This is interesting but still old news. On average, PG and PG13 movies have
grossed more (and a lot more) per movie than R rated movies have for as long as
the current rating system has been in place. What is most curious about this is
that there still seem to be people genuinely perplexed as to why Hollywood
insists on making as many R rated films as they do. It isn't that difficult
to understand. By and large, movies are made by people who are morally vapid so
of course their movies reflect that. And of course, there is also the
all-powerful human ego to factor in. No one is going to tell these producers
that they have to censor something even though it might make financial, or
heaven forbid...moral sense... to do so. Their main argument? To censor would
make the film less realistic. PLEASE!!! (How many sex scenes in movies are
between two elderly people...overweight people... unattractive people in
what WOULD be surprising is if Hollywood took responsibility for their own lame
content instead of blaming internet pirates for lackluster sales
Hollywood liberals are why no one wants to go to the movies.........every film
has an undying subliminal message.....global warming, gay marriage, abortion,
fracking, vote Obama, support communism.......sick of the church of Hollywood
shoving its religion down our throats.......Couldn't pay me to watch
a movie these days.....and I used to go every week sometimes twice....now I
haven't been in years, they all stink!
It would be nice if Hollywood produced something that I would willingly pay
money for. Even many PG-13 films are nothing but glorified trash with soft core
porn in it. Hollywood has its own agenda: promote immorality. Sex sells.
I hope Hollywood goes broke.They are doing their best to flood the
earth with smut.
I too am sick of the church of Hollywood.With social media it is so easy
to borrow a movie from a friend and watch it without giving Hollywood any
money.I just set up a Facebook group, invited friends to join and on a
Friday night when I want to watch a movie I just post to the group and ask if
any body has Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. I don't even have to
subscribe to Net Flicks.Don't forget to rewind those DVDs.
This simplifies the issue too much. Another problem in Hollywood is that they
make these action movies with $200 million dollar budgets and then lose big if
the movie doesn't do well at the box office. The best returns on movies
are low budget productions with high quality stories, directing, and acting. A
movie that cost $3 million to make and then takes in $80 million at the box
office is far more profitable than one that cost $200 million to make and then
took in $250 million at the box office. Hollywood simply relies on big budget
sequels. A better way to look at the results is to average production and
distribution costs of making R-rated and PG-13 movies and then look at how much
money the movie made and compare those stats in each rating category. Just
lumping movies together in ratings categories to see how much money the average
movie made tells you absolutely nothing.
I agree with the basic leaning of this article--I too, would like to see fewer
releases of R-rated movies and more of PG13 movies. However, the statistics
cited are all about gross revenues, not net profits. The writer admits that
R-rated films are cheaper to produce. And many R-rated movies are quirky, ego
trip one-offs produced on low budgets for small-audience film festivals. If we
were to compare say, all the net profits generated by all 2012 R-rated movies
costing $20 to $40 million to produce vs. all the net profits generated by PG13
movies in the same production cost range, would the PG13 movies still average
higher net profits? From this article, we have no way of knowing. While
Hollywood has plenty of artistic devotees, the film industry remains most
devoted to the bottom line. If R-rated movies always generated smaller net
profits (not just lower gross revenue), they wouldn't keep producing them.
Ratings have little to do with it. For the most part, Hollywood is just not
making movies that people really want to see. R-rated films can make money, but
most are over the top.
Exciting news! My husband and I are parents of five awesome children ages 13 to
32, and we have three awesome grand children. I am a "G" rated Mom. Some
of my family does watch PG, which I do not encourage. Family Feature Films are
brilliant to "Clean Up" other's movies and make them viewable. The
NEST series is great too. They have the Animated hero classics, New and Old
Testament,Modern Prophets, and the Book of Mormon. SO... keep the films
"G" so everyone can watch. Family rated movies is proven in the film
industry to make more money, G rated makes the world HAPPY, they educate and
uplifts the people. We need more happiness in the world. I recently
graduated with my B.S. in Elementary Education, I plan only viewing "G"
rated at school too!!! Thank you for all the great movies out there. I love the
movies that our church: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
produce...they are the best!!
As the immortal Lou Holtz once said "Never tell anyone your problems. 20%
don't care and the other 80% are glad you're having them".
That's because most of what comes out of Hollywood is stupid! It has no
substance. We have more intelligence than they give us credit for. They have
lost the ability to write good movie screenplays. There are no more Carey Grants
or Charleton Hestons or Myrna Loys; Hollywood has lost the greats.
"There's a lot that today's PG-13 movies can get away with, but
filmmakers may feel (an R rating) lets them tell their story more realistically
and with more personality."It leaves me wondering if an R film
represents a weak mind trying to express itself forcefully.However,
the inability of screenwriters and producers to tell a compelling story within
the strictures of a PG rating is just one symptom of an underlying lack of
talent. I can't say that I'm impressed with most recent Hollywood
films in the other ratings category.
I find it interesting that PG-13 movies make so much money seeing how they are
the least creative out of any film that you can find in theaters. They are all
mindless superhero/action movie sequels that rely on special effects instead of
good acting, cinematography, storytelling and so on.
PG-13 action movies make so mcuh money because they are aimed at teen boys - who
like to go to the movies.I think a lot of the reason Hollywood is
losing money at the theater is because everyone knows the movie will be out on
DVD and Video on Demand within 6 months. It takes something special for me to
hand ove $10+ per person to see a movie that I'll soon be able to watch for
$4 for a room full of people. The only ones we see at the theater
are the ones that will be better on a big screen - like The Avengers (another
reason PG13 movies are the most seen)
There are very few films worth going to. Sex, violence, crude stuff. It
doesn't surprise me. I certainly don't waste my money on them.
While it may be true that R-rated films have more on the bottom line, the
artistic folk in Hollywood are not always about money. They often are about
getting noticed and known for their abilities. What still is fact, is that more
people are viewing the movies that are PG-13, PG, and G. Financially speaking,
if I knew that I could draw in over a billion dollars in ticket sales by keeping
it PG-13 or better, business sense would tell me to increase the profit margin
while producing a quality film. Also, the ticket sales don't factor in to
account post film merchandise. i.e. Star Wars apparel and toys are still being
sold from movies that were made 30 years ago. Also, facts like this
show us how media truly is much more perverted than the majority of the
population. Hollywood makes smutty movies and tv shows, but the majority go to
see less smut. In a way, definitely gives hope in humanity a bit.
Most stuff that comes out of Hollywood these days is predictable, familiar,
violent, sexual, stereotyped garbage. Once in a while you will get a decent film
- such as the recent Wizard of Oz - but they are few and far between. Hollywood
gives the public what they want - right? So whose fault is the sharp decline in
Hollywood is more concerned with breaking moral boundaries than it is with
providing the mainstream public with the type of entertainment the majority will
Steven Spielberg and George Lucas recently spoke to a group of USC film students
and said a few surprising things.First, that the Hollywood industry
is less and less willing to take risk with original, creative film projects. Second, because some films which the Hollywood industry thought would be
money makers, but ended up being total flops, movie ticket prices may be going
up very high. A $7.00 ticket today may by $20, $25 or possibly even $50 a year
from now.Third, that Spielbergs film "Lincoln" on;y made it
to theaters because Spielberg owned part of his production company. Had another
film maker directed it, it would have priemered on the History Channel, as
Hollywood would not risk a period film going against the recycled super hero
movies which come out every year.My wife and I don't really go
to movies in theaters anymore. If there's something we really want to see,
we generally just wait until its avialable on DVD or streaming.
I guess this IS a place where we can have a voice since we don't have one
with the Supreme COurt these days. If we quit going to see their smut they will
eventually have to start making something clean and worth watching.I have
not been to a movie in years because of a personal revolt against Hollywood.
Let them go broke. Nobody will miss the smut and maybe we can start to put this
country back on a moral track
Last Sunday I went to see a movie. Admission was $10.25. You could buy a
ticket online and pay an extra $1.50, but then you had to pick up your ticket at
a special kiosk in the lobby. The line for the kiosk was 3 times longer than
the line to buy tickets. Parking was $8 with the theater discount, normally
$20. The concession stand offered a special: two large drinks and one large
popcorn for $19.50. For some odd reason they posted the calorie contents of
everything, and that popcorn-and-drinks special had a staggering 3110 calories.
Show was supposed to start at 1:20pm but it actually started at 1:38pm because
of all the previews. They showed an endless number of previews and then showed
a message that said, "This next preview has been approved to be shown with
the feature movie you are seeing." This means they get to show you even
more previews. I rarely go to movies any more, and I don't bother watching
R-rated movies. I have a moral objection to being entertained by human
suffering, even when it's fictitious and it's the bad guys getting
what i hear from members 'well it is only r because some just cannot handle
the language, skin and violence but i can handle it. really isn't that bad
. ' i respond with 'pres hinckley asked members to stand for right,
see movies that are redeeming , listen to music which uplifts and is good.'
then i get their own version of the churches standards which is sad. i was
taught to 'listen to the prophet he knows the way' and that was before
the primary song was written. as members we NEED to stand up for right and good
Valjean:A faithful adaptation of the Bible would probably be NC-17.
The Book of Mormon is also a pretty bloody book. I guess they were both created
by "weak minds."Or maybe art is supposed to be a reflection
of life, and life isn't always PG or "family friendly." Sometimes
life is sexual, sometimes it's violent, and often it has "mature
themes." Why can't there be movies that reflect this? Not every
movie, of course, but perhaps some?And the claim that there are
"no good movies out there" is just laziness. Thanks to the Internet,
DVD, and cable TV, it's never been easier for anybody to find something
that they'd like to watch. Do the research, see if it'd be suitable
for you and your family, and enjoy. It's really sad to watch such a prize
art form as film being thrown under the bus just so people can feel indignant
and then pat themselves on the back for being so morally superior to those
heathens in Hollywood. All I can say is that you're missing out...
When I was a kid, my parents seldom went to the movies without us children.
Therefore, if there had been ratings back then, my parents wouldn't have
viewed a single R rated movie and probably not too many PG13 movies either. Today, my family is my first priority and if the movie makers want me to
view their movies, they had better be suitable for children as well. I
don't want to hear F bombs. I don't want to know what somebody was
doing in the bedroom. I don't want to see 30 people killed in the first
five minutes. I do want good music, clean humor, and family values. I would
easily double my budget for movies if there were more movies worth seeing. Even
with my kids now mostly grown, I want to see entertainment that is clean,
amusing and meaningful. Hollywood should clean up their act. They
may not want their movies to be censored, but in the end, every movie goer
censors what they watch. Many of us won't buy a ticket to see overdone sex,
violence, and profanity.
Let's see. Movies that are made to make $$ and for a wider audience tend to
get a larger audience and makes more $$; while movies made for a limited
audience and perhaps not just to make money tend to have a smaller audience and
make less $$.Quick, tell Hollywood!!
Lets call it like it is. If the only head-scratching disconnect you see here is
a defunct business model you need to open your eyes. There is a major morality
disconnect between the Hollywood crowd and the rest of America. And the fact
is, like the left media, out-of-touch, self-absorbed Hollywierd prizes shaping
moral opinion and peddling their debase value system far more than any business
model that makes sense, or money. And alas we see, the dog eating it's own
tail. And like the Emperor's new clothes, Not until we realize
that this community made up of purveyors of R-rated filth ONLY exists because WE
uphold them, will we make progress. People, stop paying your Taxes
to Hollywierd at the box office all together, and their microphone gets yanked.
Its that simple.
I recommend reading a book "Hollywood vs America", which was recommend
by President Hinckley in one of his books. I stopped watching R rated fiction
movies when I returned to the church a year ago. Big turnaround on the way I
Fortunately Hollywood is not the only source of movies. English language movies
are made throughout the 'Anglosphere' and NON-Hollywood movies made in
the USA.I don't think the 'R' rating is the only
thing to avoid though. I recall "Saving Private Ryan'- rated
'R' because it showed the true horror of war although it had no
'smut', perversion, or anything usually associated with R ratings.
War movies in which no one bleeds may have a worse overall effect on
impressionable minds which need to know that war is hell and should be avoided
where possible.I have seen G rated movies that have been innocent,
like Mr Bean's Holiday, or uplifting like Narnia. Yet one of the most
repulsive movies I can recall was the "Princess Diaries" a Disney movie
which centered on a nasty, arrogant, self centered girl and presented her High
School, in once scene, as a place wher the boys and girls were all necking with
one another. What's the redeeming message? Many Disney movies are
charming but often have bad messages.
Hollywood cinema not only dug a hole for itself - but drowned itself in its own
@ KJB1,While the Bible and Book of Mormon may have violence, sex,
and terrible people in them, the overall message of the books is one of peace,
love, justice, charity, etc. Most R rated movies are rated that way
because their message is the opposite. Of course there are always exceptions,
(war movies) but overall I agree with Valjean. Any idiot can make a
movie that has vulgarity, unneccessary violence, porn etc.it takes real
talent to make comedy without vulgarity (I.E. Bill Cosby and Ellen)
Folks, You vote with your wallet.Hollywood is a business, If
you don't like, don't see it.Meanwhile -- all the
"dirty movies" have moved to the internet.Ironically, Utah
leads the nation with that one too.
I can't believe the DN has another Blame Hollywood for failing morals in
America article. Snicker!?TO LDS Liberal 6/29Thanks for
the rational, succinct, and common sense post approach to a bunch of drivel.Me? I love big budget action movies. Its escapism. You can't beat a
Bruce Willis movie IMO.One of the better movies this year on all
levels was "Now you see me". Oz, though, was disappointing.
To Tyler RayYou forgot to add the Koran to your list of religious
texts where the end justifies the mean? "it takes real talent to
make comedy without vulgarity (I.E. Bill Cosby and Ellen)"You
left out Groucho Marx & Monty Python.
It looks like the law of supply and demand are working well. When Hollywood
produces films that are worth watching a paying for, consumers respond by buying
their product. When they produce products that do not meet their
consumers' needs, they go elsewhere or in this case to other things with
their time and money.Artistic freedom is important, but artists who
do not meet their consumers needs, starve.
Liberals love to push filth and violence in their quest to destroy the family
and the American culture in general. They refuse to accept the results of such
films that impact us every day. Profanity is not artistic. Crude stories are
not artistic. Hollywood lacks the ethics and talent to produce quality
entertainment. They do love the Obama fantasy they see every day on TV. Too
bad they do not have equal regard for our country.
Maybe one of the reasons, besides those mentioned above, that movies cost so
much to produce and therefore go into the red could be the salaries paid to the
"stars". Maybe someone will come up with the idea that the actors get
scale plus a percentage of the profit. I wonder how many are that
secure in their box office draw or talent as an actor?It is all
about the art isn't it?
This article is quite funny. The headline leaves you to believe Hollywood is
losing money on R-Rated movies. The article doesn't back that up. It just
says they tend to gross less at the box office. This is not a surprise when you
restrict the audience. At no point does the article say they're not still
making enormous profits off of the movies.
@Patriot, I think you are confusing the recycled risk-adverse stuff
Hollywood puts out versus the smut that it put out by the porn industry in
L.A's San Fernanado Valley. The Valley's Smut business is a $10
Billion per year enterprise.Saw two PG-13 Movies this weekend.
Friday night, was a low budget charmer, "Much Ado About Nothing". The
dialog was sparkling. There were no car chases, Bad language, nor violence.
Who is this Bill Shakespeare cat? Hope he puts out more films soon. The Second
one started with another delighful short "Umbrellas" , The feature film,
Monster's U, will probably make Disney a ton of money. While this film
didn't paticularly tickle my fancy- waiting around to the end of the
credits to see the Easter Egg made my the evening fun afterall.
When Hollywood produces a product worth viewing and the actors shut their months
about political views, I'll start buying their product again!
Sorry, you're all wrong. Hollywood is hurting because they used to rely on
DVD sales to supplement box office revenues, and those have essentially tanked.
The newest revenue stream is foreign sales. But foreign markets like crappy
action films--the more 'splosions the better. So Hollywood is becoming
more and more risk-averse, making more and more dumb movies, chasing foreign
sales. And turning off a higher and higher percentage of their domestic
markets. Hard to see how this plays out in the future. You can only make so
many superhero movies.
I love rated R movies because I usually don't have to put up with chatty
children, and crying baby's, oh and I'm an adult who doesn't
think that hollywood should cow tail to the religious crowd and make every film
sterilized for 8 years olds. Last film I walked out of was "passion of the
christ" nothing but a 2 hour snuff film of another Mel Gibson dream.
Hollywood is in the hole because of the poor quality of the films and also
internet pirating. Saying that "R" movies are losing Hollywood money is
totally false. Films like "The Hangover" and "Django Unchained"
are two examples of the many that profit far more than they cost. Plus two of of the biggest flops of the last couple of years have been PG and
PG-13 rated movies, "John Carter" and "Jack the Giant Slayer."
If Hollywood would produce films for less and make them better with better
stories and character development, their profits would increase. But sadly
Hollywood produces a ton of watered down tripe like remakes and reboots, and
films with endless CGI. To debunk the claim that Hollywood is losing
money because of sex and violence just look at the successful television series,
"Game of Thrones." If it weren't for internet pirating, that show
would be taking in even more.
I wonder when Hollywood will get their bailout; for making movies no one wants
to watch. Just like US car makers got their bailout; by making cars no one
wants to buy.Remember the new capitalist system; private profits, and
Movie theatres, especially those in rural areas with few screens hate the
Hollywood business machine. Theatres make money mostly on concessions and very
little on the ticket price. Most of the ticket price goes directly to HW. But
HW dictates what shows must be shown and one or two screen theatre get tied up
with low grossing R films that don't fill the theatre and sell tickets or
concessions. It sounds to me that it is time for alternative film centers to
compete with HW and create products people want to see. I
don't see many films anymore because there is often a gulf between my
morals and HW. Sometimes it is a story that doesn't interest me or a lame
production. When I do see a film it is usually on DVD so that I can easily turn
off the film.I'd sure like to see HW acting talent and
production skill put to use to create productions from middle America.