(The Pac 12) also disagree
that byu SHOULD be in a prestigious league.LOL!
Looks like he'll be playing with the Clippers in the summer league.
Regardless of what happens with the NBA, he'll have a career playing
basketball, which is cool. Good luck Brandon.
Howard sWow, so now that you're in "big boy football"
you're making excuses on why the u does so poorly?wouldn't
that be the exact proof one needs to show that u shouldn't be there?With your success in the PAC 11+u the results speak for themselves. You
don't belong there either. Never did.
I said it all along, Davies will not get drafted and has no future in the NBA. I
hate to be so blunt, but he is too dumb to play in the NBA...and he can't
shoot. Anybody who gets into early foul trouble every single game...and
can't shoot, will never make it in the NBA. But I wish him well, he can
probably make a living playing in Europe.
Howard SYour PAC-thetic Utes have only had 5 final poll rankings in
its entire history, no national championship, little or no national awards or
hall-of-famers.Even your much boasted about #2 place finish was not
consensus (AP #2, Coaches #4). Your trophy case, excepting a couple of trophies,
is filled with dust.Once again, the Utes have proven to be at best a
mid-major in the overall sports performance.Remind, us please, is it
BYU or Utah that has won the director's cup for the last 20 years or so?
@CougsndawgsBYU success?BYU successes all come against
mid-major competition... so BYU remains on the outside looking in on big boy
football.No real conference really cares about BYU and its
At times Brandon played like a first rounder and then sometimes disappeared.On the whole, I enjoyed his basketball career as well as his growth in other
Wookie:Classy comments as usual. Cheers my friend.
almost forgot what the article was about as i read through all the off topic
comments above. Success to Brandon.
Chris B:"A great team is a team in serious contention for a national
championship". At it's peak BYU won a national
championship. At it's peak Utah didn't.BYU has GREAT
teams (see All Americans, Heisman Trophies, Doak Walkers, Davey Obriens,
Naismith POY, national championships, 23 conference championships, top 25
finishes, legacy dynasties....)Utah had 2 good teams (2 BCS games, but
they look real nice in a bridesmaid dress lol).BYU is above Utah in
any relevant historical discussion, but your delusional insistence otherwise is
certainly entertaining.P.S. stop saying "we're" above you,
and "we" did this or that. YOU did nothing and were no part of it.Howie:"Even though BYU has proven themselves to be Mid-major
monsters (winning an impressive 80%)"While Utah has proven
themselves to be midmajor pee wees playing the same schedule through the years
with nothing even remotely close to BYUs successes. 2 WAC championships? Must be
embarrassing to have so little success regardless of your SOS.
Agree with Wookie. Brandon had a great career at the Y and hopefully he can get
a chance to have some success at the next level. No reason to root against him
now that he doesn't play the Utes.
Brandon did his whole career the right way. Proud of him and wish him success no
matter where he ends up.GO UTES!!
@MacNastyOf course BYU would do much better against PAC12
competition on week in week out basis...Even though BYU has proven
themselves to be Mid-major monsters (winning an impressive 80%).... but BCS
busts with a lackluster 46% record.Play a BCS schedule week in and
week out before mocking another teams record against a steady diet of 1st tier
Chris B and Howard SI was greatly amused at your comments, in fact
most of us LOL. Your PAC-thetic Utes are near or at the bottom in overall sports
and yet you are so delusional you post as if your PAC-thetics are at the top.Reality is the Utes have done nothing in the PAC and will do nothing in
the PAC for the foreseeable future. The PAC-thetic Utes are so far at the bottom
one would need a backhoe to dig them out of the basement.Say hi to
the wizard the next time you see him, which I surmise from your comments, is on
a rather regular basis.
@Max,We're bashing not the young men, we're making fun of
the fans who believe their teams are good programs!LOL.I
rarely make fun of Utah State because they know their place. They have decent
teams in both football and basketball and ocassionally a good team. Never a
great team. A great team is a team in serious contention for a national
championship.At its peak, byu has good teamsAt its peak, usu
has good teamsAt its peak, Utah has GREAT teams(see final fours, BCS
Games, undefeated seasons,...)Try having an attitude more like
Aggies, since you're just like them.We're above you.The sooner you learn it the better.
@Max-was-rightYeah... because Cougar Nation would never dream of
bashing Ute players for their hard work and dreams.
Wow, you guys are hilarious. Everybody understands how awesome the Utes were in
the 1990s. But to talk trash about that now, I mean, come on, really? Your
team stinks, and has, for several years. Call us when you can win a few more
How pathetic are these ute fans and their desperate need to bash these young men
for their hard work and dreams, simply to make their pathetic adult life seem
@rphLately?As one considers the legacy of BYU b-ball the
question may be asked.... what have you done for me.... ever?One
elite eight... ever.... phhhhht.
@rph,yes, a down decade agreed.Congratulations on your
best decade ever, which you've just left.It ended with a single
sweet 16 trip!And the player of the year riding the benchLOLHow embarrassing.We all have down years/decades.The difference is how high you get on your good years/decades.Utah? Final foursbyu Sweet 16 - once.LOL!
@Chris B, a down year? It's starting to look like a down decade, dude.
What have you done for me lately?
Hey why did Sacrament draft a shooting guard in the first round?!Don't they know the best player to play at byu in 30 years is there, and
HE'S a shooting guard?@rph,silly question. Every
program has down years. Let's look at our programs the past 20, 30
years.Height of byu's program?A single sweet 16
appearance.Best player in 30 years at byu couldn't even get an
overall winning record in the dance!Utah?Many sweet 16
appearances, title game appearance, several NBA players who actually played for
Maybe Davies and Jimmer can go and dominate the all European mission league.
Good point Chris B. How many Utes were drafted this year?
LOLKnew it.WCC players aren't in too high of demand
7 players drafted from the PAC-12, 4 from the MWC, 1 from the WCC and 1 from the
Bummer, had really hoped he'd go late. Good luck as a free agent.
He'll probably make a decent career playing ball in Europe.Good