Ok voters in Utah country can any one tell me something positive Senator Lee has
done since he has been in office?
I hope the Senate can find a way to compromise. If one side gives in completely
to the demands of the other side without demanding something in return,
it's not really a compromise is it?
I wish the DN would give us a better rundown of the bills provisions. I checked
them out elsewhere. The changes in the family immigration rules seem fairly
innocuous. The end of sibling sponsorship, and no sponsoring of married children
over age 31 make sense I guess. I wish they had ended different treatment of
married and unmarried children.I am glad they got rid of the
diversity visas, which were instituted to increase immigration from Ireland.
Apparently they have no ended entirely the by-country caps, which they really
should do. We should stop paying any attention to what countries immigrants are
coming from and create a system where in theory 100% of admitted immigrants all
came from Mexico. Reality would make it so that would not be the case.There are provisions designed to discorage use of high tech visas to train and
then export workers. So I think some of the complaints against those are not
founded on the reality of the bill.
The claims that this is "instant amnesty" are ludicrous. Most
undocumented immigrants will not get fully regular immigrant status for 10-years
at the earliest. People will have to pay fines, back taxes and lots of other
things. The fines "fit the crime" so it is not amnesty at all.
I am hoping the house takes up the bill. However interpretations of the voting
rights act that militate for minority majority districts may make that unlikely.
While the people directly affects by this bill are non-citizens and cannot vote,
their family members are heavily concentrated in certain districts, which makes
it easy for some congress people to ignore the bill.I hope the house
passes the bill. I am not sure if that is really likely though. I am not sure
what sort of more stringent language they could put in a bill. I hope they do
something, but have my doubts, with fire eaters like Chaffetz having replaced
compromise supporters like Cannon.I hope the house can find a way to
compromise, but I have my doubts.
hatch is the teddy kennedy of the Republican Party. never was a conservative and
doesn't care because he'll be 100 when he leaves office and won't
live through the mess he has created. recall..........
A look at the immigration overhaul bill now before the Senate, as amended to
include new provisions on border security the Senate agreed to Wednesday.BORDER SECURITY—The bill sets out a series of
requirements that must be achieved over 10 years before anyone here illegally
can obtain a permanent resident green card. These include:Roughly
doubling the number of Border Patrol agents.Completing 700 miles of
pedestrian fencing along the border, Installing a host of new
security measures and technologies along the border.Implementing a
system for all employers to verify electronically their workers' legal
status.Setting up a new electronic system to track people leaving
the nation's airports and seaports.
Bro Joseph: if someone broke into your house and stole your property, would you
say he was just trying to improve his life, so it was OK? And do you to believe
in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law?Three cheers for
Senator Lee, and zero cheers for those who voted for Senator Hatch.
Senator Hatch said "the bill is far from perfect" but he voted for it
anyway. In a nutshell, that's the problem with DC and that's why the
country is in such a mess. "A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump."
Thank you, Senator Lee for once again having the common sense to understand that
a bad bill is just that.... A Bad Bill.
Bro Joseph.....I don't remember the part where the Mormons who arrived here
were commuting fraud and stealing identities and trying to move ahead of others
who followed the law and came here legally......to those who have followed the
law and enjoy their earned citizenship, Mr. Lee is a Good Samaritan!
Mike Lee can't get along with anyone. He had a chance to have some
influence on this and he walked away. It was going to happen, and he took his
ball home like a petulant, spoiled child. He has not learned that the
legislative process is not about having all or nothing. That's the way it
has worked since the beginning of time, except in totalitarian regimes. Lee is
ill-suited to serve in any legislative body. If one thing has been revealed in
the past couple of years, the far right wing does not believe in democracy, the
will of the people, nor in the Constitution.
I suggest anyone who would deny another person who is seeking a better life or a
better opportunity would be the same ones who would have stripped and beaten the
man the Good Samaritan sought to heal and assist. Joseph Smith sought redress
from fellow Americans who persecuted his followers to the point they had to flee
to Indian Teritory-beyond the borders of Missouri-Many of those followers came
from distant countries and nations seeking religious and financial opportunity
with the nedd or requirement of passport or papers. Mr Lee is advocating
brotherly disharmony and separation of which the Lord warned against..Love your
neighbour. maybe he needs to ask "who is my neighbor?"
Write a report on securing the border, and interior enforcement, but don't
impliment it. That's what the Senate voted for. It cuts enforcement. When my children are doing their American history, I will tell them
about Senator Hatch and how he voted against Americans. His vote to take money
from social security and medicare to fund this fiasco is a travesty. The bill
also rewards business $5,000 to hire someone who came here illegally, over a
legal American.If they used a persons id, they should be required to
pay them back for their expenses to straighten things out. If they were citizens
the law would force them.
As a Republican, I'm adamantly opposed to this amnesty. Once these illegals
are amnestied and sign up to vote, they will vote at least 3 to 1 for the
Democrats. The Republicans who vote for this are voting for the extinction of
The premise is absurd. Why does the Senate think that rewarding illegal
activity will somehow fix anything? We don't need or want high immigration
levels, and certainly not another round of amnesty.Call me a nativist. Go
ahead. The Supreme Court already called me a bigot this week.
Hatch has heard so many lies told in the Senate that he believes the really big
ones. The existing laws have not been enforced what makes Hatch think that
future laws will be any different. This so called Border enforcement will come
to start with from Janet Napolitano and Brack Obama. Thats going to work. Hah
@Rick2009Utah nearly threw Hatch out lest election, but he spent
millions claiming to be a real conservative, and fooled enough people to win
again. We did get Mike Lee in the Senate, who has proven to be someone who can
be trusted to keep his word.On this vote, Lee saw through the
liberal taking points, and understood what is actually in this 1,200 page pork
laden sham security scheme and instant amnesty. Hatch, however, has not learned
from the prior mistakes when Democrats have promised to secure the border (1986
and 2006) or cut spending several times, in order to sucker Republicans into
voting for a bad bill. The Democrats never keep their word. Fool me once....
but, Orrin, there have been at least 3 or 4 past precedents and you still fell
for it again?Hope fully the House will refuse to do anything on
this. No bill is better than a bad bill!
Hatch is just showing his true colors and you, the people of Utah, keep
re-electing him just like people in AZ keep re-electing McCain. These are two of
the worst senators in there. they aren't really republicans at all. Maybe
it's time to get someone else in that loves their country and the
A company has 100 employees, and decide they need 5 more. . If they choose to
hire five U.S. citizens or if they choose to hire five legal permanent
residents--five legal immigrants--they face a penalty of $25,000 for doing
so--$5,000 apiece right off his bottom line to the IRS. In contrast, if they
decide instead to hire five amnestied individuals, who came here illegally among
those 11 million who are here illegally but granted RPI legalization under the
Gang of 8 bill, the company pays a penalty of zero dollars. In this
instance, who is the company going to hire? This bill creates an enormous
incentive to hire those here illegally, and at the same time it does it by
creating a statutory penalty for hiring U.S. citizens or legal immigrants.
Why does the Senate want to keep American workers unemployed?
If these two were running against each other, my vote would go for Lee, Hatch
has been in way to long.