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Published: Wednesday, June 26 2013 11:15 p.m. MDT

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atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@GodLovetheWord
"Liberal thought police are only happy when we agree totally with the agenda they are fostering. "

As opposed to your side that was only happy when they banned gay marriage by putting it in their state constitutions too? Our side is the one that still argues that your church can do what they want to.

AZKID
Mapleton, UT

Same sex "Marriage" is an issue for those of us who are opposed to it, for one very core, but seldom articulated, reason: It serves to promote a radical agenda that attempts to mainstream homosexuality and everything associated with it.

For those of us who consider the homosexual lifestyle to be morally corrupt and indefensible, its promotion is a threat to the happiness and stability of our families. I do not dispute that homosexuality has biological underpinnings. Nor do I condone violence or overt hatred towards those who consider themselves to be homosexual. I do, however, want it to go back into the closet where it belongs. As things now stand, the radical agenda is being so aggressively promoted, that I fear that impressionable young people will be led to embrace the lifestyle, to the detriment of their ultimate happiness--when they would have otherwise chosen traditional heterosexual marriage and family.

Practicing a homosexual lifestyle is still a choice--underlying tendencies notwithstanding. It is no different from the moral choices that heterosexuals face. They may have tendencies, for example, to want to have illicit extramarital relationships, but make a conscious choice to act otherwise.

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

The refrain that Gay Marriage somehow diminishes Straight Marriage is why conservatives are losing this debate.

Same sex marriages are legal in thirteen States, the District of Columbia, and five Indian tribes. Nobody is going to court saying it has somehow wrecked their opposite sex marriages. You can't spend the better part of the last twenty years predicting the sky is going to fall if we allow Gay Marriage and not have your argument fall flat when it doesn't happen.

The idea that children will be harmed is a risky assertion as well. The same argument was made about interracial marriages. At the end of the day the strongest factors influencing the well-being of children is income not the gender of the parents. Do you favor a constitutional amendment saying only the wealthy may raise a family?

The insistence of these groups in returning to these same discredited arguments only weakens their cause. The real reason is your religious belief. Everyone knows that. You might as well say so.

DC
Alexandria, VA

How about we not let gay marriage define every election for the next decade? Let's move on already.

Candide
Salt Lake City, UT

@AZKID
I do not belong in the closet nor will I deny who I am because of your prejudice. I am a citizen of the United States and have the same rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness that you enjoy. My marriage, now recognized by the Federal government, is no bettor or worse than yours.

Lightening Lad
Austin , TX

I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how same sex marriage harms opposite sex marriage. It's not that I'm a supporter of gay marriage but I just wonder why all the bunkering as if all that's good is now ruined? I don't believe a gay person has any choice in their being gay, nor do I believe government has any business in supporting the discrimination of any group, based on the Christian definition of what is sinful behavior.

Lovedums
Franklin, IN

There seems to be so many comments on here bashing these people for wanting to keep marriage between a man and a woman. To all of you I say RESPECT their viewpoint and try to understand where they are coming from. All of you marriage proponents are just as bad as many who oppose gay marriage because you are irrationally and sanctimoneously declaring that the opinion of gay marriage opponents is invalid, ignorant, and does not matter--all while declaring the proponents of gay marriage have an "enlightened" and more valid opinion. Who are any of you to declare that your OPINION about gay marriage is somehow superior to our opinion about gay marriage? They are both opinions. Proponents are arguing their opinions and taking action, why can't opponents do the same? Proponents have their reasons why they support "marriage equality" and opponents have their reasons whey they support traditional marriage. Why are our opinions less valid than yours? I guarantee that if gay marriage were the norm for thousands of years and then heterosexuals all of the sudden wanted to get married, the gay community would have a similar reaction. Your opinions are no better than ours.

IdahoMother
Grace, ID

I appreciate the complexities that accompany these issues. Arguments can get heated and words misconstrued especially written. While I don't pretend to understand the legalese with navigating the US constitution, I do believe that a group of citizens (LGBT) have been discriminated against according to the Fifth amendment. As far as the institution of marriage, I support fully in marriage being defined as between a man and a woman. No I am not a "same sex" hater. In fact I believe that we are all children of God and should be treated as such. I do see that it is my right and obligation as a mother to teach my children right from wrong and believe deeply that homosexual relationships are against the word of God. I will continue to teach my children this truth while at the same time emphasizing to them that we are all brother and sisters and to treat others respectfully and with civil behavior. But at the same time I expect the same from the LGBT community. You can't force your beliefs onto me just the same as I won't force my beliefs on to you.

BYU Track Star
Los Angeles, CA

Interesting, POTUS is currently in Senegal. The breaking news is B.O. is getting a very public pushback from the President of Senegal and its people. Ironically, Senegal, a nominally Muslim country, has no problem with Polygamy as many village leaders have multiple wives. Prehaps those Americans who are aghast at the concept of legalized same sex marriage decamp to Senegal where Homosexual conduct is illegal and Traditional Marriage including Polygamy is part of the social landscape.

Kings Court
Alpine, UT

Supporters of traditional Southern rights also went on the offense after the Civil War we ended up with Jim Crow laws and lynchings. Going on the offense to deny something to someone never leads to anywhere good.

AZKID
Mapleton, UT

@Candide
I do not wish to deny you of any rights that are historically included in the phrase you are quoting above. I just do not believe that the phrase is as all-encompassing as your agenda would like us to believe. You are engaged in a very perilous social experiment whose consequences are not yet known. I genuinely fear for the stability of my family and society at large if your agenda prevails. Call it prejudice if you will. I just call it good sense.

Nevertheless, I will gladly let you stay out of the closet if you can keep your sexual preference out of the national media and out of the minds of my children. Do we have a deal?

sid 6.7
Holladay, UT

@Conservative and proud:

I am happy you said what you said in your post and I agree, there are going to be some very unhappy people when they stand before the Lord. Shocked and unhappy. Be careful of what path your pride leads you down. You may just end up being one of them.

Doesn't our Lord say pride is what will be the un-doing of man? "Judge Ye Not Lest Ye Be Judged Sayith The Lord".

This is not the return of Sodom and Gomorrah, it is just another small victory in the battle with the Adversary. Today, we are one step closer to all of God's children being treated with respect, love, understanding and all the secular blessings we receive when two people give their hearts and lives to one another in the bond of Marriage. I'll fight the Adversary on the side that fights for protection for all of God's children. Will you?

I think the Lord said "Love My Children As You Would Love Me.".

God Bless us all!

phillyfanatic
LONG BEACH, CA

The decision by SCOTUS did some things but it did not not not tell the 38 states with traditional marriage laws , to change those laws. It applied to SOCAL. It applied not not to the 9th Circuit court. So....for those who want Biblical marriage, the war is on. And if any any Christian voter of the varied denominations vote Dem, they can expect even more attacks on the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 10th amendments. Why people who want our traditional American values, heritage, history and culture plus economic growth would ever vote liberal socialist progressive Dem is beyond me.

goodnight-goodluck
S.L.C., UT

our hearts are filled with sorrow that our fellow citizens will now enjoy the same equal protection under the law as we do. why does that make you sad??

GodLoveTheWord
Vero Beach, FL

@Pendergast

Not at all my friend, just tired of one sided abuse in the form of "bigotry" and "intolerance". I just wish both sides could give each other the freedom to disagree without bringing a call to arms. A gentle reminder: people like myself who believe in J.C. are without a doubt, attacked more on these comment boards than any other group. I "accept" Jesus Christ...therefore there is no acceptance issue on my part.

Regards

kiapolo
Washington, DC

@ GodLoveTheWord - I do not care who you believe in, nor would I ever vote to pass a law taking away your right to believe in whomever you'd like. That said, for things to be fair, you can't realistically argue that a law should be passed telling others what to believe regarding sexual orientation or what is "right" for the definition of marriage... The ruling that was passed does not dictate against your views of what constitutes a marriage, and has ZERO impact on your ability to continue in your beliefs. If the opposite ruling were to have been made, then those individuals who have different beliefs from yours would have not been legally able to practice what they believe to be "right", and would therefore be discriminated against. Does this help you comprehend the message any better?

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

Douglas Laycock, a leading supporter of religious freedom who also supports same-sex marriage, acknowledges that the way the current laws on same-sex marriage have been written is deeply troubling for religious freedom. The failure of the laws to proactively recognize the conscience rights of individuals to not participate in ceremonies they morally object to is disturbing.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

Marriage must be in the form of a man/woman institution, a form that produces children, to have its traditional effects. If you change its legal form you change its basic meaning. Those who act like its legal definitions can be changed without changing its meaning do not understand how the power of the legal form of marriage works.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

The legally team supporting Prop 8 did not let it die on a technicality. They were ruled to not be representatives of California with standing to challenge the suit. The only way they could have changed that outcome was one of them getting elected as Attorney General.

Marriage needs to be in the form of man/woman so it has the form of child rearing. The point of marriage is to make as much production of children as possible within a stable relationship. Since homosexual relationships do not produce children the state has no interest in regulating them.

Bob K
porland, OR

"Traditional Marriage" is a term coined to make same sex marriage sound bad.
If you look at the States where same sex marriage is allowed, NOTHING BAD HAS HAPPENED.

The REAL REASON FOR THE OPPOSITION: some churches are afraid that their OWN kids will grow up Gay and want to marry. If the church is based on marriage and procreation, like the lds or catholics, they have no way to fit this in.

I believe it is a sin against God to go tell other people, especially in another State, how they should live, and to try to push them to follow your views.

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