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Published: Thursday, June 27 2013 6:45 p.m. MDT

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John Charity Spring
Back Home in Davis County, UT

The usual group of left wing liberals is yet again trying to impose its brand of thought on the rest of society. Indeed, it well stop at nothing until it has destroyed traditional notions of morality.

The left wing has failed at changing the law through regular democratic channels, so it now seeks to do so through coercion and intimidation, just as in California.

This is an issue for the voters, not judicial activists. We cannot allow the left to impose its brand of morally bankrupt anarchy.

Opine
slc, UT

Although Utah must often walk through pools of mud, I am grateful we have progression in other states to guide us through the mirky pools with amendments to end the prejudicial views. Just as many could never accept marriage between races, so will many never see a world where one can choose to freely become a citizen of any country on earth.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

This is a very biased article that is full of the language of only one side and totally ignores the other side of the issue.

Man/women marriage keeps the purpose of marriage focused on creating an institution that will make it most likely to have children raised by their biological parents. The key is a form of child rearing, not a reality in practice. The definition of marriage is about large forms that achieve this.

The pressing of this issue by a business executive also shows that this is an elietist attempt to destroy the traditional definition of marriage rooted in commitment and community.

TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

In utah, marriage is a state issue........and the state has spoken! No judicial activists will ever change that here......

DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

Legal does not mean the same as right, or beneficial.

The left is progressively tearing down every bit of the moral, cultural and economic bases that made this country great. They win, but the country and our children lose.

Congratulations on your legal victory, but your joy at actions that destroy my country offend me.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

@John Charity Spring:
"The usual group of left wing liberals is yet again trying to impose its brand of thought on the rest of society. Indeed, it well stop at nothing until it has destroyed traditional notions of morality."

I don't see anything left wing or liberal about this at all. Strengthening marriage rather than redefining it sends a message that discourages out of wedlock births and that men should be responsible for their reproductive actions. Traditional marriage is a powerful tool to fight poverty.

The liberals and progressives are those trying to strengthen marriage not dilute it. Now, some of those on the side of traditional marriage will characterize themselves as 'conservative', but this is a liberal issue also.

We have to stop thinking of politics as a bipolar entity, right and left, red and blue.

22ksb
Holladay, UT

So who is responsible for protecting minorities?
As Thomas Jefferson once said, "All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression."

christoph
Brigham City, UT

I don't believe Mr. Bryne has ever believed in marriage for himself and he is welcome to return to New Hampshire; nobody forces him to live here. Thank-you Al Gore and John Kerry, the last of the Democrats to have never endorsed same gender marriage. There is still a few sane people in the media. Memo to those who live by the law suit, life has never been even-steven since the beginning of time.

calcu_lus
tucson, az

It's interesting that liberals lock into "equality for equalities sake" but have a hard time thinking that "different things should be treated differently." Being a male or female is outdated to liberals. To stop the confusion, every liberal should be named Pat.

Gay marriage is not the enlargement of an institution, it is the destruction of an honored one.

BroJoseph
Ogden, UT

Five of the nine US Supreme Court Justices were oppointed by Conservative Christians (Republicans)Presidents. Roberts ,Scalia,Kennedy,Thomas Alito. Appointed by GH Bush,Ronald Reagan and GW Bush Jr. We have no one to blame but ourselves. We point the finger at "liberals"; when we voted in the leaders who nominated the Justices to determine our laws, and they have found favor towards "same sex marriage". When will we ever learn that political parties will rarely favor, God given law.

no fit in SG
St.George, Utah

Anxious to hear from you!
As soon as those who appear so terribly frightened of change, have found something tangible to present to America, incidents they can document and publish that have "destroyed" their family... Please do not delay in immediately calling a press conference for all media outlets.
Until then, beware of those maddening headaches caused from those make believe terrors taking over inside your head.

Wilf 55
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Let's hope the LDS Church will quickly realize how much good it would do for its own long-term future to support this change in the law. See how the "1978" decision came two decades too late and is now haunting the church. Not fighting against this marital change because it is a purely civil matter, and which does not affect religious freedom nor traditional marriage, would be a wise step for the Church.

UtefromAZ
Phoenix, AZ

If you don't like the laws in Utah, then don't go to Utah. Simple as that!

And also, you just can't get married and get benefits in Utah.

However, no one is stopping you from expressing your love for your partner. So quit trying to make this sound so horrible.

Wilf 55
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

One more thought. Around the world Utah is known as the "Mormon State". The international media report on what the Mormon Church does and tie it to Utah politics and events. A major positive effect for the church's image came from "Mormon building bridges", when Mormons marched for equality. Another positive effect came from the Church supporting the BSA decision to allow gay scouts. But in most cases negative reporting on Mormonism prevails and is detrimental to the church's worldwide image and to missionary work. The church's racial policies of the past are still haunting media reports on Mormonism today. We know now the church was on the wrong side of history. As scores of countries around the world have accepted same-gender marriage (and all civilized nations will soon), the Church will find itself again on the wrong side of history. And totally unnecessary because same-gender marriage is a civil matter that does not affect the church's internal policies nor traditional marriage.

CP
Tooele, UT

After reading this and other articles it just seems to me that the gay and lesbien group will never be satisfied. They want to change the Boy Scouts, and marriage. Face it they will never be satisfied until they take over the United States..actually now it seems to be more the Disunited States. The state of Utah came to be when LDS Pioneers came to establish a place where they can worship God and obey His laws..I pray that the government of this state will not forget that!

MConners12
Topsham, ME

Look through the eyes of the children. We blundered big time with no-fault divorce. Artificial reproductive technology is being abused. And those two social experiments do not hold a candle to the social experiment of radically redefining the institution of man woman marriage. Children lose. Children always lose. There is no way around the fact that those states that have legalized same-sex marriage also by law decide that children do not need, do not have a right to their natural parents so far as it is humanly possible and in the best interest of the child. No right to both a mother and a father. We either move towards the ideal for children or away from it.

Paul H
West Valley, UT

"Inherent discrimination."

Apparently Utah must recognize anything that is legal in other states. We can gamble in West Wendover, NV, but when we cross a state line we can't. Does this principle work both ways? How about with gun laws. Should the whole country be forced to recognize Utah's gun permits?
Are these also examples of inherent discrimination?

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

It's really as simple as this - states may not pass laws, including amendments to their state constitutions, that violate the constitution of the United States.

It was Justice Scalia himself who, in his ranting dissent, observed that if DOMA is found to be unconstitutional that state equivalents to DOMA would similarly be found to be unconstitutional. Which they are.

Utah's Amendment 3 will be challenged in court and it will be found to be unconstitutional.

The majority cannot vote away the rights of the minority.

Jared
Average, SE

Tekakaromatagi: "The liberals and progressives are those trying to strengthen marriage not dilute it."

Nothing could be farther from the truth. So if liberals are all about strengthening marriage, are they going to fight to end no fault divorces? Are they going to stop trying to redefine marriage as something other than between man and woman? Redefining marriage is not strengthening it, it is changing it. If you allow same-sex couples to marry, you allow them to divorce. This means divorce rates can only increase. Are they going to fight for policies that encourage complete fidelity to spouse? Are they going to push for more church participation (those who regularly go to church have lower divorce rates)? I could go on and on but much of what liberals and progressives do is not meant to strengthen marriage. In fact, many want to do away with the institution completely.

amazondoc
USA, TN

@Christoph --

"Thank-you Al Gore and John Kerry, the last of the Democrats to have never endorsed same gender marriage."

Guess again.

Al Gore 2008: "'I think that gay men and women ought to have the same rights as heterosexual men and women, to make contracts, to have hospital visiting rights, to join together in marriage,' Gore said. 'And I don't understand why it is considered by some people to be a threat to heterosexual marriage to allow it by gays and lesbians. Shouldn't we be promoting that kind of faithfulness and loyalty to one's partner regardless of sexual orientation?'"

John Kerry 2011: "Many of us who once believed civil unions were sufficient to protect legal rights because we thought of marriage as a religious sacrament between a man and a woman, have seen that no church has been forced to do anything that contradicts its teachings. But when two committed people apply for a Massachusetts marriage license, they are equal whether they are gay or straight. It’s not about a word - it’s about equality under the law."

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